majority of ex-soviets say communisim was better

HWPiel:

I've met dozens of Poles over in Kelly Square in Worcester, MA; most just off the jet. One thing is for certain, newly emigrated Poles are like Red Sox fans... meaning, they complain a lot and really have no reason to do so. I've heard more complaints about politics/healthcare/jobs in Canada and the USA, yet my cousins do not return to the motherland; when I ask them if they miss being a satellite state under the thumb of Moscow they all say "oh no".

Ehh, the economics in the USA have been miserable for the last years, but does it equate to going back to communist rule? Waiting in lines for bread, meat and "stuff"? Purges? Political police?

I was in high school in 1983 when the movie, "Moscow on the Hudson" came out. It was about a ruskie loyalist who at the last minute defects in New York City; I saw the movie a month ago and it was really a good flick. It was about immigrants/emigration/freedom.

As flawed as America is, and we are, I love the amendments and rights we have in place.

Henry

masks98Threads: 32 Posts: 374 Joined: Apr 10, 08	Mar 7, 09, 13:59 / #
Gallup poll on the topic says that quality of life has deteriorated since the fall of communism. It doesn't seem that Poland was included in the survey. Do you think it's still too soon to tell whether the region will benefit from communism, or was communism alright- minus the big headed bureaucrats who thought killing their own citizens and lying about everything was the way to go? http://www.gallup.com/poll/28729/Hardships-Still-Common-Former-Soviet- Nations.aspx

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Mar 7, 09, 22:46 / #
There have been several polls showing that the majority of Polish people think Poland and their lives have improved since 1991. Actually I have never met any Polish people that would like to have com. back.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,387 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Mar 7, 09, 22:50 / #
SzwedwPolsce: There have been several polls showing that the majority of Polish people think Poland and their lives have improved since 1991. Actually I have never met any Polish people that would like to have com. back. True. Life standard has greatly improved in Poland. People live longer etc etc. In the former Soviet Union the economic and political situation as well as people`s condition has worsened, that is why they idealise communism and regret its collapse.

HWPielThreads: 1 Posts: 83 Joined: Oct 10, 08	Mar 10, 09, 02:49 / #
I've met dozens of Poles over in Kelly Square in Worcester, MA; most just off the jet. One thing is for certain, newly emigrated Poles are like Red Sox fans... meaning, they complain a lot and really have no reason to do so. I've heard more complaints about politics/healthcare/jobs in Canada and the USA, yet my cousins do not return to the motherland; when I ask them if they miss being a satellite state under the thumb of Moscow they all say "oh no". Ehh, the economics in the USA have been miserable for the last years, but does it equate to going back to communist rule? Waiting in lines for bread, meat and "stuff"? Purges? Political police? I was in high school in 1983 when the movie, "Moscow on the Hudson" came out. It was about a ruskie loyalist who at the last minute defects in New York City; I saw the movie a month ago and it was really a good flick. It was about immigrants/emigration/freedom. As flawed as America is, and we are, I love the amendments and rights we have in place. Henry

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Mar 10, 09, 03:36 / #
HWPiel: I've met dozens of Poles over in Kelly Square in Worcester, MA; most just off the jet. One thing is for certain, newly emigrated Poles are like Red Sox fans... meaning, they complain a lot and really have no reason to do so. I've heard more complaints about politics/healthcare/jobs in Canada and the USA, yet my cousins do not return to the motherland; when I ask them if they miss being a satellite state under the thumb of Moscow they all say "oh no". Ehh, the economics in the USA have been miserable for the last years, but does it equate to going back to communist rule? Waiting in lines for bread, meat and "stuff"? Purges? Political police? I was in high school in 1983 when the movie, "Moscow on the Hudson" came out. It was about a ruskie loyalist who at the last minute defects in New York City; I saw the movie a month ago and it was really a good flick. It was about immigrants/emigration/freedom. As flawed as America is, and we are, I love the amendments and rights we have in place. Henry You are right.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Mar 10, 09, 04:33 / #
masks, under communism if you were a leech, you were doing just great. if you had any ambition, you were dead in the water.. in general. the leeches are crying now, the rest are glad to be free.

JucheThreads: 13 Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Edited by: Juche Mar 10, 09, 10:57 / #
masks98: Gallup poll on the topic says that quality of life has deteriorated since the fall of communism. soviet union very good communistic! observe negative antisocialistic tendency in East Europe and ask yourself are such citizens happy being depraved of right to sing patriotic songs and march to drill music and every day eat delicious cabbage soup and porridge?? answer is no! no more monuments erected in public place are proof of people's lack of joy in the new systems devoted to exploit labour forces.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Mar 10, 09, 18:48 / #
Juche: no more monuments erected in public place are proof of people's lack of joy in the new systems devoted to exploit labour forces. There was statue of Lenin in Kraków. Brave students, I suppose, would put an old bicycle and a pair of shoes between his legs and paint a sign which read: "Bież ten rower i te buty i spierdalaj z Nowej Huty." Maybe someone will translate it for you. It has a nice rhyme to it.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Mar 10, 09, 19:13 / #
1jola: "Bież ten rower i te buty i spierdalaj z Nowej Huty." lol. that's great. :D

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Mar 10, 09, 20:08 / #
masks98: It doesn't seem that Poland was included in the survey. Poland was not included because Poland was never part of the soviet-Union.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Mar 10, 09, 23:06 / #
Mr Grunwald: There are you mistaken! I can remember that a large part of Poland was in Soviet Union until 1991! But they all got "given/anexed" to/by Lithuania&Belarus&Ukraine I personally have nothing against it aslong they respect the left overs of Poland -_- Ah ha, there is a trick here you see, as a country Poland was never in SU. But before the war Poland had Eastern territories, this I will give you. But this Gallup poll was about SU not the Poland of that era. Please correct me if I am wrong, I am not an expert.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Mar 11, 09, 11:58 / #
Right, Juche, he hasn't experienced the joys of working in a kolhoz or a labour camp. This might change as the re-education camps are coming soon to the neighborhood near you. Anti-semites, Holocaust-deniers, class enemies, beware.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Mar 11, 09, 13:15 / #
Juche: this is obvious because you have never experienced joyous feeling of working for the commune or thrilling sensation of marching to military drill music. ... or standing in sub zero temperatures queuing for bread singing Kalinka at the top of your voice

JucheThreads: 13 Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Mar 13, 09, 09:59 / #
szarlotka: .. or standing in sub zero temperatures queuing for bread singing Kalinka at the top of your voice must sacrifice sometime, no? easy life breeds apathy and stupidity not to mention counter revolutinary tendencies whcih must be stamped out harshly and with vigor.

Olek SThreads: - Posts: 25 Joined: Mar 10, 09	Mar 10, 09, 20:11 / #
I was born in the Soviet Union, but I do not say communism was better.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Mar 10, 09, 23:02 / #
SeanBM: Poland was not included because Poland was never part of the soviet-Union. There are you mistaken! I can remember that a large part of Poland was in Soviet Union until 1991! But they all got "given/anexed" to/by Lithuania&Belarus&Ukraine I personally have nothing against it aslong they respect the left overs of Poland -_-

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 10, 09, 23:37 / #
SeanBM: But before the war Poland had Eastern territories, this I will give you. But this Gallup poll was about SU not the Poland of that era. Thats because of the death toll from the area in the east, the rest could not return to Communist Poland as they would have joinned the rest of their families. Juche: soviet union very good communistic! Communist SU was barbaric and they took the baltic states on the blood of innocent victims. How can we defend a system that killed as many as Hitler. Would we be talking about this so calmly if it was a poll in Germany about Hitler?

JucheThreads: 13 Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Mar 11, 09, 11:06 / #
Olek S: I was born in the Soviet Union, but I do not say communism was better this is obvious because you have never experienced joyous feeling of working for the commune or thrilling sensation of marching to military drill music.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Mar 13, 09, 10:00 / #
Juche: vigor. spot the American

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Mar 13, 09, 17:38 / #
Juche: must sacrifice sometime, no? Sacrifice should not include genocide. We are talking about a system that felt killing your own was a good thing.