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celinskiThreads: 83
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  Feb 19, 08, 10:09 /  #
One common military, stonger than NATO.


Polish MEP for Euro army

Jacek Saryusz-Wolski, chairman of the foreign relations committee of
the European Parliament is in favor of establishing one common EU
military force.

The Polish MEP said this would enable, for instance, intervention of
units from Union countries in conflict situations in which NATO
cannot or does not want to engage its forces.

The idea of creating EU units has been presented by the party of
French president Sarkozy. Poland could contribute 10 thousand troops
to this European contingent. Jacek Saryusz-Wolski reminded Poland
should feel an obligation towards this initiative, being part of the
G-6 group of the biggest countries of the Old Continent and a country
with long experience in combat missions, including Iraq.


http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul76119_Polish_MEP_for_ Euro_army.html

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2
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  Feb 19, 08, 11:47 /  #
Lech Kaczynski was for this too IIRC

ups/downs
+ Europe can stand on its own feet

- what is this Europe: Greater Germania perhaps ? I dont want to belong to that Europe
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  Feb 19, 08, 12:56 /  #
celinski wrote:
intervention of
units from Union countries in conflict situations in which NATO
cannot or does not want to engage its forces.


This is the part I found most interesting.
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  Feb 19, 08, 14:23 /  #
is a bad bad idea imo based on the answer to the simple question of who would have control over this military. it becomes an even worse idea when one ponders as to whether or not this military could become involved in the internal affairs of various member states. and lastly the existence of Kosovo only brings the greater problems to the table.
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  Feb 19, 08, 14:26 /  #
celinski wrote:
EU
military force.


Funny...
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Edited by: joepilsudski   Feb 19, 08, 14:59 /  #
celinski wrote:

intervention of units from Union countries in conflict situations in which NATO
cannot or does not want to engage its forces.


Well, then, what would NATO be used for?...would they become, like the US military, a 'private police force' for global bankers & their gangster allies, but operating outside of Europe?...and what would be the purpose for this new EU force?...acting as 'cleanup men' in areas like the Balkans?
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  Feb 19, 08, 15:02 /  #
joepilsudski wrote:
NATO


I thought NATO were peace keepers?
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  Feb 19, 08, 17:16 /  #
celinski wrote:

I thought NATO were peace keepers?

you're thinking UN.. but then isn't that what military is for in a CIVILIZED world? lol
celinski wrote:

This is the part I found most interesting.
i didn't find it interesting the same way but interesting none the less.. this means that each country would still retain it's military so the EU force is just for conquest or to keep the cowboys and the bears in check. :)
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  Feb 19, 08, 17:29 /  #
celinski wrote:
Polish MEP for Euro army


Only about eight years out of date. What happened to the ERRF: EU Rapid Reaction Force ?
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  Feb 19, 08, 18:28 /  #
Wroclaw wrote:
EU Rapid Reaction Force



Was that the same? I never heard of it.
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  Feb 19, 08, 18:39 /  #
celinski wrote:
Was that the same? I never heard of it.


I don't think it's the same, and that makes me curious.
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Edited by: Dice   Feb 19, 08, 22:16 /  #
celinski wrote:
One common military, stonger than NATO

Fantastic. Now please hurry up and take over the Serb-Kosovo border before another genocide happens. Good luck. You're gonna need it.
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  Feb 20, 08, 06:38 /  #
Wroclaw wrote:
Only about eight years out of date. What happened to the ERRF: EU Rapid Reaction Force ?

Itys still here,apparently its Britains turn to head it at the min,so when those savages carry on like they have been for the last 2 days its going to be Taffs that end up having to kick serb arse.
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  Feb 20, 08, 19:00 /  #
istahtu said: its going to be 'Taffs'....


What are Taffs? Haven't heard that term before.
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  Feb 21, 08, 10:22 /  #
Foreigner4 wrote:
who would have control over this military.


All routes leads to Brussels, to the bunch of the highest bureaucrats called European Commission. This is common for all bureaucrats, they want to control everything, agriculture, culture, education or media. So why not army?

Foreigner4 wrote:
whether or not this military could become involved in the internal affairs of various member states


Somebody need to pacify revolting provinces when necessary and restore freedom, equality and brotherhood in European nation. :)

Wroclaw wrote:
EU Rapid Reaction Force ?


They are at war... A war against injustice!

URL
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  Feb 21, 08, 12:21 /  #
Lesser is this the link you were referring to. LOL I say keep the "penis". Now this is important. Maybe one for the other arm with a lion showing big boobs and vagina.

lesser wrote:


They are at war... A war against injustice! URL


Sweden's chief heraldists remain dissatisfied with a decision by the Nordic Battlegroup to remove a lion's penis depicted on its coat of arms.


http://www.thelocal.se/10064/20080221/
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  Feb 21, 08, 13:29 /  #
celinski wrote:
I say keep the "penis".


The coat of arms is not really important. Simply woman should be banned from military. Where the hell is this old ethos of man defending woman?? Why in the west everything must be upside down? Probably sending woman division on the first front would the greatest sign of progressiveness according to the warriors of the political correctness.
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  Feb 21, 08, 13:49 /  #
lesser wrote:
woman should be banned from military


All or just pick and choose. I will pretent you never said that.
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  Feb 21, 08, 16:50 /  #
celinski wrote:
The idea of creating EU units has been presented by the party of
French president Sarkozy.



Haha, I wonder what die hard Americans think of this because they all think the french are cowards... and now he's proposing an Army that would rival any in the world...
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  Feb 21, 08, 18:05 /  #
Dzhaklin wrote:
Americans think of this



I think it's about time. There's safety in numbers.
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  Feb 21, 08, 18:55 /  #
Dzhaklin wrote:

Haha, I wonder what die hard Americans think of this because they all think the french are cowards..

really???

Dzhaklin wrote:
now he's proposing an Army that would rival any in the world...

The British Army is the best in the world, if it had the same amount of manpower as say the US nobody could touch it :)
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  Feb 21, 08, 21:04 /  #
False EU Promises for the Balkans

Serbia. Kosovo. Montenegro. Macedonia. The European Union has held out the carrot of membership to all of them. But who in the EU wants to see the bloc get bigger? Hardly anybody.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,536643,00.html
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  Feb 22, 08, 04:09 /  #
celinski wrote:
All or just pick and choose. I will pretent you never said that.


All without exceptions. We should not be ashamed to admit something which is obvious. You could be offended if I would claim otherwise.

celinski wrote:
The idea of creating EU units has been presented by the party of
French president Sarkozy.



Sarkozy is such a person who need from time to time proclaim some great project of pan-European importance. I think this is part of his PR, because this is not the first such initiative from him.
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  Feb 22, 08, 06:19 /  #
lesser wrote:
Simply woman should be banned from military.


Im sure that Romans would have been happy if that had happened, women have been fighting for 100's of years

lesser wrote:
warriors of the political correctness.


Nothing new or policitally correct about women fighting, as stated above its been happening for years, ever heard of a lady called Boudica?
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  Feb 22, 08, 06:32 /  #
lesser wrote:
Simply woman should be banned from military. Where the hell is this old ethos of man defending woman?? Why in the west everything must be upside down? Probably sending woman division on the first front would the greatest sign of progressiveness according to the warriors of the political correctness.



It a good job the women of Warsaw never had that attitude in 1944.
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ShelleyS wrote:
Nothing new or policitally correct about women fighting, as stated above its been happening for years, ever heard of a lady called Boudica?


A queen 2000 years ago? I'm curious whether her army consisted also from women...

Kilkline wrote:
It a good job the women of Warsaw never had that attitude in 1944.


There was more than 4000 woman from AK in Warsaw. Also with all due respect woman in AK served as nurses and couriers. Plus the fact that this was not a conventional army. Beside of that even if all woman of Warsaw would fight with guns it would change nothing.
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  Feb 23, 08, 12:18 /  #
lesser wrote:
Sarkozy is such a person who need from time to time proclaim some great project of pan-European importance. I think this is part of his PR, because this is not the first such initiative from him.


I think Sarkozy's new wife should volunteer for a worthwhile role in this new EU force...maybe she can be involved in the designing of the new uniforms, or something similiar...perhaps she could serve in a humanitarian capacity, maybe as a nurse or physician's assistant...or maybe should could entertain the troops in some way.
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  Feb 23, 08, 12:20 /  #
tornado2007 wrote:
The British Army is the best in the world, if it had the same amount of manpower as say the US nobody could touch it :)


Opinions are just that...opinions. Saying something doesn't make it true.
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Edited by: Crow   Feb 23, 08, 12:24 /  #
common EU military

i`m afraid, very afraid. That could be final nail in the Slavic cooffin

Slavs should pledge to create Slavic security forces
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  Feb 25, 08, 18:14 /  #
Just remember that the EU Parliament are the same who wanted to have Polish schools teach children the joys of homosexuality & 'alternate lifestyles'.

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