Nobility / Aristocracy in Poland ?

ShelleyS:

She's living in a dream land! (that was polite shelley for "she's talking bollox) Next she'll be telling us that Latin is obligatory to get into Oxford or Cambridge!
Latin is not obligatory to get into Oxford or Cambridge, although it would help. French however is.
lexi:
The majority of ex-pats live in France for the weather and the wine and very little else. Half of them don't even speak the French language, or they murder it.
Do you know the majority of ex-pats that live in France?
Do you know the droves that are leaving the Uk for France?

lexi:
There is a huge difference between unforgiving and disliking something.
I still don't get what you are going on about, do you think that most English people are still hung up about the Norman invasion? I expect you think that we'd like to stand on Senlac Hill and have a re-match? PMSL!

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08	May 18, 09, 18:09 / #
oh, youre too young for this part of the story

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	May 18, 09, 18:10 / #
Some of you really have inferiority complex...

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	May 18, 09, 18:13 / #
McCoy: oh, youre too young for this part of the story I am 18 shoot! lesser: Some of you really have inferiority complex... Why not? My family sacreficed what they had for the freedom of their country and many other noblemen did the same thing. (I look down upon people who are not patriotic since it's proved that peasents also did fight for their country)

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	May 18, 09, 18:20 / #
Mr Grunwald: I look down upon people who are not patriotic since it's proved that peasents also did fight for their country) So the essence of patriotism must be vote for PSL :)

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq May 18, 09, 18:26 / #
Talking about French aristocracy - I remember that old song, sung by the people of France some 200 years ago... Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira les aristocrates à la lanterne! Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira les aristocrates on les pendra! Edith Piaf sang it in "Si Versailles m'était conté": http://edith-piaf.narod.ru/3/Le_Ca_ira.mp3 They must have done something wrong, those noble aristocrats, to pi*s people off that much LOL

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	May 18, 09, 18:30 / #
Torq: They must have done something wrong, those noble aristocrats, to **** people off that much LOL With the British of course, we can never really forgive them. That is despite the fact that they speak a wonderful language, and could probably make any language sound great.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	May 18, 09, 18:52 / #
lesser: So the essence of patriotism must be vote for PSL :) You misunderstood me, the essence of Polish noblemen is to confront unpatriotic persons not peasents :) I got to admit that many noblemen have different view on peasents then others

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	May 18, 09, 19:06 / #
Torq: Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira les aristocrates à la lanterne! Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira les aristocrates on les pendra! If I would be a king of France at that time, it would be 'nice' massacre! Mr Grunwald: You misunderstood me, the essence of Polish noblemen is to confront unpatriotic persons not peasents :) Only one question left, what is really patriotic and what is not?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	May 18, 09, 19:51 / #
Mr Grunwald: I got to admit that many noblemen have different view on peasents then others Peasants, black people, jews, liberals and Harry need to know their place.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	May 18, 09, 23:32 / #
lesser: Only one question left, what is really patriotic and what is not? Patriotic= Love your country Unpatriotic = not loving your country

anubisThreads: - Posts: 37 Joined: Apr 22, 09	May 18, 09, 23:57 / #
I hold with dear Samuel Johnson: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

SRK85Threads: - Posts: 75 Joined: Mar 30, 09	May 19, 09, 04:16 / #
I am of Polish nobility however most Polish nobles left Poland a long time ago. I still doubt Poland has a confederation of Polish nobility?

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	May 19, 09, 04:22 / #
SRK85: I am of Polish nobility however most Polish nobles left Poland a long time ago. Check again.( examples only Czartoryski, Zamoyski ) Maybe you are not of Polish nobility after all?!

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon May 19, 09, 04:27 / #
here you have list of Polish coat of Arms : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_Coats_of_Arms Take anny coat of arm ... for example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nałęcz_Coat_of_Arms and check one of names listed on the right side, lets take Baczkowski: http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/baczkowski.html You have 258 people with this name which has noble origin ... Most Polish nobility mixed with population ... and simple durring communism this people haven't been murdered like in most other communistic countries. Most of them are simple citizens - and noble origin is just curiosity.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	May 18, 09, 23:36 / #
french_noble: I belong to French aristocracy u mean one of your ancestors was the King's bumboy?

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	May 19, 09, 05:10 / #
Salomon: Most Polish nobility mixed with population ... and ... communism There were some who left Poland as well as many who didn't. Right at the top of the nobility is monarchy. There are many drama queens on this forum, but most couldn't be classified as noble.

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon May 19, 09, 05:17 / #
osiol: There were some who left Poland as well as many who didn't. Oh well check more names form this coat of arms : http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/baranowski.html http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/sadowski.html http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/korzeniowski.html http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/wojciechowski.html Only 4 names from the list of this coat of arms. And you have more than 60 000 people ... osiol: There are many drama queens on this forum, but most couldn't be classified as noble. Oh well ... :)

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	May 19, 09, 14:45 / #
Not everyone has it updated at the internet, my family has a picture of their coat of arms. Also my uncle has a signet ring! :)

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	May 19, 09, 16:14 / #
lexi: With the British of course, we can never really forgive them. I wish people wouldn't make such flipant remarks, FYI Lexi there are more people in the UK that like the French than like the minorities you like! FYI Lexi there are 1,000's of ex-pats who have been living in France for years and we are still moving to France in our droves, so much for not liking the French! Oh just in case you didn't know French is the most popular language taken by GCSE students in England.

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	May 19, 09, 18:40 / #
ShelleyS: Lexi there are 1,000's of ex-pats who have been living in France for years and we are still moving to France in our droves, so much for not liking the French! Oh just in case you didn't know French is the most popular language taken by GCSE students in England. I never said I did not like the French, if you quote something of this nature please have the evidence to back it up. There is a huge difference between unforgiving and disliking something. The majority of ex-pats live in France for the weather and the wine and very little else. Half of them don't even speak the French language, or they murder it. The reason why French is "obligratory" in schools, is quite simple without it you cannot get into some of the best universities in the uk.

ZosiaThreads: 3 Posts: 55 Joined: Aug 3, 08	May 19, 09, 20:43 / #
wow, some people on this forum really got their panties in knot about this topic. he was just asking a question......at least try and answer it nicely...sheesh.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	May 19, 09, 23:48 / #
lexi: without it you cannot get into some of the best universities in the uk. are u sure>?!

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	May 20, 09, 01:26 / #
Zosia: wow, some people on this forum am I among them? PLZ Don't condemn me! Nooooooo!

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	May 20, 09, 03:05 / #
Mr Grunwald: Patriotic= Love your country Unpatriotic = not loving your country This only works if one's country is a "fatherland" if one's country is a "motherland" then logically one would have to be matriotic. In English, being non-person nouns, countries are usually rendered as neuter, but like boats and other vessels, they can be referred to in the feminine. Also, Britannia is feminine. Polska is feminine. La France is feminine. So instantly most posters on this thread should find patriotism an impossibility. - Lord Osiol of Donkeyshire

ZosiaThreads: 3 Posts: 55 Joined: Aug 3, 08	May 20, 09, 03:45 / #
[quote=Mr Grunwald] am I among them? PLZ Don't condemn me! Nooooooo! are your panties in a knot? no, then you're ok. ;)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,900 Joined: May 17, 07	May 20, 09, 10:19 / #
french_noble: if there's still a kind of class called aristocracy or nobility in Poland Yes,there are about 1 million barons,5 million dukes and 500000 princes in Poland.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	May 20, 09, 10:38 / #
niejestemcapita: are u sure>?! She's living in a dream land! (that was polite shelley for "she's talking bollox) Next she'll be telling us that Latin is obligatory to get into Oxford or Cambridge! lexi: The majority of ex-pats live in France for the weather and the wine and very little else. Half of them don't even speak the French language, or they murder it. Do you know the majority of ex-pats that live in France? lexi: There is a huge difference between unforgiving and disliking something. I still don't get what you are going on about, do you think that most English people are still hung up about the Norman invasion? I expect you think that we'd like to stand on Senlac Hill and have a re-match? PMSL!

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Feb 17, 09	May 20, 09, 16:20 / #
ShelleyS: She's living in a dream land! (that was polite shelley for "she's talking bollox) Next she'll be telling us that Latin is obligatory to get into Oxford or Cambridge! Latin is not obligatory to get into Oxford or Cambridge, although it would help. French however is. lexi: The majority of ex-pats live in France for the weather and the wine and very little else. Half of them don't even speak the French language, or they murder it. Do you know the majority of ex-pats that live in France? Do you know the droves that are leaving the Uk for France? lexi: There is a huge difference between unforgiving and disliking something. I still don't get what you are going on about, do you think that most English people are still hung up about the Norman invasion? I expect you think that we'd like to stand on Senlac Hill and have a re-match? PMSL! Please read up on history before exchanging such a futile response.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,340 Joined: Feb 20, 07	May 20, 09, 16:59 / #
Points of Order Mr. Speaker, errm Mr. Speaker are you there? French is not obligatory in English schools. A modern langauage is. My lads all chose Spanish cos it's easier. Ergo it is not required to enter univeristy here, unless of course you want to study French. ipsa scientia potestas est

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	May 20, 09, 17:40 / #
lexi: Please read up on history before exchanging such a futile response. Now that is what I call a futile response....:) szarlotka: A modern langauage is Not even that, these days...:(