THE HOMINTERN IN POLAND?

Polonius3:

When someone is forced to explain to his 5-year-old son why all those funny looking lewdly gyrating, feather, wig and make-up blokes are riding platforms through the streets to the tune of deafening techno rhythms, that is no longer "people's private business" but a public display being forced upon hapless bystanders and residents.

Polonius3:

And why is homophobia worse than Christian-bashing or Christophobia? There is more and more of that around these days. Perhaps the patron of the Homintern is Orwell who once wrote: Everybody is equal except that some are equal than others.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Oct 29, 09, 14:01 / #
Obama has signed into law an anti-hate-crime bill which protect homos and other sexual irregulars as well as cross-gender types, trannies and what not. And since 'co Jankes wymyśli Polak polubi' it probably won't be long before the homintern (pro-homo international) takes over in Poland as well. While everyone should be protected from physically and verbal abuse, it all depends how the term hate crime is defined in practice.We have seen it already used as a tool to suppress freedom of speech. A Catholic adoption agency in Britain was effectively shut down when they refused to place innocent orphans (who have already been through enough) with homo couples. (The average 'stable' same-sex partnership on average lasts 2-3 years.) What about US school teachers who invite pro-homo activists to indoctrinate their kids and instruct them not to tell parents about what went on in class. Is a parent opposed to such indoctrination committing a hate crime? Is it also a hate crime to state the well-documented fact that homosexual lifestyles lead to a shorter average life span and that same-sex couples face more domestic violence from their partners than heterosexual ones?

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Oct 29, 09, 14:12 / #
That is such a typical "Polak" thing to say.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Oct 29, 09, 14:18 / #
Whilest i believe all groups should have rights , i can, t help thinking the world has gone a bit mad...political correctness has just got a bit silly....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Oct 29, 09, 14:18 / #
I second that. More verbal diarrhoea from the Christian Right. Leave America alone with your righteous nonsense! God made life to have imperfections and we have to deal with them. Why do you think we hear of fundamental human rights? Not for some prescriptive interventionist to come in and try and proscribe them. Let it Be, Pol3. Take a chill pill and let life takes its course. Real Christians and the Christian Right are different, I might add. A bit like Jewish Rabbis and raving Zionists.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Oct 29, 09, 14:45 / #
In terms of ubiquitousness, pervasivesness, frequency and sheer propaganda volume is today's world really threatened by the Christian right? Isn't it actually the LIBERTINE FUNDAMENTALISTS who are throwing their weight around and trying to force their pro-homo, pro-abortion, anti-family and anti-Christian notions down everybody's throat?

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Oct 29, 09, 15:03 / #
There is a big difference between indoctrination and informing kids about parts of society their parents (be it willfully or not) keep them away from. I agree with Seanus that it involves HUMAN rights. You religious beings like to be treated equal, don't you? Not for the nutters normal ppl sometimes think you are, eh? Indeed, leave it be and forget about it - it doesn't affect you in anyway if those ppl are finally get equal treatment. >^..^< M-G (freedom for all, except Albanians. I don't like Albanians)

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Oct 29, 09, 15:44 / #
Dice: That is such a typical "Polak" thing to say. More of a 'burak' thing. Isn't it actually the LIBERTINE FUNDAMENTALISTS who are throwing their weight around and trying to force their pro-homo, pro-abortion, anti-family and anti-Christian notions down everybody's throat? There is no 'homintern' :-D Homosexuality is not being "forced down your throat". Unless you gatecrashed the wrong party. Abortion is not being "forced down your throat". You are not even a woman, so it doesn't concern you in the slightest. Anti-family (whatever that is supposed to mean) is not being "forced down your throat". families still exist happily. Anti-Christian (again, whatever that means) is not being "forced down your throat". Christianity is thriving in both the US and Poland. And please check your dictionary. For a definition of 'libertine'.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 29, 09, 15:50 / #
Very well put, jonni :) Snoopy the Snooper needs to stick his beak out of other people's private business. Also, we cannot have selective application of fundamental human rights. To do otherwise would be to take a holier-than-thou position which we surely don't want.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Oct 29, 09, 16:39 / #
When someone is forced to explain to his 5-year-old son why all those funny looking lewdly gyrating, feather, wig and make-up blokes are riding platforms through the streets to the tune of deafening techno rhythms, that is no longer "people's private business" but a public display being forced upon hapless bystanders and residents. No Catholic adoption agency in Britain forced some other agency to stop placing innocent orphans into unstable homo-partnerships, but someone tried to force a Catholic adoption agency to do so and effectively put it out of business. Parents are responsible for kids' rearing until they reach the age of majority. Hence parents are within their rights to block unwanted Internet content for their offspring and monitor his/her conduct and social conducts, set curfews, etc. No teacher has the right to clandestinely indoctrinate schoolchildren contrary to their parents' beliefs and moral values as the radical homo agitators are doing. The Homintern is trying its damnedest to subvert the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts and other organisations which surely have the right to their own beliefs and values. If the homo gang is so much in need of religious solace, there are plenty of homophiliac denominations to choose from. Besides, they can always set up their own church or some outdoorsy youth movement that promotes promiscuity. . And why is homophobia worse than Christian-bashing or Christophobia? There is more and more of that around these days. Perhaps the patron of the Homintern is Orwell who once wrote: Everybody is equal except that some are equal than others.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Oct 29, 09, 16:50 / #
Polonius3: When someone is forced to explain to his 5-year-old son why all those funny looking lewdly gyrating, feather, wig and make-up blokes are riding platforms through the streets to the tune of deafening techno rhythms, that is no longer "people's private business" but a public display being forced upon hapless bystanders and residents. Dad will say simply that these are very happy ppl and leave it at that. Pls, stop this nonsense, I know you must be somewhere deep in your 70's, but live and let live and apparently you don't want everybody to be equal, so let me put it straight: basically it's none of your business. Polonius3: And why is homophobia worse than Christian-bashing or Christophobia? There is more and more of that around these days. Perhaps the patron of the Homintern is Orwell who once wrote: Everybody is equal except that some are equal than others. Should I call a doctor for you or some professional help? You obviously need it very badly. Christian bashing? Where in the Western world does this happen? I haven't heard of this since about 2000 years. Gay bashing, yes, but Christian bashing? Never heard of that. The Orwell quote was directed at the Communists/SU not at gays or something. >^..^< M-G (and if you're not 70, you sure sound like somebody who is)

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Oct 29, 09, 17:15 / #
You apparently have a highly selective view of reality. Why is it that when a NY museum displayed a crucifux in a jar of urine, those who protested that it offended their relgious sensibilities were laughed off as bigots oblivious to a bold artistic experiment. When someone daubs a wall with a star of David on a gallows, that is anti-Semitism. When someone warns of the dangers to society of aggressive homo-promotion -- that is homophobia. Orwell, anyone? Read up a bit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_sentiment

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Oct 29, 09, 20:52 / #
Seanus: How about those drunken louts shouting obscenities and sounding like loud-mouthed bozos on the streets? Are they acceptable, Pol3? they are to be dealt with by the police - if you see less and less police in the streets these days it's because of the new liberal policies of the PO

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Oct 29, 09, 22:56 / #
lesser: This is probably the most bashed religion all over the world. It is because Christians are mostly peaceful people, an easy target. Speaking about funny arguments, Lesser. Have you forgotten about the Crusades, Witchhunts, the hunt for Heretics, limitation of lots of rights of those who think different, the hostility towards ppl of different religions - a fact where the Christians can learn a lot from the Muslims in fact? Arabs were tolerant towards Christians, a tolerance that wasn't repaid by the Christians. >^..^< M-G (tsk)

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Oct 29, 09, 23:30 / #
MareGaea: Have you forgotten about the Crusades Even peaceful people have the right to defend themselves. All this stuff about Christians invading Muslim lands is bogus. These areas were populated mostly by Christians and invaded by Muslims. You are a hypocrite if you refuse to invaded Christians the right to ask for help their brothers in faith. I highly doubt whether you would welcome rule of Muslim invaders in your little Netherlands. I think that you would cry loud and beg for help from all over Europe. (even evil Catholic Poland) MareGaea: Witchhunts, the hunt for Heretics Witch-hunt BS was indeed popular among those heretics that you defend so much. The church's aim is to convert unbelievers, the aim of state was always to kill political opponents which happened to be heretics at that time. MareGaea: limitation of lots of rights of those who think different For example the supposed right to kill unborn human being... Aren't you a socialist by any chance? They are masters in forbidding things competition. If I recall correctly you are against freedom of speech. MareGaea: he Christians can learn a lot from the Muslims in fact? Arabs were tolerant towards Christians, a tolerance that wasn't repaid by the Christians. From what I read Arabs were indeed tolerant toward Christians. Neither Christians butchered Arabs. This was state from Persia, the first to commit genocide against Christian population. By the way, if you need to come up with crusades to defend your argument then you must be really desperate. Even if your poor understanding of these events would be correct, this is absolutely not related to current realities. Christianity is the most targeted religion because Christians are peaceful people.

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Dice Oct 29, 09, 16:52 / #
Polonius3: When someone is forced to explain to his 5-year-old son Did you know there is a 1-in-10 chances your son was born gay? These are some pretty good odds. Will you call him a "homo" when he is a teenager?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 29, 09, 19:50 / #
Pol3, you do your rearing and let gays do their 'rearing' :) We are talking about private consensual acts which don't cause harm to others.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Edited by: gumishu Oct 29, 09, 20:00 / #
to all of you who think informing everyone about everything in any time available is the right thing to do - do you think it is adviseable to tell 5-6-7 year old kids about the details of sexual life?? any serious thoughts - why do all children have to be taught the same (sexual education haha - the more there is sexual eductation it seems the more teenage pregnancies occur) at the same age even if their parents don't wish for it Dice: Polonius3: When someone is forced to explain to his 5-year-old son Did you know there is a 1-in-10 chances your son was born gay? These are some pretty good odds. Will you call him a "homo" when he is a teenager? and it is an arguement against what??? Polonius3: When someone is forced to explain to his 5-year-old son why all those funny looking lewdly gyrating, feather, wig and make-up blokes are riding platforms through the streets to the tune of deafening techno rhythms, that is no longer "people's private business" but a public display being forced upon hapless bystanders and residents. can't agree more

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 29, 09, 20:08 / #
How about those drunken louts shouting obscenities and sounding like loud-mouthed bozos on the streets? Are they acceptable, Pol3?

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Oct 29, 09, 21:32 / #
Seanus: More verbal diarrhoea from the Christian Right. Leave America alone with your righteous nonsense! OK, let reverse your proposal to Polonius3. More verbal diarrhoea from the non-Christian Left. Leave Poland alone with your righteous nonsense.! Will you abide to your own logic Seanus? :) MareGaea: There is a big difference between indoctrination and informing kids about parts of society their parents (be it willfully or not) keep them away from. Probably the most funny argument that I heard over this issue. jonni: Homosexuality is not being "forced down your throat". Unless you gatecrashed the wrong party. If you demand access to public schools to spread your propaganda then expert troubles. This is very delicate issue and really nobody like own children being indoctrinated about something that he/she consider incorrect. jonni: Abortion is not being "forced down your throat". You are not even a woman, so it doesn't concern you in the slightest. I kindly remind you that children use to have father as well. I don't even mention about the right of human being to not be murdered. Yes, Human Right Declaration is very selective and as such should be rejected. There was one quite famous socialist babbling something about subhumans, he is gone and I wait till his theories vanish from people's minds as well. jonni: Anti-family (whatever that is supposed to mean) is not being "forced down your throat". families still exist happily. Number of divorces in western world is growing all the time. This is supported by social policy of governments and immoral lifestyle promoted in mainstream media. Anti-family values are indeed force on population, even if many people is unaware of such indoctrination. MareGaea: Christian bashing? Where in the Western world does this happen? This is probably the most bashed religion all over the world. It is because Christians are mostly peaceful people, an easy target. Dice: Did you know there is a 1-in-10 chances your son was born gay? This is nonsense, instead to repeat "what they say in TV" you could think on your own. Why don't you make a list of people that you know relatively well (or even family members) and then estimate how many of them are homosexuals. I bet that this is nowhere near 1 of 10.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 29, 09, 21:48 / #
If I consider it as verbal diarrhoea, then yes, lesser :)

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Oct 29, 09, 21:51 / #
Nobody is protesting against private consenual sexual activity performed in privacy, but that is hardly the description of radical homo activists trying to brainwash school children without their parents' knowledge or loud and lewd homo parades disturbing the peace.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 29, 09, 22:34 / #
Then let's not talk at loggerheads! You know what I was discussing, Pol3

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Oct 29, 09, 23:42 / #
Polonius3: description of radical homo activists trying to brainwash school children without their parents' knowledge Give me one good example All this stuff about Christians invading Muslim lands is bogus Tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan etc The church's aim is to convert unbelievers, the aim of state was always to kill political opponents which happened to be heretics at that time The Inquisition was part of the Church. And they won't convert me to their nasty primitive religion. Christianity is the most targeted religion because Christians are peaceful people. Amazonian tribespeople whose religion is under threat from right-wing American Xtian missionaries bribing them to convert might better qualify.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08	Oct 29, 09, 23:56 / #
lesser: By the way, if you need to come with crusades to defend your argument then you must be really desperate. Even if your poor understanding of these events would be correct, this is absolutely not related to current realities. Christianity is the most targeted religion because Christians are peaceful people. It's funny how you religious nutters always claim that the ones who don't agree with you as having no understanding. Is this something like "listen to me, man, I'm the way, the truth and the light"? Some truth and some light. Crusades were murderous expeditions to liberate the Holy Land. Too bad that thousands on innocent ppl died before they got there. Witchhunts - were they performed by the state? Heck no, they were performed by priests and they based it on the Maleus Maleficarum. But what do I know, I have limited understanding of the topic. Heretics were ferociously proscecuted by the church and, like witches usually ended upon the pyre. The priests had a funny trick to see if somebody was a witch: they attached very heavy rocks to your body and threw you in the water. If you stayed under water because the rocks were too heavy and you couldn't get rid of them, you drowned. If you managed to get rid of them and surfaced again, you were a witch as everybody knew that witches floated and you went into the fire. Either way you lost. Who were witches? Solitairy women, living apart from the rest of society, herbal collectors, women who had an overly sex-drive. In short, they were "different". And of course the plebejum couldn't stand outsiders, so: into the fire with them! And somehow somewhere abortion pops up. What's it to you man? What gives you the right to tell a woman what to do and what not to do? It's her body you know, not yours and besides, you don't pay her bills, so you don't have any right whatsoever to tell her what to do. What gives you the right to tell homosexuals to do and what not to do? What's it to you if two men or women fall in love with each other. It's not my cup of tea either, but I think everybody has the right to decide what he or she wants to do in their life. They don't need religious nutters to tell them what to do. What the f*ck is wrong with you? Go make yourself useful to society by planting trees or cleaning the trash out of the streets or paint houses or whatever and let other ppl live their life they way they let you live your life. Or go join a religious cult, preach that the end is nigh and join in common prayer with your fellow cultmembers, deep in the woods, far away from modern society. >^..^< M-G (tiens)

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Oct 29, 09, 23:59 / #
jonni: Give me one good example There is famous video available on-line. (from the US, scandalously banned from You Tube) jonni: Tell that to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan etc Please tell me how much people in Christian world support these wars? I personally many times speak out again it. Armies were sent by atheist political establishment. Christian churches were always against, Pope JPII attitude over this issue was well known. jonni: The Inquisition was part of the Church. And they won't convert me to their nasty primitive religion. It was a positive move at that time dealing with socially dangerous demagogues whom targeted very naive at that time population. This is just secular state often twisted the sense of inquisition to eliminate political opponents. King of Spain was not loyal to papacy. Let Spain serve as an example. Nasty primitive religion? This must be this famous leftist tolerance coming out of you. jonni: Amazonian tribespeople whose religion is under threat from right-wing American Xtian missionaries bribing them to convert might better qualify. Bribing to convert? Their faith must be strong indeed in they would accept such offer. We are talking about something else, about verbal bashing, about psychical attacks. MareGaea: It's funny how you religious nutters Too late to answer today. Anyway this is another example of leftist tolerance, name calling already in the first sentence. Cannot you wait at least to the last one? :)

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: jonni Oct 30, 09, 00:10 / #
lesser: There is famous video available on-line. (from the US, scandalously banned from You Tube) US video!!! Just an example, go no, just one... lesser: Please tell me how much people in Christian world support these wars? Plenty, it seems. lesser: positive move at that time dealing with socially dangerous demagogues Provide just one teensy reference about Galileo and Bruno being 'socially dangerous demagogues. A positive move" to burn people to death. Puhleese!! lesser: this famous leftist tolerance I'm not on the left, and never mentioned tolerance. You however described burning people to death as "a positive move" lesser: Their faith must be strong indeed in their would accept They have had minimal contact with the outside world. Printed pictures, tinned food, nasty wal-mart clothes are something very new and exciting.

CacyUlciaThreads: 2 Posts: 93 Joined: Aug 27, 09	Edited by: CacyUlcia Oct 30, 09, 01:00 / #
Polonius3: Obama has signed into law an anti-hate-crime bill which protect homos and other sexual irregulars Yea, just now, when it should had been done 1000 years ago! Polonius3: Why is it that when a NY museum displayed a crucifux in a jar of urine, those who protested that it offended their relgious sensibilities were laughed off as bigots oblivious to a bold artistic experiment. Any dumbo whose mind is dominated by hate has a mind that is no different than that of an ape, because little thinking is involved in acts of hate. I guess nowadays it takes a genius, (not just human's mind) to figure out how to make peace in the world, how respect differences is religion and social customs, because even a monkey knows how to kill, or throw a crucifix into urine. Polonius3: A Catholic adoption agency in Britain was effectively shut down when they refused to place innocent orphans (who have already been through enough) with homo couples. Even though I'm a Catholic, there are some Catholic rules which are I'm against, simply b/c those were man's ideas and not God's. Shutting down the Catholic adoption agency in Britain was the right thing to do for them. Some gay individuals whom I know personally are very caring, sweet, intelligent and MORAL (regardless of their sexual orientation). But the main thing is that marriage and family is God's way to take care of us: Perhaps God's reason to create gays is so they can adopt and be parents to children who don't have biological parents. I don't think God is against gay marriage. Polonius3: When someone is forced to explain to his 5-year-old son why all those funny looking lewdly gyrating, feather, wig and make-up blokes are riding platforms through the streets to the tune of deafening techno rhythms, I would tell the 5 year old that celebrating Gay Pride is culturally unattractive, and its bad because it embarrasses all of the other Gay individuals who are good Christians. Dice: That is such a typical "Polak" thing to say. And what are you trying to say? I'll say that if anybody on here were to compare your threads to Polonious3, they would agree with me that his writing skills in your native language are 100 times better than yours. His comprehension and communication in Polish is also excellent. Although Polonious3 has his flaws, his manner of communicating is far more intelligent than yours.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Oct 30, 09, 10:24 / #
Jonni wanted an example of radical homo activists try to promote homosexuality among innocent school children: A Denver Public Schools Health and Science Education teachers' guide entitled "Gay and Lesbian Youth Tools for Educators" encourages teachers to pass out a questionnaire to students which includes the following questions: Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may outgrow? Is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover? If you have never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know that you would not prefer to do so? The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers? How can you hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to an exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and develop your normal, natural, healthy homosexual potential? How could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like you, considering the menace of overpopulation?" In addition to aggressively promoting acceptance of homosexuality, bisexuality and lesbianism (with graphic descriptions of these behaviors and techniques) this teachers' guide suggests that teachers distribute resources to children including pamphlets containing telephone numbers of adult gays who might possibly serve as mentors, to encourage children to "explore their gay identities" and experiment with gay behavior. http://www.leaderu.com/marco/special/spc36.html

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Oct 31, 09, 21:22 / #
Polonius3: Jonni wanted an example of radical homo activists try to promote homosexuality among innocent school children: This isn't an example, this is a quote from somebody's website. And to add insult to injury, it's a campaigning website. Doesn't even show a copy of the original 'questionnaire', if it ever indeed existed. So come on, just one real example of homosexuality among "innocent scjool children" Or are you just trying to force your right wing agenda down our throuats? :-)))

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09	Oct 31, 09, 21:38 / #
jonni: down our throuats? Jonni, I've got a feeling you know all about forcing something down someone's throat.