General George S. Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism

Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph: "Patton was going to resign from the Army. He wanted to go to war with the Russians. The administration thought he was nuts.

"He also knew secrets of the war which would have ruined careers.

I don't think Dwight Eisenhower would ever have been elected president if Patton had lived to say the things he wanted to say." Mr Wilcox added: "I think there's enough evidence here that if I were to go to a grand jury I could probably get an indictment, but perhaps not a conviction."

Charles Province, President of the George S. Patton Historical Society, said he hopes the book will lead to definitive proof of the plot being uncovered. He said: "There were a lot of people who were pretty damn glad that Patton died. He was going to really open the door on a lot of things that they screwed up over there."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/Gen eral-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-all ied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Dec 22, 08, 12:26 / #
This new book brings evidence to light and thoughs of a different outcome had he lived to tell. Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph: "Patton was going to resign from the Army. He wanted to go to war with the Russians. The administration thought he was nuts. "He also knew secrets of the war which would have ruined careers. I don't think Dwight Eisenhower would ever have been elected president if Patton had lived to say the things he wanted to say." Mr Wilcox added: "I think there's enough evidence here that if I were to go to a grand jury I could probably get an indictment, but perhaps not a conviction." Charles Province, President of the George S. Patton Historical Society, said he hopes the book will lead to definitive proof of the plot being uncovered. He said: "There were a lot of people who were pretty damn glad that Patton died. He was going to really open the door on a lot of things that they screwed up over there." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/Gen eral-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-all ied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:07 / #
Patton had to go...He had harsh words for the Communists and Jews, and suggested that the allies take a compassioante attitude toward the Germans.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:18 / #
Famous Quote by Patton: The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:20 / #
He didn't invite the Russians round for 'cha' (tea) then? ;)

nunczkaThreads: 17 Posts: 623 Joined: Sep 13, 08	Dec 22, 08, 13:21 / #
There is no doubt in my mind that Patton had a mental problem. But as to the story listed above.. I for one question it.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:22 / #
One of the things I admire most about Patton: Patton was horrified at what he found when his Third Army liberated Buchenwald concentration camp. Local German citizens claimed that they didn't know what was going on. He ordered American troops to round up the approximately 2000 local Germans and march them through the camps. He wanted them to see the atrocities firsthand.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:26 / #
I agree, Filios. Let those bastards see exactly what harm they were doing.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:35 / #
Seanus: Let those bastards see exactly what harm they were doing. I would have forced some of them to clean the camp up a bit. You know, clean up the ovens and gas chambers. Let them get a closer view. They were so quick to ignore what was going on, but they knew well enough what it was.

loco polacoThreads: 3 Posts: 421 Joined: Aug 5, 08	Dec 22, 08, 13:36 / #
nunczka: There is no doubt in my mind that Patton had a mental problem. tell us more nun.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:40 / #
Oh God! Once again Russians! Your Patton was old idiot, I doubt that he was assassinated, on the contrary, I think that he died because of his brains softening.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:45 / #
Yeah, Filios. They should've been made to take a freezing cold shower and then get a big punch on the face when stepping out. I'd like to look for transcripts of interviews with Nazi officials to see to what extent they believed in their genocidal ways. Were they merely cogs in the wheel or independent agents? I'm no great fan of Jews, tho not anti-Semitic, but I'd've done more were I a major world leader at the time. The killing of innocent people is just not on.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:47 / #
Seanus: Yeah, Filios. They should've been made to take a freezing cold shower and then get a big punch on the face when stepping out. Erm...are you talking about the people living nearby?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:50 / #
No, some of the officers. Aha, I see what you mean now, BB You didn't read one of my posts correctly and I've just done the same with the above. I apologise. I believe we are 1-1, BB. All square?

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:52 / #
Bratwurst Boy: are you talking about the people living nearby? Yeah, sure, why not : ) Whats a cold shower and a punch in the face compared to seeing your children and wife getting gassed?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:51 / #
Square! :)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:54 / #
Filios1: Yeah, sure, why not : ) Whats a cold shower and a punch in the face compared to seeing your children and wife getting gassed? Well...most of those camps were located in the East, outside of Germany...have fun with punching Poles!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 13:54 / #
I wouldn't advocate the attacking of any innocent civilians. What were you taught about Auschwitz in school, BB? I can vividly remember the German students apologising in 2000 when I studied with them. Like they were somehow to blame. How messy!!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 22, 08, 13:56 / #
Seanus: What were you taught about Auschwitz in school, BB? I can vividly remember the German students apologising in 2000 when I studied with them. Like they were somehow to blame. How messy!! Hmmm....I think the same as you? Gas chambers, death camp, selection at the coming in...etc. I always faced one main difficulty....as I with probably the majority of the world population are disgusted by the mass murder of innocent civilians just because they belong to another people I can't find much fault with the mind behind it who (once set to accomplish this task) looks for the most efficient way to do this - in this case developing gas chambers to kill as many people in the shortest way possible. When I encounter discussions about the Holocaust many are still awed about the HOW they were killed, not so much THAT they were killed and that I just don't understand. Must be the German in me...shrugs Sometimes it seems to me that if they had done it the "old fashioned" way with hacking and bullets it would have been somehow more acceptable....I can't find another explanation for this "OH MY GOD YOU GASSED THEM!" scream all the time...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 14:01 / #
Yes, I figured that. With what slant? Condemnatory or with any pride? For example, the Russians portray Stalin's actions in a mixed light. You'd have expected nearly universal castigation. Killings on that scale should be reviled.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 22, 08, 14:03 / #
Seanus: Condemnatory or with any pride? Pride? There isn't any pride to glean from herding helpless civilians like sheeps to their slaughterhouses. I feel pride for our armed forces (most of them that is), for bravery and skill in the field (Demyansk for example) during fighting but not for slaughter....who else would?

nunczkaThreads: 17 Posts: 623 Joined: Sep 13, 08	Dec 22, 08, 14:05 / #
posted. Sorry! Message: loco polaco: nunczka: There is no doubt in my mind that Patton had a mental problem. tell us more nun. Well I read a lot of stories about Patton. He was constantly in trouble with SHAEF, ( Supreme Hdqs. Allied Expeditionary force). #1 He slapped an American Soldier suffering from combat fatigue in Sicily. He was relieved of Command after a huge outcry, and shipped back to England. Later reinstated to command the 3rd Army in France. #2 He was called Blood and Guts Patton for his fast advances. His troops referred to him as his guts and our blood. #3 He antagonized the Russians at the close of the war. He was warned to shut up. #4 After the war, he hired a lot of ex Nazis to repair the German intrafracture, much to the dismay of the Allies. He was removed from the third Army and given a useless job.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 14:05 / #
Fighting for which cause may I ask? The defence of Germany? Oh, there are anti-Semites in the education system who may have supported Hitler's actions. Very sad to say it but it's maybe true.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 22, 08, 14:08 / #
Seanus: Fighting for which cause may I ask? The defence of Germany? Yes, I think most soldier thought they fighted for Germany, against world Bolshewism and a jewish conspiracy. Rarely an army fights for so long and so hard against nearly the whole world without believing in something. Near the end it surely was more for the comrades and the own survival though....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 14:15 / #
Jewish conspiracy? Well, it was only in 1929 that certain Jewish bankers are said to have orchestrated the financial collapse known as the Wall Street Crash. Reliable documentary stations have done many documentaries exposing their shady dealings. This credibility bolsters my support for their averments.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Dec 22, 08, 17:00 / #
Why is this "off topic"? If this has any truth it could have altered the outcome for Poland.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 17:02 / #
The problem is that there is no retrospective analysis and conjectural speculation based on hypothetical ideas thread

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Dec 22, 08, 17:07 / #
Seanus: The problem is that there is no retrospective analysis and conjectural speculation based on hypothetical ideas thread lol like most of the posts?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 17:17 / #
I was thinking that too :)

Wahldo	Edited by: Wahldo Dec 22, 08, 17:18 / #
C'mon, he looks like an easy going dude... Patton didn't like Nazism but he admired the basic German because the day after a shelling they would be out cleaning up and making tentative plans to rebuild. Unlike the Italians, whom Patton thought were lazy.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 22, 08, 17:20 / #
Ronnie Kray looked much the same ;)