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dagenhamdave   Dec 6, 09, 21:12 /  #
If I didn't get my money, the school owners would rue the f***ing day they ever set eyes on me. The schools have "got it good" for as long as you lot allow yourselves to get crapped on by them. Grow a pair, would ya?
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dagenhamdave:
Grow a pair, would ya?

So what would you suggest the teachers do? Go to court, pay bucket loads for a court verdict that would never be in their favour? Or would you go marching in there and burn the place down! ha.
As you said you were teaching 15 years ago, time have changed dude.
So bright spark, what do you suggest?
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Very true! 15 years ago is not now and people depend on their wages for their livelihood, funnily enough.

I was firm in one of my dealings and I got my way. I was also very firm in standing my ground in another case so the balls are very much there.
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Oops, I am really surprised to learn about your bad experiences with private school owners. I didn`t realise such things happen to English teachers in Poland. I have been working as a teacher since 1991, either state, private or free-lance positions, but never had any problems with payment.
I am really sorry. I have no idea what advice I could give you.
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I have no such problems as I got it sorted out very clearly. You have to be forthright and just demand the enforcement of the contract.
dagenhamdave   Dec 6, 09, 23:15 /  #
Livelihood? 2000zl a month plus free ****** flat if you're lucky? LMFAO. If you ever make it out of there, you'll look back one day and really laugh.

And no, you haven't got a pair. In fact, you haven't got a single one between you.
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dagenhamdave:
And no, you haven't got a pair. In fact, you haven't got a single one between you.

It funny cos you said grow a pair, which would imply that you had none before.

2000pln a month?? what u talking about?
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I got 6000PLN a month before the crisis so he is speaking out of his arse. I still get over 4k now and my wife works so it's enough. We eat a lot of staples (that's food btw, dag) so save a fair bit.

He's full of it, Davey. He just wants a rise out of us. If Poles can live off of standard wage then so can I.

We don't even know the guy so just brush him off.
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Auck a ken, but im in the mood to have a little laugh ;)

On another note, you dont know any Swedish folk or people who can speak Swedish?
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Seanus:
I got 6000PLN a month before the crisis

Do you include summer months too? Forgive me my enquiry, not that I am curious about your annual earnings, not at all, but I just would like to learn the counting technique of a Westerner. I know they prefer to present their annual salary than a monthly one. When in US, all Wanted offers mentioned yearly salary, e.g., 20K. That is still unusual in Poland.
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pawian:
Do you include summer months too? Forgive me my enquiry, not that I am curious about your annual earnings, not at all, but I just would like to learn the counting technique of a Westerner.

I have been lucky that the schools I worked at have been open all year round so wages were constant. But if the school did close over the summer months I would be looking to be paid extra to cover the expenses over those months.
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No, the summer months weren't as fruitful, pawian. Still, I worked steadily over the summer and did well enough. That's the point, to have enough.

Davey, not personally, no.
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You know, just as an after thought. Wouldn't it be a good idea for there to be some kind of Teaching union?
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A teaching union in Poland? They have agencies which just draw their salaries without really doing anything. They are blind and I know this as they haven't taken any action against improprieties. I'd have no faith in others representing my interests here. I'll take a leaf out of delph's book and fight my own corner and educate myself.
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Thats the point, me, you and delph can look after ourselves after being there and done it. But I was thinking more for those who are just starting ect.

But maybe your right, you just have to learn from ur mistakes and make sure it doesnt happen again.
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You said it yourself, Davey. Courts here don't need any more vexatious litigation and we are small fry in their eyes. Unions would go down the same road as most others have, they'd serve their own agenda and profit in their own way. It's very rare to encounter bona fide bodies these days.
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dtaylor5632:
Thats the point, me, you and delph can look after ourselves after being there and done it. But I was thinking more for those who are just starting ect.

I'm hoping to launch something that might address some of these issues - think of it as being professional management for teachers. My feeling is that if teachers (especially new and Polish ones) have someone to fight their side, schools may be much less willing to actually attempt half of the stunts that they do. The idea is to make sure that people have someone behind them to fight their side if needs be - especially when it comes to being paid.

The one big problem is that the industry is very short-termist, after all, why do you rarely see older people in language schols teaching?
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They tend not to take them on as older folk have been around the block and stick up for themselves more.
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