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yehudi:

Not all religions are about the same thing. Some are about achieving personal tranquility. Not Judaism. Judaism, in my opinion, is about making the earth a holy place where mankind recognizes its creator. Achieving this will bring world peace and people being good to each other. But the process of reaching this state may include suffering and wars and struggle. So in any given generation the best path to take is not necessarily one of peace and tranquility. You have to look at the long term picture.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jul 5, 09, 16:39 / #
yehudi: I think the reason that Jews and other immigrants did well in the US is that it's not a nation state. Yes, but still US had numerus clausus rule for Jewish students until late 1950s (see post #150) so even not being a nation state US had laws limiting Jewish education opportunities.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole Jul 5, 09, 16:43 / #
It appears anti social but it's the same sort of ordeal that many who are overly religious go thru. Why is it religion creates so much tension? Isn't religion about finding peace?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jul 5, 09, 16:44 / #
PlasticPole: Isn't religion about finding peace? No.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 5, 09, 16:46 / #
Differences cause tension, simple point. Religion is about morality and belief more than it is about peace.

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08	Jul 6, 09, 09:51 / #
Seanus: Religion is about morality and belief more than it is about peace. Not all religions are about the same thing. Some are about achieving personal tranquility. Not Judaism. Judaism, in my opinion, is about making the earth a holy place where mankind recognizes its creator. Achieving this will bring world peace and people being good to each other. But the process of reaching this state may include suffering and wars and struggle. So in any given generation the best path to take is not necessarily one of peace and tranquility. You have to look at the long term picture.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Jul 6, 09, 10:30 / #
Interesting. Is it possible that annimosity toward Jewish people might have something to do with this held view of making the earth a holy place where mankind recognizes its creator. Achieving this will bring world peace and people being good to each other since it is only the Jewish people who are tasked with this role of a guide?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 6, 09, 11:10 / #
yehudi: Judaism, in my opinion, is about making the earth a holy place where mankind recognizes its creator. Religion is a funny thing... http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443718416&pagename=JPos t%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Rabbi Ovadia Yosef: Shoah victims - reincarnated sinners . ...Still, they were punished because of sins of past generations."

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08	Jul 6, 09, 11:43 / #
1jola: s it possible that annimosity toward Jewish people might have something to do with this held view of... since it is only the Jewish people who are tasked with this role of a guide? Could be. But are most non-Jews really aware of what Jews believe in? Were the pogromchicks really concerned with our view of theology? And the fact is that some of the most terrible cases of anti-semitism happened in countries where Jews were not religious and wanted nothing more than to assimilate, like Germany. What's more - there are religions that believe the most outrageous things and yet no one bothers them. And that's because they don't live scattered among other nations.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jul 6, 09, 22:29 / #
yehudi: Could Or could it be possible that pogroms were orchestrated by the Jewish ruling class as way to control Jewish population and avoid or lessen possibility of assimilation.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Jul 6, 09, 22:33 / #
That's probably not likely, Ironside. It sounds a bit paranoid.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Jul 6, 09, 22:41 / #
Ironside: There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose of paranoia ! Who told you that? who? who?.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Edited by: Ironside Jul 6, 09, 22:42 / #
SeanBM: Who told you that? who? who?. lol Actually is darn good question....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 7, 09, 00:22 / #
Yehudi, you referred to personal tranquility. Did you have Buddhism in mind? If so, I'm sorry to disappoint you but it's not a religion. Do you know of Taoism?

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08	Jul 7, 09, 09:45 / #
PlasticPole: Yehudi, do you think this is where Islam and Judaism meet and share the most? No. I think that the place where Islam and judaism meet is the belief in the total oneness of G-d. That's why neither religion can belief in the trinity or in the idea of a son of G-d. z_darius: As someone said, fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. When I say that sometimes following Judaism can sometimes entail suffering, wars and struggle, I don't mean we want to wage a jewish jihad. What I mean is that a person or a generation is sometimes required to suffer humiliation, inconvenience or even physical danger while keeping the faith. Sometimes Jews have to struggle or fight wars to defend themselves, and they always have to struggle with the urge to give up and assimilate. In the short term it would look like the faith is failing the faithful, if you're looking for peace and quiet. But in the long term, keeping G-d's commandments brings peace to us and the world in general. On a personal note, I have to say that I personally don't find it hard at all to live the Jewish life. I quite enjoy it. I'm talking in historic terms.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jul 6, 09, 22:40 / #
PlasticPole: It sounds a bit paranoid. There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose of paranoia !

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Jul 7, 09, 00:28 / #
yehudi: Not all religions are about the same thing. Some are about achieving personal tranquility. Not Judaism. Judaism, in my opinion, is about making the earth a holy place where mankind recognizes its creator. Achieving this will bring world peace and people being good to each other. But the process of reaching this state may include suffering and wars and struggle. So in any given generation the best path to take is not necessarily one of peace and tranquility. You have to look at the long term picture. Yehudi, do you think this is where Islam and Judaism meet and share the most?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jul 7, 09, 04:07 / #
yehudi: Judaism, in my opinion, is about making the earth a holy place where mankind recognizes its creator. Achieving this will bring world peace and people being good to each other. But the process of reaching this state may include suffering and wars and struggle. As someone said, fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Jul 7, 09, 09:45 / #
yehudi: Could be. But are most non-Jews really aware of what Jews believe in? True. Most are not. Judaism is complex and often taken out of context and used against Jews. yehudi: Were the pogromchicks really concerned with our view of theology? I think not. Probably an economic factor played part and sheer ignorance. yehudi: What's more - there are religions that believe the most outrageous things and yet no one bothers them. And that's because they don't live scattered among other nations. There are plenty of examples of religious minorities being violently attacked. Never understood this part of human behavior.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jul 7, 09, 09:57 / #
yehudi: That's why neither religion can belief in the trinity or in the idea of a son of G-d. It is more complicated with Judaism as Jews share the Old Testament with Christians (they just refuse to accept the fulness of God's revelation in Our Lord Jesus Christ and the New Testament), but with Muslims it is exactly as you said, yehudi. I always ask all those ecumenical freaks, who claim that Muslims and Catholics believe in the same God, if Muslim God is Holy Trinity - the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If He isn't then obviously it isn't the same God. Thank you. I don't mind honest Muslims and I have a lot of respect for Jews (for historic and personal reasons) but I just can't stand all those ecumenical half-wits, claiming that we all believe in the same God, all religions lead to salvation, blah blah blah yada yada yada.

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08	Jul 7, 09, 12:07 / #
Torq: but I just can't stand all those ecumenical half-wits, claiming that we all believe in the same God, all religions lead to salvation, blah blah blah yada yada yada. I agree. I think we should respect the good intentions of each other's religions, recognizing that each is worshiping the Creator according to its understanding, but we shouldn't blur the differences. You can tell me that I'll burn in hell, as long as you don't burn me at the stake.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jul 7, 09, 12:17 / #
yehudi: I agree. I think we should respect the good intentions of each other's religions, recognizing that each is worshiping the Creator according to its understanding but we shouldn't blur the differences. Well said. yehudi: You can tell me that I'll burn in hell Actually as far as Catholic church is concerned - we don't know who will burn in hell and who won't. Only God knows that. Catholic church has never in any official document stated that a specific person is in hell (not even in the case of such great villains as Hitler or Stalin). We don't know who will be saved and who will end up in hell. We might have some clues and suspicions, but the final decision is in God's hands.

MauriceThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Aug 12, 09	Edited by: Maurice Aug 12, 09, 02:52 / #
I would appreciate any help on this. My father was a Polish Jew from Warsaw who fought bravely with the Free Polish Forces, first in North Africa against Rommel, and then with Anders's Corp at Cassino. I would like to obtain any military records or history of his service. I can be reached at cotnermsbabbles@aol.com PS-Jew Youth? Sounds like something you would hear from Der Sturmer.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Aug 18, 09, 18:10 / #
Torq: I don't mind honest Muslims and I have a lot of respect for Jews (for historic and personal reasons) but I just can't stand all those ecumenical half-wits, claiming that we all believe in the same God, all religions lead to salvation, blah blah blah yada yada yada. I am not saying all gods I say Jews, Muslims, Christians belive in the same god. Don¨t they all have the story of Adam and Eva? Muhammed saw Jews as a key factor can¨t remember why- and Christians are Judaists who belive in what Jesus Christ said...

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09	Aug 18, 09, 20:01 / #
Maurice: Maurice You could have chosen any thread on this forum and you picked this one? Lol...

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Aug 18, 09, 22:49 / #
Mr Grunwald: I say Jews, Muslims, Christians belive in the same god. They don't...

free palestineThreads: - Posts: 61 Joined: Jan 14, 09	Oct 15, 09, 18:28 / #
very touching...but what is the difference between what happened to the jews then and what jews are doind to the palestinians?NOTHING.if anything palestinians are much worse off than jews ever were.please read this. http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Oct 15, 09, 18:51 / #
free palestine: if anything palestinians are much worse off than jews ever were. Yes, I'm sure that there are multiple camps in Israel where hunderds of thousands of Palestinians are sent and gassed.

cheehawThreads: 9 Posts: 831 Joined: Oct 10, 09	Edited by: cheehaw Oct 15, 09, 19:34 / #
Mr Grunwald I say Jews, Muslims, Christians belive in the same god They don't. Old Testament hebrew/jews and and Christians say they believe in the same God. but today... the muslims worship allah, who does not have a son, some jews worship a god whose messiah is yet to come or may have come in the form of some Jewish guy (not jesus) .. some jews are atheists.. secular jews by ethnicity only.. there is talmudic judiasm.. the kaballah and all of that.. Interesting to note that Madonna (the pop star) was given a meeting with Netanyahu.. these are kaballistic talmudic jews... there is a huge difference between their beliefs and those of the old testament jews. and lots of Christian feel it is their duty to support Israel at any cost.. thing is... while some old testament jews and talmudic jews may feel that it is their duty to purge the land of non-jews and muslims feel the same way from their perspective.. Christians were never told to do that. and anyway, if you read the bible (OT) carefully you will notice, that the only people God ever told the hebrews to slaughter outright were populations that practiced human sacrifice, most notably, the sacrifice of children and babies, aka the worshippers of Molech (can go by other names). and when the hebrews did not do that and started mixing their religious beliefs with those of the other arab tribes that still practiced human sacrifice, God cursed them. Most jews I meet in the USA don't even believe in God. They are just jews by ethnicity.

free palestineThreads: - Posts: 61 Joined: Jan 14, 09	Oct 16, 09, 08:39 / #
Harry: Yes, I'm sure that there are multiple camps in Israel where hunderds of thousands of Palestinians are sent and gassed and am sure hitler is still alive and well and still gassing millions of jews.(although the figure of 6m is now open for debate IF some people will allow it).

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 972 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Oct 16, 09, 09:45 / #
free palestine: very touching...but what is the difference between what happened to the jews then and what jews are doind to the palestinians?NOTHING.if anything palestinians are much worse off than jews ever were u cant say that, i mean i have seen personally the situation in Palestina (this summer) and its nothing to be compare with the jews holocaust. It's terrible what happens in Palestina now, Its like entering a prison which is carefully watched by israelis. Also such shame that the UN, really is not moving a finger to solve this long ongoing issue.