Nobility / Aristocracy in Poland ?

french_noble:

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if there's still a kind of class called aristocracy or nobility in Poland, or sthg like that ?

I'm asking the question because I'm in Warsaw right now, I belong to French aristocracy and I'd like to meet nobles over here.

Cheers.
French Noble.

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 189 Joined: Feb 17, 09 Gender: Female	May 20, 09, 18:04 / #61
niejestemcapita: Now that is what I call a futile response....:) "Never argue in the face of ignorance", that is what I was taught, and it is so true!

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,072 Joined: Feb 20, 07 Gender: Male	May 20, 09, 18:04 / #62
niejestemcapita: Not even that, these days...:( It is still compulsory at key Stage 3 but kiddiewinks can drop it at Key Stage 4 (ie duck out of horrid GCSEs in French or German or Spanish)

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,649 Joined: Jun 26, 07 Gender: Female	Edited by: ShelleyS May 20, 09, 18:19 / #63
szarlotka: It is still compulsory at key Stage 3 but kiddiewinks can drop it at Key Stage 4 (ie duck out of horrid GCSEs in French or German or Spanish) It's also being introduced in to primary schools as "compulsary" in the next year or so - a language that is, most probably French, or that's what I have been recently told (by a teacher)

jonniThreads: 21 Posts: 2,501 Joined: Nov 27, 07 Gender: Male	May 20, 09, 19:24 / #64
szarlotka: Points of Order Mr. Speaker, errm Mr. Speaker are you there? No, he's just resigned.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,072 Joined: Feb 20, 07 Gender: Male	May 20, 09, 19:28 / #65
jonni: No, he's just resigned. I could do his job - herding cats is a speciality of mine;)

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 189 Joined: Feb 17, 09 Gender: Female	May 20, 09, 21:30 / #66
szarlotka: French is not obligatory in English schools szarlotka, I do not want to fight with you, I think that you are quite a liberal minded person, but French is complusory, maybe because of the fact that they are our direct neighbours ,wether we like it or not! and secondly because it was a prerequisite to get into the best universities, this may have changed recently. Maybe someone on this forum has the up-to-date policy on the entrance requirements for Oxford and Cambridge.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,072 Joined: Feb 20, 07 Gender: Male	May 20, 09, 21:41 / #67
Oxford Entry requirements http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/courses/courses_a nd_entrance_requirements/index.html National Curriculum Keys Stage 3 and 4 (secondary education). http://curriculum.qca.org.uk/key-stages-3-and-4/index.aspx BTW I did German and not French at O Level (showing my age there) and I sat Maths at Oriol College, Oxford

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 189 Joined: Feb 17, 09 Gender: Female	May 20, 09, 21:59 / #68
Szarlota, university requirements on paper and" unwrittten codes" are as different as chalk and cheese. What these two universities proclaim to be acceptable, and what they accept differ tremendously. Some traditional values never die in the uk ,as in any country it is because of this that England will always be classed as an eccentric country.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,072 Joined: Feb 20, 07 Gender: Male	May 21, 09, 10:22 / #69
lexi: What these two universities proclaim to be acceptable, and what they accept differ tremendously. So you are saying that given a choice of candidates with equal ability and performance in interview for say a science degree the admissions tutors would prefer a candidate with good French. I think we must disagree in that case. In my experience they would more likely use potential for making the college rowing team as a tie breaker!

1jolaThreads: 26 Posts: 2,141 Joined: Sep 23, 08 Gender: Male	May 21, 09, 19:40 / #70
Frenchy, If you are still reading this, PM me and I'll give you a phone number in Warsaw that will help you meet the aristos.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 660 Joined: Jan 3, 09 Gender: Female	May 21, 09, 19:43 / #71
lexi: French is complusory No its not, really, I promise you...:)

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 21 Posts: 1,440 Joined: Dec 16, 08 Gender: Male	May 22, 09, 03:07 / #73
Zosia: are your panties in a knot? no, then you're ok. ;) fuew 1jola: Amor Patriae Nostra Lex Ive got it memorized, no need for lecture :P

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,649 Joined: Jun 26, 07 Gender: Female	May 22, 09, 14:54 / #74
niejestemcapita: No its not, really, I promise you...:) Cross your heart and hope to die? ;0)

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,022 Joined: Jan 13, 09 Gender: Male	May 22, 09, 17:48 / #75
french_noble: aristocracy or nobility in Poland Contact: THE SOVEREIGN MILITARY HOSPITALLER ORDER OF MALTA The Knights Hospitallers in Poland There you will find members from Poland's oldest noble families :-)

1jolaThreads: 26 Posts: 2,141 Joined: Sep 23, 08 Gender: Male	May 21, 09, 19:46 / #72
Mr Grunwald: Patriotic= Love your country Unpatriotic = not loving your country Amor Patriae Nostra Lex

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 189 Joined: Feb 17, 09 Gender: Female	May 22, 09, 18:05 / #76
szarlotka: In my experience they would more likely use potential for making the college rowing team as a tie breaker! Yes but if they had copious amounts of "college rowers for the next 2 years" the French speaker would get the placement.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,649 Joined: Jun 26, 07 Gender: Female	May 22, 09, 18:09 / #77
lexi: the French speaker would get the placement. No they wouldn't, you are obviously not listening to what is being said, you do not need to speak French to get in to certain universities! Same as you dont need to be fluent in latin to study law or medicine!

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 189 Joined: Feb 17, 09 Gender: Female	May 22, 09, 18:13 / #78
ShelleyS: No they wouldn't, you are obviously not listening to what is being said, you do not need to speak French to get in to certain universities! Same as you dont need to be fluent in latin to study law or medicine! Shelleys please do not comment upon a system you know absolutely nothing about.

espanaThreads: 26 Posts: 1,799 Joined: Feb 28, 07 Gender: Male	May 22, 09, 19:42 / #79
lexi: Shelleys please do not comment upon a system you know absolutely nothing about. thiis is a free forum so she can comment what the hell she want.

lexiThreads: 1 Posts: 189 Joined: Feb 17, 09 Gender: Female	May 22, 09, 19:59 / #80
espana: thiis is a free forum so she can comment what the hell she want. Okay point taken, anyone can comment upon things they know nothing about which resullts in B... S..... Espania I am not attacking you, I lived in your country for 5 years, I loved the people and still have friends there from way back. I just thought the video was really "way over the top", and domestic violence in any nationality is dreadful.

SRK85Threads: - Posts: 65 Joined: Mar 30, 09 Gender: Male	May 24, 09, 09:07 / #81
Ironside: Check again.( examples only Czartoryski, Zamoyski ) Maybe you are not of Polish nobility after all?! hmm came along this http://pnaf.us/korab.htm I am pretty sure my last name is of nobility.

IronsideThreads: 30 Posts: 2,639 Joined: Feb 26, 09 Gender: Male	May 25, 09, 17:16 / #82
SRK85: hmm came along this http://pnaf.us/korab.htm I am pretty sure my last name is of nobility. Well, name can be changed, do you have some prove to be of the nobility, same papers? If not your claims could be baseless>

SRK85Threads: - Posts: 65 Joined: Mar 30, 09 Gender: Male	May 26, 09, 08:06 / #83
Ironside: Well, name can be changed, do you have some prove to be of the nobility, same papers? If not your claims could be baseless> Not really other than my last name coming up on most websites for Polish nobility. I doubt that the nobility even mattered when my Great-grandfather emigrated to America because back then he was considered Austrian.

IronsideThreads: 30 Posts: 2,639 Joined: Feb 26, 09 Gender: Male	May 26, 09, 20:05 / #84
SRK85: Not really other than my last name coming up on most websites for Polish nobility. I doubt that the nobility even mattered when my Great-grandfather emigrated to America because back then he was considered Austrian. Definitely mattered at that time it was monarchy.

SRK85Threads: - Posts: 65 Joined: Mar 30, 09 Gender: Male	May 27, 09, 06:55 / #85
Ironside: Definitely mattered at that time it was monarchy. Really I didn't think the Hapsburgs actually cared about the Szlachtas.

IronsideThreads: 30 Posts: 2,639 Joined: Feb 26, 09 Gender: Male	May 28, 09, 16:20 / #86
SRK85: Really I didn't think the Hapsburgs actually cared about the Szlachtas. Well, yes and no! but someone with wealth was to be always reckon with

YoshiThreads: 1 Posts: 54 Joined: Sep 15, 08 Gender: Male	May 29, 09, 13:38 / #87
french_noble: Hi everyone, I was wondering if there's still a kind of class called aristocracy or nobility in Poland, or sthg like that ? I'm asking the question because I'm in Warsaw right now, I belong to French aristocracy and I'd like to meet nobles over here. Cheers. French Noble. Związek Szlachty Polskiej http://www.szlachta.org/

bobpolThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Jun 13, 09 Gender: Male	Jun 18, 09, 19:29 / #88
I must admit I have found this particular subject quite amusing. Going back to the original question though I think you may find that whatever was left of the majority of the Polish Nobility were probably victims of the 'Katyn massacre' in 1943. You can find more info about it at wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre As for the rest I don't really know, only what I've been told by Polish friends.

1jolaThreads: 26 Posts: 2,141 Joined: Sep 23, 08 Gender: Male	Jun 19, 09, 17:33 / #89
It is safe to assume that the OP was a joke. Neither French, nor noble. No manners either.

red_devilThreads: 1 Posts: 40 Joined: Jun 12, 09 Gender: Male	Jun 19, 09, 19:47 / #90
French nobility? Oh yes, I remember them - we slaughtered most of them at Agincourt. Ahh, good times. :) Magnifique!!