Jewish love towards Poles

Puzzler wrote:

Including some of those taking part in the so-called March of the Living. I've seen a documentary about it, showing what the mainstream media liars carefully hide from view. It's shocking horrible stuff. Scum like this should be forbidden from ever visiting Poland. I hope I live long enough to see this.

Manifestations cited by the committee have included hysterical weeping, anorexia and lack of appetite, violence toward the "locals" (the Poles), vandalism and theft of items from hotels, and the hiring of strippers to come to their rooms.

Israeli students should learn to understand the history of their people, but also the history of the Nazi idea and the power of its attraction. The Holocaust was not a demonic blow. Human beings were responsible for it. Not the Poles as a nation, but the Germans and their many collaborators in Europe, including in Poland.

The third question is why the hell does everything have to fall on the Poles? The answer is simple: Because the emotional shock occurs on the soil of Poland, hence the Holocaust is perceived as an issue between the Poles and the Jews. (The Germans elegantly slide out of the equation.) In this context, young people's paranoid wrapping of themselves in the flag, and their violence toward Poles , seem logical, even normal. It doesn't take a psychologist to explain these phenomena. But this is not the way to learn history.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Jan 2, 08, 04:38 / #
I have noticed a great deal of sympathy of Jews when they write in this forum about polish people.Can this love be objective or maybe can it lead to some prejudice in favour of Poles?

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Jan 2, 08, 08:53 / #
This is silly and prevents serious discussion om these issues. Firstly some people obsessed with anti-Jewish paranoia (in this forum mostly from outside of Poland!!) spread their love message. Later some Jewish nationalists read this and this just confirm in their eyes what they always thought about those ugly Poles. So, both groups start to argue and their stupid comment do provoke some more reasonable posters to enter "discussion" and lose coolness. This spiral of love spreads later outside of internet forums and that is how Polish-Jewish friendship is flourish.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jan 2, 08, 09:18 / #
With Jews there seems to be a problem. 1.1500 years before Jesus was born they were expelled from Egypt by force.The ones who managed to stay alive came to Israel. 2.In Israel they had wars all the time against the Philistines(now Palestinians) and every other folk in the region 3.The Babylonians slaughtered them and radically expelled them from Israel 4.The Greeks who became governors of them after the collapse of Persian Empire performed some massive killings of Jews when there was revolution 5.The Romans crushed them totally,slaughtered every person who resisted and their families and expelled them again from Israel to every possible place 6.When Greeks revolted in Alexandria against the Roman Empire(1 million people),they killed every Jew living in Alexandria before the roman army came 7.In Middle Age Jews were expelled,exiled and slaughetered many times in almost every country 8.They were expelled from Prague by Czechs 3 times 9.They were discriminated and persecuted in Russia 10.Hitler decided to exterminate them.Almost every european police was happy to help the german occupators to find the Jews and send them to concentration camps.Many times they actively helped in the gathering and extermination of Jews(especially in Baltic States) 11.Stalin decided after the war to start pogrom against Jews again. 12.Arabs never accepted jewish presence among them.They try to get rid of them any way possible. So there seems to be a long time hatred towards Jews which has not to do with Christians only.In fact it has started by the time Jews appeared in history.The egyptian pharaos were the first to do massive pogrom and cleansing of Jews. The reasonable question is maybe is there someting in jewish people's attitude that causes so much hatred and harshness towards them?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jan 2, 08, 09:22 / #
Telling everyone that they are the "chosen" people (contrary to everone else) and denying assimiliation into the host countries might have something to do with that....

vodkaThreads: 1 Posts: 46 Joined: Dec 30, 07	Jan 2, 08, 11:05 / #
Bratwurst Boy wrote: Telling everyone that they are the "chosen" people there are two nations who think they are choosen by God. Jews and Poles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_philosophy_in_Poland read part about Messianism.

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06	Jan 2, 08, 11:08 / #
southern wrote: With Jews there seems to be a problem. No more so than with other nations, races, religions...by yet again by questioning the legitimacy of the Jewish people and their beliefs you automatically join the ranks or the prejudiced and persecutors of the world..........aka Nazis. The world is full of anti-semites........and people who could never think for themselves...always following the herd, pitiful. Bratwurst Boy wrote: Telling everyone that they are the "chosen" people So you're condemning 1 billion Catholics too...who belong to the "one true faith"....get a grip......the wolrd will always be full of the prejudiced, from whose well springs forth the never ending flow of injustice and persecution.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Jan 2, 08, 11:43 / #
vodka wrote: there are two nations who think they are choosen by God. Jews and Poles Polish society don't have messianic tendencies anymore. Rather lunatic politicians, for example LiD (without God in this case) or different kind of Fotygists. Currently this is more common for Americans. Frank wrote: So you're condemning 1 billion Catholics too...who belong to the "one true faith" The Jews think that God is exclusively their. This is not true for Catholics.

vodkaThreads: 1 Posts: 46 Joined: Dec 30, 07	Jan 2, 08, 11:48 / #
lesser wrote: Polish society don't have messianic tendencies anymore. yes we dont have this tendences anymore, but it is beautiful part of our history.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 2, 08, 11:50 / #
Which is why Jews are targetted for abuse. Fine, have ur views, but don't tresspass on others territory. I'm sure there was nothing about Poles and Jews being divine entities in either the Big Bang or Steady State theories. So Brits, or any other Christian nation for that matter, are not the children of God, just Jews? Come off it!! Holier than thou weirdos have major chips on their shoulders and should be ignored

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07	Jan 2, 08, 12:01 / #
Bratwurst Boy wrote: Telling everyone that they are the "chosen" people (contrary to everone else) and denying assimiliation into the host countries might have something to do with that.... True. I saw a documentary recently about the Monty Python film 'Life of Brian' and in it they mentioned how they had to cut out a particular character they had created called Otto. He was a rabid semite with a little Hitler moustache who ranted about one race, one set of beliefs and talked of purifying the nation of foriegners and non jews and expanding the nation to give 'living space'. Obvious parallels were being drawn with Nazism.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Edited by: Puzzler Jan 4, 08, 11:00 / #
Dice wrote: Boy, you are a f***up moron. I pray to God that you don't represent an average person in Poland. But if you do, then my Old Country will remain a sht-hole for ever. - Oh, how touchy he is about even the slightest word of criticism about Jews - so touchy he throws $hit at the alleged 'his' Old Country. Preferring not to notice the horrific Polonophobia of many Jews, its ultravulgar ultraslanderous expressions? Preferring not to remember e.g. the Stalinist period: Morel, Lola Potok, Berman, Wolinska-Brus, Michnik and the rest of the murderous bunch? - No, pal, Poland isn't your 'Old Country' and She isn't a sh*hole; it's you, I'm afraid, who are made of this precious matter. I consider those like you as ferocious enemies of Poland and Poles as Hitler and his bunch. ShelleyS wrote: Jews were (and still are) targetted because - Jews also target others, and very well indeed. For instance us Poles. For instance in this very forum. Preferring not to notice that? Learn history, ignorant hypocrite. Lukasz wrote: ask Palestinias holded in ghettos - And e.g. the families of the Polish victims of Jewish Stalinists. southern wrote: I have noticed a great deal of sympathy of Jews when they write in this forum about polish people - For instance where?! What specific threads, posts?! I hope you wrote your post in a substance-induced state of mind...? :)

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Jan 4, 08, 11:31 / #
BubbaWoo wrote: so just like you when you hear the slightest word of criticism about poles :-P - I suspect you'd find it an impossible task to prove that I'm so touchy about the slightest word of criticism about Poles I throw $hit e.g. at England, just as this character does in regard to Poland. If you are critical about the touchiness of folks about their native lands, why don't you, first of all, aim your criticism at some of your compatriots living in Poland, such as 'Wroclaw Boy' and, indeed, yourself? :) You both are English xenophobes (and Polonophobes) big time (this doesn't mean I think all the English people are like yourselves). :)

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Jan 4, 08, 11:34 / #
Puzzler wrote: - I suspect you'd find it an impossible task to prove that I'm so touchy about the slightest word of criticism about Poles lol - damn, look how touchy you got over that tiny bit of criticism

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 5, 08, 12:03 / #
Shelley S, I am, albeit to a very small extent, Jewish as my mother's family name is Caddell. Lukasz gave u a good reply that the Jews aren't angels in Palestine. I was just making the point that Jews use religion far too much as a tool and they are OTT with it. The chosen people, come on!! This is just an ego trip

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jan 2, 08, 15:29 / #
Kilkline wrote: with a little Hitler moustache who ranted about one race, one set of beliefs and talked of purifying the nation of foriegners and non jews and expanding the nation to give 'living space'. lol,he was the leader of the JPF*fekers*,you see his boys at the end in the suicide mission,look closely and on there picklehaubs they have odd half star of david/half swastika symbols,v'funny.

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Jan 2, 08, 16:50 / #
southern wrote: With Jews there seems to be a problem Boy, you are a f***up moron. I pray to God that you don't represent an average person in Poland. But if you do, then my Old Country will remain a sht-hole for ever.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jan 2, 08, 17:31 / #
Dice wrote: Boy, you are a f***up moron. I pray to God that you don't represent an average person in Poland. But if you do, then my Old Country will remain a sht-hole for ever. You have quoted only the first sentence without the evidence to support it,so you can answer as if it were an ungrounded personal statement.Can you deny the historical facts which follow?If I split and isolate the sentences the way I liked,I could make everyone appear moron,psycho or whatever.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Jan 2, 08, 17:36 / #
southern wrote: everyone appear moron,psycho or whatever. and only you are so smart? :)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jan 2, 08, 17:38 / #
lesser wrote: and only you are so smart? :) I mean if I omit or cut sentences the others have written,I can give to their words a totally different meaning,which can be the opposite of what they write. That is what Dice did.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Jan 2, 08, 17:43 / #
southern wrote: That is what Dice did. and myself in previous post! :)

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Jan 4, 08, 10:15 / #
Seanus wrote: Which is why Jews are targetted for abuse. Fine, have ur views, but don't tresspass on others territory. I'm sure there was nothing about Poles and Jews being divine entities in either the Big Bang or Steady State theories. So Brits, or any other Christian nation for that matter, are not the children of God, just Jews? Come off it!! Holier than thou weirdos have major chips on their shoulders and should be ignored Jews were (and still are) targetted because they have a nack and a good head for business, they will move around almost nomadic and still have wealth - someone mentioned about the jews in Prauge - most of the wealth in Prauge was generated by the Jews - they were bankers in some way - they had skills and inteligence and this bothered the Czechs - so they were all to happy to send them off to the concentration camps and take over their properties etc,...if any one has been to Prauge they will know that the Jewish district is quite a nice place... Jews are peaceful and in general no threat to anyone, so I have no idea why people on this forum are attacking them and making statements like you have. Jews dont have an attitude, if you knew any you would know that this is not true, they have strong family values and keep to tradition.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Jan 4, 08, 10:51 / #
ShelleyS wrote: Jews are peaceful and in general no threat to anyone, so I have no idea why people on this forum are attacking them and making statements like you have. ask Palestinias holded in ghettos whose land have been stolen by Jews. what do they think? Generaly all countries where Jews have been or are in big numbers have negative atitude towards them. Maybe because they are friendy towards host nation to the moment it is good business if not most of them change side. I m conscious there were some small exceptions

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Jan 4, 08, 10:59 / #
vodka wrote: there are two nations who think they are choosen by God. Jews and Poles Looks like you never chatted with Born Again Christians in the US :)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Jan 4, 08, 11:16 / #
Jews dont catch up with Tatars. Tatars the best example of loyal citizens. Puzzler wrote: I have noticed a great deal of sympathy of Jews when they write in this forum about polish people it was irony

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Jan 4, 08, 11:18 / #
Puzzler wrote: - Oh, how touchy he is about even the slightest word of criticism about Jews so just like you when you hear the slightest word of criticism about poles :-P

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Jan 4, 08, 11:27 / #
southern wrote: Jewish love towards Poles this love is noticable when we see Jewish tourists in Poland, calling our citizens Pigs behaving like animals. (especialy those with hairlocks) exampel of behaviour http://nt.interia.pl/newsroom/news/incydent-na-majdanku,953323 or dewastated hotels by Jews (who even dont remember WWII) last time some hotles owners reject to rent rooms for Jews bacause later they have to paint walls to get rid of racist slogans. they are even worst than drunk English teens.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Edited by: Puzzler Jan 4, 08, 11:37 / #
Lukasz wrote: this love is noticable when we see Jewish tourists in Poland, calling - Including some of those taking part in the so-called March of the Living. I've seen a documentary about it, showing what the mainstream media liars carefully hide from view. It's shocking horrible stuff. Scum like this should be forbidden from ever visiting Poland. I hope I live long enough to see this. BubbaWoo wrote: lol - You bastard. Why the fuk I can't dislike you, bubby, nor even such an a$$hole as Wroclaw Boy? I must be fuked up on my mind. :))

vodkaThreads: 1 Posts: 46 Joined: Dec 30, 07	Edited by: vodka Jan 5, 08, 07:15 / #
Puzzler wrote: Including some of those taking part in the so-called March of the Living. I've seen a documentary about it, showing what the mainstream media liars carefully hide from view. It's shocking horrible stuff. Scum like this should be forbidden from ever visiting Poland. I hope I live long enough to see this. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/846721.html Israel press noticed this problem. Manifestations cited by the committee have included hysterical weeping, anorexia and lack of appetite, violence toward the "locals" (the Poles), vandalism and theft of items from hotels, and the hiring of strippers to come to their rooms. Israeli students should learn to understand the history of their people, but also the history of the Nazi idea and the power of its attraction. The Holocaust was not a demonic blow. Human beings were responsible for it. Not the Poles as a nation, but the Germans and their many collaborators in Europe, including in Poland. The third question is why the hell does everything have to fall on the Poles? The answer is simple: Because the emotional shock occurs on the soil of Poland, hence the Holocaust is perceived as an issue between the Poles and the Jews. (The Germans elegantly slide out of the equation.) In this context, young people's paranoid wrapping of themselves in the flag, and their violence toward Poles , seem logical, even normal. It doesn't take a psychologist to explain these phenomena. But this is not the way to learn history.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jan 5, 08, 08:15 / #
vodka wrote: young people's paranoid wrapping of themselves in the flag, I was with a bunch of British students at Auschwitz and was shocked to see this,in fact,a lot of our students were bothered by the fact that in the ultimate symbol of where blind nationalism can lead you they thought it aceptable to carry on in such a manner. Not onlky wrapped in the battle flags of the IDF but also push and shoving our students out of the way,and in block 11nearly pushing one of our young girls down back into the basement. Arrogent,rude and plain asking for trouble was my first thoughts about them.

vodkaThreads: 1 Posts: 46 Joined: Dec 30, 07	Edited by: vodka Jan 5, 08, 11:27 / #
isthatu wrote: isthatu I m young person and I dont understand why young people from Israel come here call us murders. Some members of my family have been killed in concentration camps. I like to read about history but why young Israelians come here and do things mentioned before, who cares about what they feel. Poland is free and they should care about their apertheid country and behaviour like this will not be accepted. If we need to dep we can do it because the historical fact is that communism was much more Popular in Jewish community than in native Poles community and first war agains Soviets was in 1920. And Poles have saved the biges number of Jews in Europe durring WWII. In Nazi German occupied Poland there were Polish collaborators the same as Jewish, example Jewish police packing other Jews into trains to Auswitz The most flustrated citizens are citizens of 80 000 people Oswiecim/Auschwitz looking on 20 years old victims of WWII or orthodox rasist jews. hopefully there are some Jews who started to talk about past and present times in open way and noticing some facts cant be called antisemitism.