Joining forces with homophobic Polish MEPs will leave Britain .......

The group will include the Polish Law and Justice Party (PiS), which has banned gay rights marches for being "sexually obscene". Its co-founder Jaroslaw Kaczynski has said that homosexuality will cause the "downfall of civilisation". Another PiS MP has warned that Barack Obama's victory would mean "the end of the civilisation of the white man". Mr Hague has also held talks with a Latvian hardline nationalist party.

jojospacemunkyThreads: 4 Posts: 73 Joined: Apr 25, 09	May 4, 09, 01:20 / #
Just wondered what anyone thought about this: The group will include the Polish Law and Justice Party (PiS), which has banned gay rights marches for being "sexually obscene". Its co-founder Jaroslaw Kaczynski has said that homosexuality will cause the "downfall of civilisation". Another PiS MP has warned that Barack Obama's victory would mean "the end of the civilisation of the white man". Mr Hague has also held talks with a Latvian hardline nationalist party. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diplomats-anger-at-tory- plans-to-create-rightwing-eu-group-1678118.html hope the link works

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	May 17, 09, 13:41 / #
It's heartening to know that not all the polticial brass has succumbed to the aggressive pro-homo agenda and still are willing to call a spade a spade. Of course the triumph of all kind of loud, aggressive, and supposedly "trendy" forces including the pro-homosexual agitators, militant feminists, proliferating divorce ratres, single mothers, fatherless children and a refusal to set up familes have got to undermine the foundations of human society. The demographic shortfall in the West could theoretically be made up for through artifical insemination, but shouldn't there be an emtoional and spiritual dimension to human procreation? Or should we just breed like dogs or cattle?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 13:49 / #
What a joke, the world is already overpopulated so more gays could be a good thing from a demographical standpoint. What people do with informed consent behind closed doors (and stays there) cannot lead to the "downfall of civilisation". Jarosław K needs to fall off the nearest bridge, he is a bigot with no place in the 21st century. The foundation of human society is, always has been, and hopefully always will be diversity and the need for peaceful coexistence and tolerance. Pol3, what BS you put out. Pol3, please give me the percentage of gays in the world. They have such a minor impact on demography. Live and let live, laddie. They aren't harming you.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce May 17, 09, 13:49 / #
You should only know how much young, well-educated Polish people (esp. in Warszawa) laugh at the Kaczynski brothers (and also PiS). The young people determine the future politics, and for sure it will not be in favor of PiS.

fred_chopin	May 17, 09, 13:50 / #
Seanus: so more gays could be a good thing from a demographical standpoint If only we could introduce the Gay gene to the Muslim population...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 13:55 / #
LOL, I agree. Or the old 'Allah wants you to be gay' t-shirts. You know, viruses are introduced to alter things, why not the gay gene? ;) ;)

fred_chopin	May 17, 09, 14:02 / #
Seanus: Or the old 'Allah wants you to be gay' t-shirts. My next internet business!

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	May 17, 09, 14:03 / #
Isn't it strange that a tiny majority estimated at form 1-4 percent of the overall population in the West is so loud, pushy and aggressive, gets so much media play and is sowing so much confusion esp. among the young? No-one has ever proved that children are better off being raised to two daddies or two mummies or, two lesbians and a transvestite or even a mother and grandmother or any other configuration that deviates from a normal two-parent family. One need not be homophobic or homophilic to retain an ounce of common sense and not be terrorised or brainwashed by all the pro-homo hoopla. And all those whoa re wont to spread or fall for such poison, bear in mind one, well-known and documented fact: BE GAY AND DIE YOUNG! Any homosexual who is afraid or ashamed to come out is actually prolonging his life. Even one that has only sporadic sauna and public-toilet contacts is better off in terms of health and life expectancy that the heavily practicing permanent-partner or promiscuous homo.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08	May 17, 09, 14:10 / #
Polonius3: Isn't it strange that a tiny majority estimated at form 1-4 percent of the overall population in the West is so loud, pushy and aggressive, Majorities don't extend rights and freedoms to well-behaved and polite minorities, some degree of loud, pushy and aggressive is necessariy in any struggle for civil rights. Polonius3: No-one has ever proved that children are better off being raised to two daddies or two mummies or, two lesbians and a transvestite or even a mother and grandmother or any other configuration that deviates from a normal two-parent family. They haven't 'proved' that a 'normal' two-parent family is better for children either.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 14:13 / #
Sowing so much confusion? What do you mean? People make their own choices. Gay converts are VERY few and far between. Do you want radical Islam in the world, Pol3? Well, it's a reality, just like a kid with 2 dads. Why not kill off everything that isn't normal? Is that what you are saying? I have red hair, should I be swept off and done away with because I'm not normal? You have to let people make choices, Pol3. I keep saying it, they don't harm you. Brainwashed? Don't be daft, they are just spreading their message. Politicians do the same, do you listen to them? Just because you don't like the message, doesn't mean it should be banned. You can always ignore it!!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 14:27 / #
Exactly, you are seeing the shortcomings of conservative Polish reasoning, SP. They will never win a rational argument as their central premise is one of emotional objection. The RCC maybe didn't teach such people to rationally think, more just take a 'principled' position on sth without discussing its attendant issues. He clearly hasn't been to many public toilets or saunas ;) ;)

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: jonni May 17, 09, 14:27 / #
Polonius3: those whoa re wont to spread or fall for such poison, bear in mind one, well-known and documented fact: BE GAY AND DIE YOUNG! Any homosexual who is afraid or ashamed to come out is actually prolonging his life. Even one that has only sporadic sauna and public-toilet contacts is better off in terms of health and life expectancy that the heavily practicing permanent-partner or promiscuous homo. Oh dear!! Methinks the Polonius3 doth protest too much :-) What "well-known fact"? Well known by whom? In healthy urban societies, gay men and women are no longer "afraid or ashamed to come out". There are no statistics about gay men and lesbians dying earlier due to coming out. sporadic sauna and public toilet contacts"". Wow - he certainly knows a little about some (minor) aspects of our subculture. But not that much, since the "public-toilet" stuff was consigned to history due to the decrease in public toilet facilities in recent years and the advent of the internet. That and the fact that gay men are less likely to enter heterosexual marriage and look for solace in such places. They were largely for married men - that demographic group (gay married men) certainly still exists, but doesn't need public toilets any more. And the dying young myth doesn't quite fit with the fast growing market for LGBT elderly care facilities. About the rumours of a PiS/BNP coalition in the European Parliament and its effect on gay men and lesbians. There will be no effect. PiS (led by the 'confirmed bachelor' Jarosław Kaczyński) is a spent political force, discredited in their own country, and the BNP are taking advantage of the two British parties moving ideologically closer. Both have an ageing poorly-educated provincial electorate. And LGBT life thrives regardless of these clowns. The bars, clubs and even saunas in Warsaw and London are getting busier and busier.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser May 17, 09, 15:26 / #
This should be neither pro-hetero or pro-homo. Sexuality is a private matter. Neither those who would wish to beat homos or those parade-perverts deserve a good word. They deserve to be lectured about liberalism and how people should behave in public places. If they refuse to abide then this is something for police and courts to deal with.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser May 17, 09, 15:48 / #
Polonius3: I agree, and letting pro-homo agitators into schools to brainwish hapless kids should also be agaisnt the law. I don't even approve the idea of public education. Let be honest, this is just they way how governments brainwash crowds from the start. The only correct policy run by government killing pluralism and science.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce May 17, 09, 14:21 / #
Polonius3: Even one that has only sporadic sauna and public-toilet contacts is better off in terms of health and life expectancy that the heavily practicing permanent-partner or promiscuous homo. You can't seriously mean that loose contacts are safer than having a life-long relationship (no sex with other people)? If you are homosexual and only have sex with one person, and that person doesn't have sex with other people. And you tested for STD before, the probability of getting STD is not higher than for heterosexuals living under same conditions.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	May 17, 09, 14:24 / #
All this alternative decadence is providing ammuniton for the powers of Islam who feel more and more justified to strike out against the moral rot of the West. I am not speaking of elimination. Let them sodomise each other (BTW do they take turns or is the same one always penetated?) in the privacy of their own bedrooms and leave the rest of society alone. Most people do not want militant pro-homo agitators trying to brainwashing kids in kindergartens and schools, and that is precisely what all those organised groups are doing.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	May 17, 09, 14:31 / #
Seanus: What a joke, the world is already overpopulated so more gays could be a good thing from a demographical standpoint. SzwedwPolsce: young, well-educated Polish people (esp. in Warszawa) laugh at the Kaczynski brothers All true, but this is also true: jojospacemunky: gay rights marches (are) "sexually obscene"

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 14:36 / #
Show us some proof then, Dariusz. Back up your defence with something other than a blanket declaration that it's the "truth".

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	May 17, 09, 15:10 / #
If The PF is represenative of an average cross-section of Poles, Polonians and people interested in things Polish, why are the pro-homo forces so over-represented here? Shouldn't there be 95-96% pro-hetero voices and only 4-5% pro-homo ones?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 15:30 / #
Precisely, lesser. Spot on!!

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	May 17, 09, 15:31 / #
I agree, and letting pro-homo agitators into schools to brainwish hapless kids should also be agaisnt the law.

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	May 17, 09, 15:54 / #
Seanus: Do you want radical Islam in the world, Pol3? You answered your question yourself in your previous post. fred_chopin: introduce the Gay gene to the Muslim Seanus: LOL, I agree Exactly. Seanus: so more gays could be a good thing is a bogus statement and totally not true. More gays = less children. In few years in the West you'll see westernes in this format: M+M=2, or W+W=2 and Moslem people conquering Europe in this format: M+W=14. Where exactly do you see 'good' in this? Seanus: You have to let people make choices Make choices, yes, but I don't appreciate people, especially youngsters in schools, being imposed with this aggressive homo way of living and FORCED to accept it and BE like it, or else they would be labeled 'homophobic'.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Edited by: Ironside May 17, 09, 18:02 / #
Seanus: What a joke, the world is already overpopulated so more gays could be a good thing from a demographical standpoint. Reality check. European societies are shrinking and to make possible for economic of the European country's to work there wont be enough people to fill all vacancies. I wonder if system of public education, health service, retainment and all so called benefits of the wealthfare state is tailored to force immigration from poorer country's but with booming births rates. Mostly Islamic, instead of promotion the bigger families in Europe. It seems to me like recipe for brewing troubles, for what?NWO? Bulid on the destroyed fabric of the European societies? As for gays, from my personal experience, two of my acquittance's are gay : female and male both have a children - about six between them . There goes your theory.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 19:18 / #
What theory, Ironside? I implied above that gays can adopt and have a kid (cuz they can). You should address that to ET above who has a clearer opinion on the matter. Youngsters are not FORCED to accept it at all. How can you make non-gay people feel gay through words? What a ridiculous opinion and typical of right-wing Catholic rot. Muslim people conquering Europe? A bit paranoid, are we? Who holds the cards? Maybe you guys should get out your megaphones and organise a 'Have Children' campaign. Maybe you should oust the Muslims and castrate them all? ;) ;)

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser May 17, 09, 19:29 / #
Seanus: I implied above that gays can adopt and have a kid (cuz they can) Really? Where? What is the name of this sh*thole? Seanus: Muslim people conquering Europe? A bit paranoid, are we? Who holds the cards? Conquering, not at all just make children. Muslims are not to blame, Europe simply don't want to survive.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 19:40 / #
Quite a few countries actually. Belgium, Denmark, Holland, the UK and Spain being just a few. If they are sh*tholes, I don't know the name for Poland. On your second point, I agree. The EEC (back in 1957) was started as a conciliatory gesture based on guilt, hardly the soundest of foundations for future harmonisation and unity. Muslims are just doing what they are entitled to and what comes naturally to them.

PolishCowboyThreads: 1 Posts: 64 Joined: Jan 30, 09	May 17, 09, 20:29 / #
Seanus: If they are shtholes, I don't know the name for Poland. Never, ever mention shtholes until you have spent a week in Detroit. That is the zenith of Sh*tholes.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 20:33 / #
I've heard that it's horrible. I've seen the outskirts, though only in pictures. Poland is actually very beautiful in parts. I don't mind those who speak out against gay parades as I find gays to be too flamboyant and showy (those in the tv parades). Still, many Poles take it too far and you will see this if you stay on this thread. Kaczyński has made his views well known and needs to rap up. Who cares what he thinks about gays anyway? It's a private matter and his snout had better clear off.

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	May 17, 09, 20:57 / #
I am veeery tolerant to gay issue, I have made lots of gay friends in America, some of them reeeeeeally close friends, yet I will always speak against this aggressive promotion of homo way of living.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 17, 09, 21:01 / #
So would you say that the buffoon, J Kaczyński, is wrong for talking of the "downfall of civilisation"?