Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS

TheOther:

Well, that's the question. Just imagine that the majority of Poles working in Ireland and GB all of a sudden comes back home. I don't think the Polish economy could handle this without being severely hit.

TheOther:

Anyway, I'm just trying to understand the motivation of the Polish people to vote for certain parties in large numbers,

TheOther:

and what would happen in case of an economical crisis.

mikeyst25Threads: 5 Posts: 16 Joined: Oct 27, 09	Oct 28, 09, 22:08 / #
POLISH PEOPLE Like that FAT BASTARD SLD Kalisz & Why

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Oct 28, 09, 22:10 / #
mikeyst25: POLISH PEOPLE Like that FAT BASTARD SLD Kalisz & Why I see you're being influenced by your cousins.. or are you drowning your "being in Gliwic doing nothing" woes?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 28, 09, 22:16 / #
Many members of the Polish public talk a good game but I doubt if they could do any better. That's a good question to which I have no answer. Tusk likely had a glossy manifesto, full of florid terms and enabling measures designed to give more voice to the people but who knows, right?

mikeyst25Threads: 5 Posts: 16 Joined: Oct 27, 09	Oct 28, 09, 22:20 / #
frd maybe but my dad in america and gots TVN24 AND HE IS ADDICTED TO POLISH TELEVISION HE WAS BORN IN DEBICA THAT'S WHY HE WANTS THE Communism TO Stop In POLAND AND I AGREE WITH MY DAD

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Oct 28, 09, 22:25 / #
What Poles tend to conveniently forget is that they had communistic factions in their ranks NOT through imposition. Take Cyrankiewicz, for example. The guy was in power for more than 20 years and was an active communist. There were many more like him.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Edited by: frd Oct 28, 09, 23:11 / #
mikeyst25: AND I AGREE WITH MY DAD On the internet typing in capitals is recieved as shouting, so could you stop using it please? Inheriting political views without the underlaying knowledge is same in every family... PIS is loosing because it had damaged the international image of Poland by causing various scandals. Looking at the latest events PiS was exactly the same old-boy network as PO is, and that's how politics work - lobbing. Friend will always help another friend and you won't runaway from it by changing factions. Beside it is full of people befuddled with hatred - all of their actions are based on trying to prove that PO is doing something wrong and has members with shady pasts, they don't have their own ideas they are just trying to gain more voters with swindling and bickering. Beside PiS is a socialist party and they social politics are flawed, the fact noticed by a huge number of people.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Oct 29, 09, 12:53 / #
Most people I talk with hate PiS, and especially Kaczyński; they just can't say why, but they know they do.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Oct 29, 09, 12:57 / #
mikeyst25: Man Why Do People Like PO Instead Of PIS When it comes to politics in Poland...i would definatly take the pis....

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Oct 29, 09, 13:15 / #
Under the brief rule of PiS, the communist (Stalinist even) judges and prosecutors stopped receiving huge pensions. Bravo! If it weren't for the left (PO and SLD), the archives would be opened fully and the ex-communists would have to find refuge in Cuba and not in prestigeous positions they occupy now. PO and SLD are strongly against that. This is the extent of PiS' so-called hatred.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Oct 29, 09, 13:23 / #
1jola: Most people I talk with hate PiS, and especially Kaczyński; they just can't say why, but they know they do. Because of his policy towards our army and treatment of soldiers from Afghanistan, because of cheap law enforcement provocations his party did which were straight out of Stalinist times. Because he entered the shield agreement, because his party continued to f*ck with our shipyards, because he destroyed our perception abroad, because he screwed with Russia and Germany more then he should. That said PO is almost as bad.

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09	Oct 29, 09, 14:58 / #
When I think of PIS the first thing that comes to my mind is Giertych, Rydzyk, Młodzież Wszechpolska and Jesus officially and with all seriousness crowned as King of Poland...

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Oct 29, 09, 15:31 / #
1jola Though they were (with the obvious exception of Jesus) PIS coalition partners. Lepper too. The brief and unhappy PiS regime, during which Premier marcinkiewicz had to be smuggled through the fire exit if Chatham House in London due to the Poles demonstrating outside, can be characterised by the famous quote from Jarosław K. about corruption, "teraz kurwa my", in English "now it's our f***ing turn".

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09	Oct 29, 09, 15:32 / #
1jola PIS was in a coalition with LPR, so they are partially responsible for everything Giertych came up with. And he came up with Młodzież Wszechpolska. Also, PIS was backed by Rydzyk. And it was during the reign of PIS that some genius thought it proper to propose crowning Jesus. I'm not saying PIS is directly responsible for everything, but that they are in some way associated with all those things, so I would rather not be associated with them.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Oct 29, 09, 16:18 / #
We are lacking altogether honest politicians. Period. No, I didn't like PiS either, but I saw a chance to right some of the wrongs left over from the communist times. PiS made an effort to do something about removing the communists left over in key positions and reforming the justice system. Had PiS had a majority in parliament without having to make a embarassing coalition with LPR and SO, things could have gone differently. For God's sake, we still have statues glorifying the Soviet invader in Warsaw! Mikke would plough this over.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Oct 29, 09, 14:36 / #
I can't think of another time in history when there were so many corruption scandals at the same time as at present under PO.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Oct 29, 09, 14:40 / #
I can't think of another time in history when the international image of Poland was dirtied so much as it was during the reign of PIS.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Oct 29, 09, 15:21 / #
vetala That's because you have no clue. None of those are PiS.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Oct 29, 09, 15:45 / #
vetala You probably don't understand how our parliment works so I see how you blame PiS for being forced to make coalitions. I also immediately associate PO and SLD with communist filth. They are cut from the same cloth. Name something PO has done so far for this country that they promissed to do.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Oct 29, 09, 15:48 / #
1jola: I also immediately associate PO and SLD with communist filth. They are cut from the same cloth. Come on Jola i agree with you but do you honestly believe PiS was any better?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Oct 29, 09, 16:21 / #
1jola: I saw a chance to right some of the wrongs left over from the communist times. There was a time to put things right when communism fell, right now lustration would hurt too many innocents to be worth it. 1jola: PiS made an effort to do something about removing the communists left over in key positions and reforming the justice system. Again its tricky, for example Kwaśniewski despite being a former commie was a very good president who understood the dynamics of working with Russia, not all former communists are the devil and PiS went ballistic with their strategy. 1jola: For God's sake, we still have statues glorifying the Soviet invader in Warsaw! They're slowly going down though.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Oct 29, 09, 16:43 / #
Sokrates: There was a time to put things right when communism fell, Tusk and company were involved in preventing that from happening. Sokrates: Kwaśniewski despite being a former commie was a very good president who understood the dynamics of working with Russia You can't be serious. During those 10 years the KGB and Polish communists were splitting our industry 50/50. Sokrates: right now lustration would hurt too many innocents to be worth it. That's exactly the argument of SB agents. Sokrates: They're slowly going down though. Ah, yes, let's give people a chance to get used to the idea that the Soviets were invaders. We wouldn't want make a clean break. In fact, we didn't and the people of SLD and PO are very comfortable with that. The rest o the useful idiots think communism somehow disappeared. Nowhere to be found. Poof!

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Edited by: frd Oct 29, 09, 16:57 / #
Yeah the only thing they did was creating the famous Macieriewicz's ( who by the way is a crazy believer with insanity sparkling in his eyes) list, the list was not created thoroughfully so it consisted of completely innocent people, it also included data of people who worked in foreign countries as Polish secret agents - due to that very fact it eroded polish credibility as a country. Rambling about communists nowadays should be left to driveling, foam spouting old man, mccarthyism at its finest. Nearly every "nail to PO's coffin"ricocheted back into PiS. It happened all the time since the very beginning of their scandal mongering and it shows how flawed the party is.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Oct 29, 09, 17:02 / #
1jola: Tusk and company were involved in preventing that from happening. I know. 1jola: You can't be serious. During those 10 years the KGB and Polish communists were splitting our industry 50/50. Thats why i say we should have dealth with communists directly after the communism fell, now we're stuck with them for another 5-10 years. 1jola: That's exactly the argument of SB agents. Its also true.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09	Edited by: TheOther Oct 29, 09, 17:14 / #
Sokrates: now we're stuck with them for another 5-10 years Look at the former GDR - they are still stuck with the commies after 20 years. The only difference to the past: instead of being incarcerated by those SED criminals, people vote for them in free elections nowadays (for a reason). Are you really sure that Poland will get rid of the communists within the next 5 to 10 years?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Oct 29, 09, 17:21 / #
TheOther: Are you really sure that Poland will get rid of the communists within the next 5 to 10 years? Yep, Polish political scene is much more dynamic then Eastern Germany which is much more stable due to the provincial nature of its politics. Also communism in Germany was not that bad since Russia pumped money into it so there's no great push to come clean from the populace which was at the time much more indoctrinated then the Poles.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09	Edited by: TheOther Oct 29, 09, 17:23 / #
Sokrates What would happen if the Polish economy tanks and you have unemployment rates of 20% and more like in East Germany?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Oct 29, 09, 17:27 / #
TheOther: What will happen if the Polish economy tanks and you have unemployment rates of 20% and more like in East Germany? Not going to happen, Poland has less reserves then Germany but it also has a much leaner social system which brings down all the Western economies, we''ve deal with the crisis better then any country in Europe, for our economy to collapse it'd have to be a general European trend.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09	Edited by: TheOther Oct 29, 09, 17:31 / #
Sokrates: Not going to happen Well, that's the question. Just imagine that the majority of Poles working in Ireland and GB all of a sudden comes back home. I don't think the Polish economy could handle this without being severely hit. Anyway, I'm just trying to understand the motivation of the Polish people to vote for certain parties in large numbers, and what would happen in case of an economical crisis.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Oct 29, 09, 18:02 / #
TheOther: Well, that's the question. Just imagine that the majority of Poles working in Ireland and GB all of a sudden comes back home. I don't think the Polish economy could handle this without being severely hit. It handled them without being severely hit before they left, but seriously why would there be such an exodus? TheOther: Anyway, I'm just trying to understand the motivation of the Polish people to vote for certain parties in large numbers, Much of the electorate of PiS were simple people from the country prone to soak up the populist crap, PO won mainly as a counter to PiS, i myself voted not as much for PO as against PiS. TheOther: and what would happen in case of an economical crisis. Collapse of the current party system and erection of a new one, hopefully better. Current political elites are completely incapable of dealing with any major issue.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Oct 29, 09, 18:06 / #
1jola: Most people I talk with hate PiS, and especially Kaczyński; they just can't say why, but they know they do. this is an important observation - they were conditioned to hating Kaczyńskis (look up media)