FEINSTEIN NEW us AMBASSADOR TO POLAND

During the Campaign Obama criticized Bush for appointing allies and fundraisers as Ambassadors. He promised to end the culture of cronyism and appointing Lobbyists in his administration. But, money makes the world go round.

England: Louis Susman, Jewish billionaire, Primary fundraiser for Obama, former Citibank Executive

Germany: Phil Murphy; former Goldman Sachs investment banker, Obama fundraiser

Ireland: Dan Rooney, football team owner, Obama fundraiser

Guy Saperstein dissects Hillary and her foreign policy team. http://www.alternet.org/election08/77691/

1) "It is not clear where Hillary derives the foreign policy "experience" advantage she claims."
2) "Since entering the U.S. Senate, Clinton has been one of the most hawkish of Democrats."
3) The problem of Clinton's poor instincts on foreign policy is compounded by the hawkish foreign policy advisors she has surrounded herself with, the most important of which are Madeleine Albright, Richard Holbrooke, Lee Feinstein and Sandy Berger. Former Secretary of State Albright is the person of whom Colin Powell's chief of staff, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, once said, "She never met a military option she didn't like. When I worked at Defense, she used to scare us." Holbrooke has been described by pundits as, "The raging bull of U.S. diplomacy." Apparently John Bolton types are far from unique to Republicans.

Certainly, if the names of the Middle East advisers Mrs. Clinton has surrounded herself with are any indication, she will continue to position herself solidly in the pro-Israel mainstream of the Democratic foreign policy establishment.

The people she listens to on the topic include Clinton administration veterans like Richard Holbrooke, Martin Indyk and Lee Feinstein who was her national security coordinator during the presidential campaign. All of them blame the Palestinians for the breakdown of the peace talks and argue that the Palestinians need to provide a stronger interlocutor in order for the peace process to go forward. They view Israel as America’s best ally in the region and vigorously defend its right to use force to defend itself.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Jul 19, 09, 11:13 / #
President Obama has nomianted Clinton's foreign-policy adviser Lee Feinstein as the new American ambassador to Poland. The Obama Adminitsration, as some have noted, is largely Jewish dominated. This has also applied to ambassadorial appointments.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Jul 19, 09, 11:34 / #
I'm sure they aren't better or worse because they're Jewish. I'm also sure that the president nominates people who have competence for such jobs. If not, we will notice that soon.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 19, 09, 11:36 / #
I agree, SwedishPole. His being Jewish is merely incidental. Shimon Peres was a Polish Jew, what of it? Does that matter, Pol3?

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Jul 19, 09, 11:37 / #
Does that mean there is not a single Polish American worth nominating to the cabinet? One of Zbigniew Brzeziński's sons, for instance?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jul 19, 09, 11:38 / #
Polonius3: Does that mean there is not a single Polish American worth nominating to the cabinet? Or maybe they just chose the best man for the job.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 19, 09, 11:42 / #
Precisely. Look, if a Polish American had the necessary drive and accompanying skillset, they'd be in the picture too. Brzezinski worked hard to get himself high up. Pol3, how many Poles are in America?

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Jul 19, 09, 12:18 / #
Up to 10 million Polish Americans About six million Jewish Americans.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jul 19, 09, 12:25 / #
Polonius3: Does that mean there is not a single Polish American worth nominating to the cabinet? What does it matter if the ambassador is Polish-American, Jewish-American or an Eskimo-American? He is still a US ambassador and will act on his government instructions no matter what his ethnic background is, so what's the difference?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 19, 09, 12:37 / #
And how many Polish Americans are there legally? ;) ;)

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jul 19, 09, 12:41 / #
Seanus: And how many Polish Americans are there legally? ;) All of them. Polish-American is an American citizen with Polish roots.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Edited by: Grzegorz_ Jul 19, 09, 13:09 / #
There already was a Jew as a US ambassador in Poland and It seemed that he was a really good guy and did a lot to get Poland into NATO.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Jul 19, 09, 13:53 / #
Indeed, Daniel Fried. Was very pro-Polish. Had the good fotrune to meet him.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Jul 19, 09, 16:36 / #
We will see whether he will do his job or will try to pretend to be ambassador of Jews as well. He should be aware that there are some people who will pressure him to act in such bad manner. This is up to him to make them disappointed and act like professional diplomat loyal only to his own country. I don't know the guy, so I cannot say. However from my observations the Jews are one of the biggest nationalists/tribalists around, so I cannot exclude such possibility.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 19, 09, 16:40 / #
In the US such prestigious but quite harmless posts are often given as a reward for support and money during the voting campaign. If you are lucky then the new ambassador speaks the lingua...most often they don't!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 19, 09, 12:59 / #
Good answer. How many Americanised Poles are there? :)

bozenaThreads: - Posts: 5 Joined: Jul 20, 09	Jul 20, 09, 06:20 / #
New American ambassador to Poland Once again Poland gets dumped upon. There will not be a Polish speaking American ambassador to Poland. It will be someone in the American defense department. This is because America doesn't give a damn about Poland, they just want to cause trouble with Russia. Ireland got a Irish American ambassador, why can't Poland get a Polish American ambassador? Couldn't they give it to Brzezinski? Polish Americans should let Obama know they will not be happy about this.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Jul 20, 09, 06:41 / #
It's going to be Lee A. Feinstein. http://poland.usembassy.gov/embassy-events-2009/white-house-confirms-l ee-feinstein-as-the-new-u.s.-ambassador-to-poland-16-july-2009

adrian11224Threads: 9 Posts: 52 Joined: Nov 14, 08	Jul 20, 09, 06:45 / #
You are very right. We should organize a protest and be serious. Were constantly getting stepped on and continue to be non- interfering church going people. I'm sick of it. Please private message me for organization of this movement. If you don't have a green card.. I advise yelling from the back of the crowds. I don't know if you have the permission. Poles need an organization. I'm down to develop one as long as someone starts DONATING!!! People think that the world revolves around church!!! Donation to good people is neccessary!!!! I am outraged!!! Bozena thank you for showing me this. Pozdrowienia z 11224

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Jul 20, 09, 06:47 / #
Before you do that, read this: http://news.poland.com/result/news/id/2773

SRK85Threads: - Posts: 75 Joined: Mar 30, 09	Jul 20, 09, 07:23 / #
I know its shame you would expect an American with Polish heritage, considering America has a lot of people of Polish heritage. I would love to eventually become Ambassador to Poland but to become one you need connections. I guess Feinstein has connections.

adrian11224Threads: 9 Posts: 52 Joined: Nov 14, 08	Jul 20, 09, 07:35 / #
SRK85: I guess Feinstein has connections yeah up his butt. ** Feinstein the USA pisses on Poles no offense. I've been here for 12 *** years and still don't have my green card but my dad does. Some dumb** gorilla threw my application into the trash and went on to stuff his face with a double quaterpounder nocheese extra pickles please with french fries. I want to throw a molotov cocktail at someone. I'm pissed.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole Jul 20, 09, 13:55 / #
SRK85: I know its shame you would expect an American with Polish heritage, considering America has a lot of people of Polish heritage. I would love to eventually become Ambassador to Poland but to become one you need connections. I guess Feinstein has connections. Yeah, he's a well connected, super educated defense department dude. Judging by this nomination, in the future, it's not going to be easy to get this job unless you have major qualifications. This could be precedence setting.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 20, 09, 14:25 / #
Seanus: Precisely. Look, if a Polish American had the necessary drive and accompanying skillset, they'd be in the picture too. Nope, sorry to burst your bubble! But for example as Timken was nominated by the Bushies to become ambassador to Berlin the german TV run a very interesting doku how ambassadors come to be appointed by Washington in the first place... An interesting picture emerged...the more someone spends money to support the voting campaign of the winner/now US president the more he can now demand back. These ambassadors have rarely any diplomatic background at all or are studied diplomats, foreign specialists or whatever, rarely speak any lingua beside english, often just very rich entrepreneurs (if you are lucky they bring with them some business contacts and connections) who are bored and want to try something new. Why not a prestigious but harmless post? Most US-Ambassadors are of that kind...exceptions confirm the rule! PS: If a Pole would had spend millions for Obama and now would show interest he would had had a good chance to get the ambassador post in Warsaw. (Nothing to do with skillset at all...)

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Jul 20, 09, 14:34 / #
I don't think so BB, not in this case, because Feinstein isn't just any nominee. He is far more qualified than some. I don't think he's there just because he bought his way in. Must be some sort of strategic thing in the works.

magdalenaGThreads: 7 Posts: 89 Joined: Apr 10, 09	Jul 20, 09, 14:39 / #
Bratwurst Boy: An interesting picture emerged...the more someone spends money to support the voting campaign of the winner/now US president the more he can now demand back. These ambassadors have rarely any diplomatic background at all or are studied diplomats, foreign specialists or whatever, rarely speak any lingua beside english, often just very rich entrepreneurs (if you are lucky they bring with them some business contacts and connections) who are bored and want to try something new. Why not a prestigious but harmless post? Try googling Victor Ashe ( outgoing ambo) & you'll see what a 'colourful ' character he is ...

bozenaThreads: - Posts: 5 Joined: Jul 20, 09	Jul 21, 09, 04:41 / #
I would take any one of Brzezinski's family for the job instead of this guy, including Mika. To the American military industrial complex Poland is just a base for American soldiers. That's why this defense guy was picked. How about Steve Wozniak, Ed Roski, or Martha Stewart, all billionaire, Polish American, business people. The American hispanic community gets a supreme court judge. What does the Polish community get? Nothing.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jul 21, 09, 08:12 / #
bozena: I would take any one of Brzezinski's family for the job instead of this guy, including Mika. They supported Obama and what Poland gets out of this ? Nothing. Dude would sell us to Russians for a few cents.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 21, 09, 08:20 / #
Grzegorz_: Dude would sell us to Russians for a few cents. true only from Serbians Poles could expect loyalty. Sarmatia is what Poles and Serbs need. It is something like Great Poland. I would personaly suggest compromise- let it be Sarmatian Poland

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Jul 21, 09, 12:42 / #
Bratwurst Boy: In the US such prestigious but quite harmless posts are often given as a reward for support and money during the voting campaign. During the Campaign Obama criticized Bush for appointing allies and fundraisers as Ambassadors. He promised to end the culture of cronyism and appointing Lobbyists in his administration. But, money makes the world go round. England: Louis Susman, Jewish billionaire, Primary fundraiser for Obama, former Citibank Executive Germany: Phil Murphy; former Goldman Sachs investment banker, Obama fundraiser Ireland: Dan Rooney, football team owner, Obama fundraiser http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/05/28/mohamed-khodr-the-three-branc hes-of-the-aipac-the-executive-the-legislative-and-the-judicial/ Guy Saperstein dissects Hillary and her foreign policy team. http://www.alternet.org/election08/77691/ 1) "It is not clear where Hillary derives the foreign policy "experience" advantage she claims." 2) "Since entering the U.S. Senate, Clinton has been one of the most hawkish of Democrats." 3) The problem of Clinton's poor instincts on foreign policy is compounded by the hawkish foreign policy advisors she has surrounded herself with, the most important of which are Madeleine Albright, Richard Holbrooke, Lee Feinstein and Sandy Berger. Former Secretary of State Albright is the person of whom Colin Powell's chief of staff, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, once said, "She never met a military option she didn't like. When I worked at Defense, she used to scare us." Holbrooke has been described by pundits as, "The raging bull of U.S. diplomacy." Apparently John Bolton types are far from unique to Republicans. Certainly, if the names of the Middle East advisers Mrs. Clinton has surrounded herself with are any indication, she will continue to position herself solidly in the pro-Israel mainstream of the Democratic foreign policy establishment. The people she listens to on the topic include Clinton administration veterans like Richard Holbrooke, Martin Indyk and Lee Feinstein who was her national security coordinator during the presidential campaign. All of them blame the Palestinians for the breakdown of the peace talks and argue that the Palestinians need to provide a stronger interlocutor in order for the peace process to go forward. They view Israel as America’s best ally in the region and vigorously defend its right to use force to defend itself. http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/kosher-clinton-how-israel-got-bu ddy-state?page=all AIPAC sent a millitant Zionist? If he starts going on and on about the Holocaust,we will know for sure.

bozenaThreads: - Posts: 5 Joined: Jul 20, 09	Jul 22, 09, 02:39 / #
I've got a good place you can put your missile base, Feinstein. Get rid of that eyesore Auszwitz and put it there.