Jewish US senator wants to give Poland back to Russia

Polonius3:

Calling the post-Soviet world situation “an international disaster,” Senator Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) urged that U.S. policy “be directed toward supporting Prime Minister Putin's dream of eventually restoring Russian hegemony over Eastern Europe.”

“A strong Soviet Union provided a counterbalancing force to offset U.S. imperialism,” the Jewish-American senator contended. “In its absence, President Bush has been free to bully the world.”

Schumer argued that the “mutually assured destruction of the Cold War era helped keep American aggression in check. Now, there’s no telling what new atrocities will be perpetrated by this country.”

As a start, Schumer insisted that all U.S. weapons and personnel be withdrawn from Europe. “U.S. forces are inhibiting an organic resolution of intra-European relations,” he said. “The Russians feel powerless and humiliated. The gains they won from defeating Hitler have been frittered away by weak leaders and American pressure. A withdrawal of our pressure would give Russia the confidence it needs to reassert itself in Eastern Europe—thereby, restoring the region to the status agreed upon at the historic Yalta Conference in 1945.”

Schumer said he doesn’t expect much of a response to his initiative from the Bush Administration, but holds forth great hope that the U.S. presidential election this November will “lead to the necessary changes in U.S. policy. I am confident that a President Obama will get this done.”

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Jun 10, 08, 16:54 / #
Calling the post-Soviet world situation “an international disaster,” Senator Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) urged that U.S. policy “be directed toward supporting Prime Minister Putin's dream of eventually restoring Russian hegemony over Eastern Europe.” “A strong Soviet Union provided a counterbalancing force to offset U.S. imperialism,” the Jewish-American senator contended. “In its absence, President Bush has been free to bully the world.” Schumer argued that the “mutually assured destruction of the Cold War era helped keep American aggression in check. Now, there’s no telling what new atrocities will be perpetrated by this country.” As a start, Schumer insisted that all U.S. weapons and personnel be withdrawn from Europe. “U.S. forces are inhibiting an organic resolution of intra-European relations,” he said. “The Russians feel powerless and humiliated. The gains they won from defeating Hitler have been frittered away by weak leaders and American pressure. A withdrawal of our pressure would give Russia the confidence it needs to reassert itself in Eastern Europe—thereby, restoring the region to the status agreed upon at the historic Yalta Conference in 1945.” Schumer said he doesn’t expect much of a response to his initiative from the Bush Administration, but holds forth great hope that the U.S. presidential election this November will “lead to the necessary changes in U.S. policy. I am confident that a President Obama will get this done.”

EbonyandBathoryThreads: 7 Posts: 349 Joined: Feb 14, 08	Jun 10, 08, 17:07 / #
What difference does it make that he is Jewish?

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Jun 10, 08, 17:20 / #
Jews = don't really like Poles

noimmigration	Jun 10, 08, 17:35 / #
poles (slavs) and jews were slaughtered by the nazis for being inferior, should they not feel a kinship with each other ?

LCzachorThreads: 6 Posts: 82 Joined: Dec 12, 07	Jun 10, 08, 17:58 / #
noimmigration: poles (slavs) and jews were slaughtered by the nazis for being inferior, should they not feel a kinship with each other ? Jea, i would like to understand more about that also.. :/

Wahldo	Jun 10, 08, 18:02 / #
Polonius3: As a start, Schumer insisted that all U.S. weapons and personnel be withdrawn from Europe. I agree with that if he actually said it. We should leave Europe alone once and for all. Vacation to see the homeland that's about it. Europeans can't stand us anyway.

EbonyandBathoryThreads: 7 Posts: 349 Joined: Feb 14, 08	Jun 10, 08, 18:03 / #
MarcinD: Jews = don't really like Poles Then many of them must hate themselves. How sad. Is it fun to talk about "us" and "them?" Lumping people into general groups is fun!

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Edited by: isthatu2 Jun 10, 08, 18:56 / #
Ok,so where does it say he wants to give Poland back ro Russia? Call me an ignorent Brit if you like but,er,Poland was never part of the Soviet Union. Poland was part of the Warsaw pact for sure,but not one of the CCCP nations,plus he mentions Eastern Europe and most of ypu guys get sniffy and say Poland is central Europe.

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Jun 10, 08, 19:26 / #
MarcinD: poles (slavs) and jews were slaughtered by the nazis for being inferior, should they not feel a kinship with each other ? Many Jews feel like Poland turned their back on them following the war. Many factors going into this A) Every European nation to an extent turned them back on them B) We had our own rebuilding and basically re healing to do C) I'm sure there were some Poles that showed their anger towards Jews for what happened but that small percentage seems to reflect the beliefs of many Jews When people discuss those that perished during the war it's either Jews or Polish/Russian, German, French Jews rarely do people focus on JUST Polish Jews, which made up most of the percentage. Trust me, for someone that attended school in America it's rarely mentioned the number of POLES that died. It's all about the Jews, many don't even realize that someone can be Jewish but yet hold a nationality i.e Polish. Think about it....Anna Frank probably the most famous Jew during WWII was German. Many American Jews hold a grudge for some reasons I mentioned and I'm sure some false reasons, probably thinking we didn't do enough. I don't get it either. Think about movies like Schindlers List - how often are Poles mentioned? That's why I love the movie Pianist, it is the Holocaust at it's purest. I'm not telling you it's right/wrong but it's just the way it is. Poles don't have a very positive view from the Jewish community. Especially since Jews have taken homeland in the middle east

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Jun 10, 08, 20:47 / #
LCzachor: Jea, i would like to understand more about that also.. :/ This has been discussed on this forum before in several threads. I'll give you a brief background. Poland welcomed jews in the 13/14th c. while other european countries launched pogroms against the jews. Jews lived in relative peace in poland, although anti-semetism did exist (as it did everywhere else jews lived). During the polish-soviet war of ~1919-21 (see wiki for more info) the russians at one point made their way to warsaw. In the eastern "occupied" areas the russians tried to eliminate the polish intelligentsia but couldnt effectively identify them as everyone lied about their professions (people identified themselves as being peasants). So the russians turned to the jews who acted as spies/informants for the russkies. Later in ww2 many poles helped their jewish neighbours/fellow countrymen hide from the germans, but unfortunately there were some german collaborators (like everywhere else in german occupied europe) who helped the germans persecute the jews. During this time some atrocities occured against the jews supposedly by the poles (can't remember if this was proven or not) as in the case of a town called Jedwabne where poles locked up a group of jews in a barn and set fire to it. The poles say the germans did it, the germans hold the poles responsible and the jews accuse the poles the crime. Many jews believe that poland cooperated more closely with the germans than is believed and written about in history literature. Following the war the jews onced again sided with the russians and joined the polish secret police SB/UB to help impose and maintain communism in poland. Witch hunts, many arrests, persecutions, hatred, back and forth violence blah blah blah. I just don't understand why the jews seem more hostile towards poles than the germans. MarcinD: it's rarely mentioned the number of POLES that died. Same in canada.

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Edited by: MarcinD Jun 10, 08, 23:28 / #
GREAT POST polishcanuck Jews resentment towards Poles was something that my parents experienced first hand when they immigrated to the United States in the early 80's. They didn't understand it either but befriended a Jew and they kinda explained to them the ill feelings Jews hold towards Poles. For two people that are forever linked together and lost so much together, it is quite odd that many Jews like polishcanuck mentioned, hold a bigger grudge towards Poles than Germans....which is RIDICULOUS. You could argue that considering war debts paid back and the U.S.A's forever big brother protection of Jews today, did anyone get it worst in the Second World War than the Poles? I don't want to get racist here but many stereotypes are around for a reason and the Jews have conflicted with every culture or people they have interacted with. If anyone else has more background on the matter it would be great to learn more! sidenote, you can find many interesting articles online but simply searching Poles and Jews. Here is one I found With some exceptions among individuals, and with the exception of commercial transactions, Jewish communities in pre-war Poland largely functioned as insular, self-absorbed, elitist, and self-positioned "strangers" in Polish society. The gulf between Polish Christians and Jews was enormous; in pre-Holocaust Poland, for example, the intermarriage rate between Poles and Jews was only one per cent. This ethnic isolation was self-imposed by Jews from the earliest times of their residence in Poland. Most Jews consciously chose not to assimilate into Polish society, many could not even speak Polish, and few had friendly relationships with the non-Jews around them. "In prewar Poland," notes Wladyslaw Krajewski, a Polish Jew, "... the majority of Jews did not regard themselves as Poles. Growing up for the most part in Jewish environments, they observed only the Jewish customs and religion, spoke only Yiddish at home, and generally spoke Polish poorly." [Krajewski, 96-97] Norman Salsitz describes growing up in a Jewish community in a Polish town and discovering that many Jews did not even know what the Polish flag looked like. http://library.flawlesslogic.com/poles.htm

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Edited by: joepilsudski Jun 11, 08, 14:41 / #
SENATOR 'CHUCKY' SHUMER First of all, Chucky Shumer is, how would you say, 'Byk Guwno Artysta'...And, in this excerpt you posted, I don't see the word Poland...I do find it surprising, however, that Chucky takes a 'pro-Russia' position here...but, please, Senator Shumer speaks out of both sides of his mouth...he has a 'forked tongue'!

DzhaklinThreads: 3 Posts: 190 Joined: Dec 3, 07	Jun 11, 08, 16:24 / #
joepilsudski: SENATOR 'CHUCKY' SHUMER At first i read this and thought it said Senator 'CHUNKY' Shumer. Haha

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Jun 11, 08, 16:37 / #
Dzhaklin: At first i read this and thought it said Senator 'CHUNKY' Shumer. Haha Oh, he's 'chunky' too...another fat, double-talking 'swinie'.

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Edited by: Krzysztof Jun 10, 08, 21:07 / #
isthatu2: Call me an ignorent Brit You ignorant Brit, you :) Being a formally independent country doesn't give you the freedom of governing your country. Poland was independent only formally, but in reality it was like this: Polonius3: Russian hegemony over Eastern Europe Polonius3: Russia (...) to reassert itself in Eastern Europe—thereby, restoring the region to the status agreed upon at the historic Yalta Conference in 1945 isthatu2: plus he mentions Eastern Europe and most of ypu guys get sniffy and say Poland is central Europe It doesn't matter what we think, because in his mind Poland is probably part of the Eastern Europe, so he means Poland too. So if any US senator calls for this, he beats all the stupid things Polish politicians have ever said (homosexual Tinky Winky included).

LCzachorThreads: 6 Posts: 82 Joined: Dec 12, 07	Jun 10, 08, 23:15 / #
polishcanuck: polishcanuck Awesome! Thank you! I'll try to find out more about that:)

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jun 11, 08, 06:38 / #
MarcinD: Trust me, for someone that attended school in America it's rarely mentioned the number of POLES that died. It's all about the Jews, Also from USA I totally aggree with you. History of WW2 being Jewish/Nazi and maybe a few gays or Poles thrown in for good measure. Holocaust has become the one and only and is mandatory in our schools yet other "religions" are forbidden. How often have you read of the Jewish crimes? Yes, I said it, Jewish military under Soviets. Crimes directed toward Poles. polishcanuck: I just don't understand why the jews seem more hostile towards poles than the germans. This hostile reaction silences questions and if subjects like the ones here get close you will be called anti-semitic. How many Jewish in eastern Poland joinned Soviets in 1939?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 13, 08, 14:48 / #
later, Jews would complain because Poles and other Slavs dislike them. Jews sould just f*** off from Slavic bussines. instead to be part of Russia again, Poland should grab opportunity to restore its leading place in Slavic world. That rightfully belong to Poland, last core of glorious Sarmatia. Poland should form alliance with Serbia/Montenegro and Ukraine to support re-establishing of balance inside of Slavic world. Such an alliance would be then followed by Czeska, Slovakia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, even Hungary. Later even with Croatia after restoration of democracy in that country and liberation of Catholic and Orthodox Serbs from Croatian hegemony and, after redefinishion of Croatian borders on Pan-Slavic peace conference. Glory to Poland, proud doughter of Slavija!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 18, 09, 23:51 / #
What a meddling hound. That US Senator needs to splash some ice-cold water over his face and get his snout out of others business.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Mar 18, 09, 23:55 / #
Polonius3: “A strong Soviet Union provided a counterbalancing force to offset U.S. imperialism,” the Jewish-American senator contended. “In its absence, President Bush has been free to bully the world.” Now, I don't agree with this, but lets forget for a moment this guy is jewish and talking about the Soviet Union. Isn't this the same thing most of the world said about the Bush Administration?

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Mar 19, 09, 00:04 / #
Seanus: That US Senator needs to splash some ice-cold water over his face Charles Schumer is pain in ass,we may forget he's jew(the issue is not there),he's bloody Zionist and member fo AIPAC. He was resposible of blocking the port deal with UAE purely because it's muslim country.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Mar 19, 09, 00:06 / #
ragtime27: Charles Schumer is pain in ass,we may forget he's jew(the issue is not there),he's bloody Zionist and member fo AIPAC. I totally disagree with eastern Europe going back to Russia so that's not the point of me posting on this thread. I just have to point out how illogical this is. The one you are calling a zionist is condemning Bush for bullying the Arab world. Don't you see the irony?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Mar 19, 09, 00:13 / #
Schumer is third largest recipient of AIG's campaign contributions to federal candidates between 1989 and 2008. AIG is in hot water, so are many people associated with them (see ongoing bonus scandal). The guy is a crook. But then, few politicians aren't.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Mar 19, 09, 00:15 / #
Billions of tax dollars just went to AIG London offices.

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Mar 19, 09, 00:18 / #
I don't think the block is going back to Russia,however i see Russia gaining more power and challenging(back to cold war era). USA losing the grip of world affairs with Obama soft approach other countries will budge in. HatefulBunch397: condemning Bush for bullying the Arab world You must be kidding.........LOL.......he's a first class Zionist,this guy called the arabs skinhead.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Mar 19, 09, 00:21 / #
ragtime27: You must be kidding.........LOL.......he's a first class Zionist,this guy called the arabs skinhead. He said without the Soviet Union Bush was free to bully the world, and the "world" he chose to bully was the muslim world. That's where the US military is. I disagree with his statement about the Soviet Union but the part about the world getting bullied by Bush rings true. A zionist standing up for Arabs...who woulda thought?

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Mar 19, 09, 00:33 / #
He supported the Iraq war resolution,here's the irony if you looking for one. One thing i agree with you is he didn't get along with Bush and criticised him in every opportunity.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Mar 19, 09, 00:35 / #
ragtime27: He supported the Iraq war resolution,here's the irony if you looking for one. That is ironic. Typical politician who's always changing his mind.

ragtime27Threads: 1 Posts: 245 Joined: Feb 20, 09	Mar 19, 09, 00:52 / #
Here's another irony :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7938277.stm This guy is a nightmare,he's liability

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Mar 19, 09, 03:54 / #
Polonius3: Calling the post-Soviet world situation “an international disaster,” Senator Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) urged that U.S. policy “be directed toward supporting Prime Minister Putin's dream of eventually restoring Russian hegemony over Eastern Europe.” “A strong Soviet Union provided a counterbalancing force to offset U.S. imperialism,” the Jewish-American senator contended. “In its absence, President Bush has been free to bully the world.” Schumer argued that the “mutually assured destruction of the Cold War era helped keep American aggression in check. Now, there’s no telling what new atrocities will be perpetrated by this country.” As a start, Schumer insisted that all U.S. weapons and personnel be withdrawn from Europe. “U.S. forces are inhibiting an organic resolution of intra-European relations,” he said. “The Russians feel powerless and humiliated. The gains they won from defeating Hitler have been frittered away by weak leaders and American pressure. A withdrawal of our pressure would give Russia the confidence it needs to reassert itself in Eastern Europe—thereby, restoring the region to the status agreed upon at the historic Yalta Conference in 1945.” Schumer said he doesn’t expect much of a response to his initiative from the Bush Administration, but holds forth great hope that the U.S. presidential election this November will “lead to the necessary changes in U.S. policy. I am confident that a President Obama will get this done.” This Schumer is what you would call a shameless 'bullshit artist'...What he is really saying is 'give Poland and Russia to the Jews'...Well, the Jews still wield a lot of power in Russia, and I would imagine Poland too...With a clown like Kaczynski in there, how could they not?...Putin is more slippery, but I say he is a Russian, not 'Yiddinski marionettka'... But, in this world, one has a hard time figuring out what is what...the Jews are making their big push in America right now...