European Quality Of Life Index: Poland in the middle

Country 2009

Slovenia 28,524.110
Czech Republic 24,400.497
Slovak Republic 21,373.543
Hungary 18,547.933
Estonia 18,050.563
Poland 17,989.298
Lithuania 15,803.470
Russia 15,039.048
Latvia 14,304.258
Belarus 12,485.652
Bulgaria 11,759.518
Romania 11,755.413
Serbia 10,539.765
Bosnia and Herzegovina 7,489.756
Albania 7,018.736
Ukraine 6,460.737
Moldova 2,766.370

* EU countries

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 12, 09, 11:25 / #
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219743/Britain-worst-place-li ve-Europe-despite-big-pay-packets.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/househ old-bills/6284423/Britain-has-worst-quality-of-life-in-Europe-study-sa ys.html France best, UK worst but Germany and Poland together in the middle..whoa! (We should really merge...) Soon the English will come to Poland for work...ducks (But I had thought Italy or Sweden higher...)

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08	Oct 12, 09, 11:47 / #
Bratwurst Boy: (We should really merge...) Freaky. Bratwurst Boy: Soon the English will come to Poland for work...ducks I dont think so... And then... The best place to live is where there is home. All other statistics dont matter. Plus... wherever you get to have the money...that place can turn into paradise. Ofcourse... too much money might take away peace too.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 972 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Oct 12, 09, 11:51 / #
This is a very weird chart, i mean if you look at the numbers the netherlands scores higher than France, the only area they beat us is life expectancy. Besides average working hours in The Netherlands 30? that's not believable, almost everyone works 40 hours a week.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Edited by: MareGaea Oct 12, 09, 12:00 / #
Hm, the average working week in NL is less than in France? Hell, no way! France is known for having the shortest working week of the entire EU. I think they, for some weird reason have the ATV (Arbeids Tijd Verkorting - lit: Shortening of Working Time) into account, but that is not relevant; the working week in NL is generally 40 hrs and in with deduction of the 12 days (one per month) those ATV days, I come to a average working time of 38,15 hr. So most likely this is some sort of nonsense graph again, not very well researched by some journaille-crap that had nothing better to do but find sensational things. Edit: ah, it's the Daily Mail. Thank God, we don't have to take it too seriously then. >^..^< M-G (average working week in France is 35 hrs at the most)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 12, 09, 12:02 / #
Lodz_The_Boat: The best place to live is where there is home. All other statistics dont matter. Well...how do you explain the millions of immigrants from all over the world to poor little western Europe? Lodz_The_Boat: Plus... wherever you get to have the money...that place can turn into paradise. Isn't that contradicting your earlier statement: Lodz_The_Boat: The best place to live is where there is home. You're doped already at this hour??? ;) MareGaea: Edit: ah, it's the Daily Mail. Thank God, we don't have to take it too seriously then. The Telegraph too...this study isn't made by a paper, they are just writing about it...don't shoot the messenger! :) http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/12/uk-poor-quality-life-survey

dnzThreads: 25 Posts: 804 Joined: Dec 2, 07	Oct 12, 09, 12:04 / #
This really isn't suprising at all really, Nu Labour have ruined the UK and now tony blair will get the opportunity to ruin Europe.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Edited by: MareGaea Oct 12, 09, 12:06 / #
The rest of the numbers (for NL at least) isn't correct either. Laura Clark, the writer of this nonsense, should go do what she does best: give head to anyone who wants, instead of bothering ppl with this nonsense. Bratwurst Boy: don't shoot the messenger! No. I'm just gonna shoot you instead. >^..^< M-G (grumpy)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 12, 09, 12:09 / #
MareGaea: No. I'm just gonna shoot you instead. http://www.uswitch.com/press-room/press-releases/ Shoot them!

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Oct 12, 09, 12:36 / #
No, I will shoot you. >^..^< M-G (grumpy)

jwojcieThreads: 3 Posts: 816 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Oct 12, 09, 12:37 / #
Hm... those numbers just don't add up. I don't understand how it is posible Poland: 1. net household income after taxes = 21331 GBP 2. GDP per head = 6984 GBP Hm... maybe if in the household there are grandparents too ;-)

OsiedleRuda	Oct 12, 09, 12:58 / #
MareGaea: It's clearly some nonsense graph based on nothing; dreamt up figures at best. Everybody knows that France has the shortest working week in Europe. Absolutely. I live in a city where the average wage is about £20000 before tax, and I earn way above that, but I'd say that the majority earn less than £16000 round here. The last figures I read suggested that even in London, the average wage is only about £31000 before tax (and let's face it, even in London, most people earn a lot less - the figures are simply skewed by ridiculously high salaries in the City, which are comparatively few in number) so where on earth do they get figures like this from? And where on earth do all these Polish families live, who have a NET monthly income of around 8000PLN a month??? That would need about four average-wage adults to live in one flat! With Poland having one of the highest unemployment rares in the EU, I find this extremely hard to believe.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Oct 12, 09, 13:10 / #
Well, the UK went beyond the US in terms of earnings last year, http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article313750 6.ece Arguably, the crisis hit the US harder than the UK. Yet again, I bet Europeans think their quality of life is so much better than those in the US. Pointless stats really. Poland ahead of the US, come off it.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Oct 12, 09, 16:27 / #
When did that happen? Wasn't Poland near the bottom of EU? Like 2 from the end of thereabouts?

SteveramsfanThreads: 2 Posts: 401 Joined: Nov 22, 09	Nov 22, 09, 11:12 / #
I want to move to Poland to work and I'm English :) I don't want to live in England ever again, I want to live in Poland but can't get a mortgage. I need an address in Poland to get a mortgage but I need a mortgage to get an address :(

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Oct 12, 09, 12:41 / #
It's clearly some nonsense graph based on nothing; dreamt up figures at best. Everybody knows that France has the shortes working week in Europe. >^..^< M-G (more grumpy)

George8600Threads: 20 Posts: 1,114 Joined: Feb 19, 09	Oct 12, 09, 16:14 / #
Net household income? You mean GDP per Capita? Yea those numbers are WAY off.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Edited by: McCoy Nov 22, 09, 11:23 / #
Country 2009 Slovenia 28,524.110 Czech Republic 24,400.497 Slovak Republic 21,373.543 Hungary 18,547.933 Estonia 18,050.563 Poland 17,989.298 Lithuania 15,803.470 Russia 15,039.048 Latvia 14,304.258 Belarus 12,485.652 Bulgaria 11,759.518 Romania 11,755.413 Serbia 10,539.765 Bosnia and Herzegovina 7,489.756 Albania 7,018.736 Ukraine 6,460.737 Moldova 2,766.370 * EU countries Wasn't Poland near the bottom of EU? Like 2 from the end of thereabouts? we catched up with Hun and Est. Prbably will overtake em in next 2 yrs

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 12:04 / #
It was hardly that hard to catch up with Hungary as they made a hash of the transition from communism to capitalism. It was an unmitigated disaster! Estonia? Well, they are rich in, um, almonds. 'In almonds we trust' is written on a bag I bought in Tallinn. Amber is more to be found in Lithuania and also Latvia. Poland's unemployment rate ranges between 11-14%.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Nov 22, 09, 12:11 / #
If hapiness is measured by vodka consumption Poland is at the top of the list.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 12:16 / #
Standard of living is better, BB. Quality of life, for me personally, is every bit as much a spiritual thing as a material thing. If I have enough to live plus a nest egg, that'll do. My quality of life will be in ensuring that I'm never spiritually bankrupt as so many people are these days.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Edited by: McCoy Nov 22, 09, 12:16 / #
Seanus: Poland's unemployment rate ranges between 11-14%. oh cmon seanus. youve got all the data above. its less than 8%. or maybe you make your own resarch and more reliable statistics. _____________________- keep in mind that before 1989 and right after the collapse of commie block PL was the poorest ex commie country. with lesser gdp than soviet reps such as ukraine, belarus or todays eu outsiders - romania ,bulgaria

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 12:23 / #
GUS put the figure at 10.9% as of Sep 2009 and that had been the case for the previous 3 months. Labour market experts say that it's likely to rise to 12% by the end of the year. In all likelihood, around 11.5%.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 12:24 / #
Poland is second only to Spain in number of holidays per year. That explains why my Polish colleagues always ask if there's a day off work for such-and-such because there is in Poland. No name days either? Tsk tsk! I actually earn less, work more and get less holiday, although I get more sunshine and expect to live longer.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Nov 22, 09, 12:27 / #
ok. different sources different data: http://praca.money.pl/wiadomosci/artykul/eurostat;o;bezrobociu;w;polsc e;8;2;procent,57,0,552505.html Europejski urząd statystyczny podał, że w Polsce stopa bezrobocia w ubiegłym miesiącu wynosiła 8,2 procent. wobec 8,1 procent. w sierpniu. Według metodologii GUS stopa bezrobocia we wrześniu wyniosła 10,9 procent.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 12:34 / #
From Jun-Sep (inc) 2009, it rose by 0.1% each month so, according to that logic, it should be 11.1% at the end of this month. Exactly, McCoy, the sources are misleading. We cannot pretend to know either as neither of us have conducted any empirical research.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Edited by: McCoy Nov 22, 09, 12:37 / #
Seanus: Exactly, McCoy, the sources are misleading. We cannot pretend to know either as neither of us have conducted any empirical research. thank you master yoda. next time ill be much more careful. may the force be with you.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 12:39 / #
LOL, nothing like a bit of humour to take away the mind-numbing nature of stats :)

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Nov 23, 09, 02:05 / #
Steveramsfan: I need an address in Poland to get a mortgage but I need a mortgage to get an address :( Then do what most people would do and rent somewhere! Or register at your girlfriends place.