frd: Besides I think you are taking this too far, I think there was not, is not, nor will there ever be a question if he was a fraud, there are questions if he had some major lapses in his life but not to the degree you are bringing up.. it's simple, there were to many people around him many more people later, it would have been already in the spotlight. The question is if he had signed any agreements, loyalty documents, and so on, which I think would not be a downfall for him, taking into consideration how SB worked, threatning people that they will beat their kids and rape their wives. And it ain't a novelty for most intelligent people, and the only way it concerns todays Poland is the thing I've already said, more fuel to the fire between the parties - when they should focus on building highways..
There does seem to be a lot of questions concerned with if he was a fraud or not, and there are a lot of publications coming out detailing if he was an agent etc. The way I see it that Solidarnosc was restored in later 80s under Mr Walesas leadership. However a closer inspection deems that to be false. It was just technically a different organisation with the same name. Some might say nothing more than a typical communist trick (they did the same to PSL and PPS after the 2nd WW). So after Solidarnosc was recreated the old founders and leaders of the original one had to again apply as new members and they of course were never again allowed back to top. So Mr Walesa had full power, Communism fell down, well kind of but not really communists. The communists were now the only ones with money and the right connections who could buy. They were the only ones after transformation who had money and connections and who could buy back all the re privatised factories, they also took control of the newspapers and all media.
From my understanding of all this people are now saying Walesa was a puppet placed in his role to provide a soft landing by the regime whom knew communism was about to end but wanted to ensure a soft landing. Obviously they still wanted to have their cake and eat it so installed puppets like Kuron, Michnik, Walesa, Mazowiecki who would take over, be the new heroes and not allow very angry people put them into the prisons where they belonged. It actually makes perfect sense that they planted a stupid Muppet and a traitor who was promised a life of money and rewards for taking over the unions and begin making money for the real puppet masters. He seems to be an incredibly inarticulate guy (I’m only going by his interviews and some of the quotes he has come out with ) so I guess he was the perfect candidate.
The funny thing that strikes me is that the greatest enemy to Walsea is himself, if he didn’t pretend to be intellectual and wise he would be remembered fondly and remain unquestioned. The very fact that he continuously comes across as a complete fool whilst pretending to be some sort of gift from God pisses people off and makes them wonder about and question his past. Didn’t I read something about stealing documents that proved he was a traitor? Personally I think in light of all the allegations about him he should be investigated thoroughly, and either prosecuted or left alone.
As for the building of new highways, Poland joined the EU too late. . all the highways went to Spain :)))
frd: Generations which Walesa represented are dieing out, so I don't know who are you actually talking about. You can't say people and refer to all the people - just because of that - the difference between those who were touched by this very period of time and those were born in between or after, and have no real connections to it - connections which would make them feel offended by the presence of Walesa on the pedestal of this country's heroes - if there were any stains in his biography...
Any public who has a hero, one who has received a noble prize and so many awards internationally would be angry and disappointed if they fell from their throne. When I wrote about generations, I meant that once Walesa's generation passes so too will much of the controversy and debates about the communist era. . Human nature, but his generation are very much alive today, as is this guy Walesa and his frequent travels as an ambassador for Poland.
frd: I also think that he was accused so many times, of different things, that it doesn't surprise, his words about leaving the country. You are asking for resons for people to discredit him, well if you're a great, well known person and a president you can't satisfy everyone - one of the golden rules of politics - he had his political decisions and now he's got enemies, simple as that. Especially in right wing parties.
Perhaps, if I was innocent and continuously persecuted I would probably have moved to Mexico years ago :) Having said that, I also know my intellectual limits and if my IQ was as seemingly low as his I would keep my mouth shut, permanently.
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