WILL OBAMA BE GOOD FOR POLAND RELATIONS?

PolishCowboy:

I don't think Obama cares too much for Poland. Plus he does not want to anger Russia, after all they just pressed the relationship reset button. He's mostly interested in fixing the American image with France, Germany and Spain so they would commit more troops to Afghanistan. "Obamas' War" as the corporate propaganda machine is saying over here.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 5, 09, 23:54 / #
He has been welcomed to Poland by Kaczyński I think. He turned down dinner with the Czechs, even though he is in Prague.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 6, 09, 00:15 / #
Seanus: He has been welcomed to Poland by Kaczyński I think. He turned down dinner with the Czechs, even though he is in Prague. Yes....his first international faux pas as he snubbed the Czech head of state Klaus and rather dined with his wife in some restaurant alone. Understandable as Klaus was one of the biggest and outspoken Bush-lickers in Europe but still the diplomatic protocol demands that he smiles and suffers. At least the thousands of Czechs who gathered to hear him speak didn't seem to mind...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 6, 09, 00:17 / #
That was a sneaky maneuver on his part ;) I wonder what Mrs Obama thought of that :) I wonder if he was Czeching her out ;)

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Apr 6, 09, 02:12 / #
dcchris: so obama might get to choose two supreme court justices. very important for direction of america. Yes; a direct descent into immorality and debauchery.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Apr 6, 09, 22:22 / #
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1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Apr 7, 09, 09:41 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Yes....his first international faux pas Didn't Michelle hug the Queen if England? lol

MattewoflvThreads: - Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Edited by: Mattewoflv Apr 10, 09, 06:06 / #
Let me get something straight. There is no such thing as race, race is created by society as a label. Obama my friends is NOT African America, he is not black what so ever. You guys who think he is are ignorant and should not even post in any discussion. Obama is white 100%. His father left him when he was a child (thats the only "black" part about him). Obama grew up with his mother, in Hawai in a very large house. Obama's WHITE mom sent him to the BEST private schools. Obama's mom than sent Mr. President to the best law school, HARVARD. Obama knows nothing about how blacks suffered, how the underclass suffers including Polish immigrants. Obama acts white, lived a white life, and is a white. Just because he labels himself as "african american" and tries to get stupid people to vote for him because of his race thinking that he is a civil rights spearhead does not mean he really is black. To awnser the preliminary question, Obama will not be good for Poland relations. He could give a dam less about Poland. He talks with Germany and Russia (notice how Poland is skipped). He tries to compromise with Russia and what does Russia want these days? Power of course. Who is keeping them from power? America, EU, NATO. Who is right next to Russia who is a strong ally, supporter, friend of western powers? POLAND of course. So in essence Mr. Obama is sending Poland to the dogs. Not to mention his party is messing with the budget giving money to high paid CEOs and not doing any of their dam promise. So far Obama has done nothing he said he would, thus making his whole dam campaign false. If you guys think Obama will be a revolutionary, great president, than you thought wrong cause wool is put against your eyes and you will see what it means to have a large government who doesn't care about the lower class, middle class, upper class. Instead caring for themselves and the people who they know, or "deem" necessary of the citizens money.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Apr 10, 09, 06:24 / #
Mattewoflv: If you guys think Obama will be a revolutionary, great president, than you thought wrong cause wool is put against your eyes and you will see what it means to have a large government who doesn't care about the lower class, middle class, upper class. Don't know who you means as "you guys" because many of us in the US did not vote for him.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER	Apr 10, 09, 06:24 / #
Mattewoflv: There is no such thing as race, Mattewoflv: Obama is white 100%. wtf?

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Edited by: JohnP Apr 10, 09, 07:13 / #
krysia: Don't know who you means as "you guys" because many of us in the US did not vote for him. Surely you're kidding? Someone didn't vote for him? j/k Just seems interesting that the tone changed so quick, but prior to the elections nobody would hear the other side. Obama isn't going to do anything for Poland I think; in fact the "messiah" treatment he gets is sickening. Doesn't matter where he went to law school, I still fail to see how doubling the US debt...is going to solve America's problems and why so many drink the coolaid and think because it is the chosen one, that Obama spending WAAAAAAAY more than all the other presidents combined (even Bush) or forgetting our friends is supposed to help America's standing. Also, I feel the UN is not the answer. NATO...well depends on how much one trusts the Russians as to whether it is still useful. The UN, on the other hand...seems more and more to be used by individual nations as a crutch. Nations which, originally, would look after their own interests, and their own citizens' interests...now wait until some foreign entity gives them the nod. It keeps our leaders from having to make REAL decisions, and lets them tax the #!@# out of us regular citizens, which was their goal anyway, apparently. Weak US is completely the goal of the UN (IMHO). With a stronger US, globalist types have no argument to control their own global armies, loyal to no nation but them. Which, I think, would not only be bad for the US...but Poland, as well. John P.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Apr 12, 09, 04:35 / #
pgtx: don't call me a racist you idiot... Yes. Mattew, you just called one of the few people that I KNOW are not racist... I on the otherhand, make some questionable comments sometimes... but none of it very malicious ;)

MysticThreads: 2 Posts: 66 Joined: Apr 11, 09	Apr 12, 09, 04:42 / #
I despise Obama. I cried when he was elected. I don't think he'll be good for America or any country, really. My family stood behind McCain 100%. Then again, we're Roman Catholic and Republicans.. ;)

shopgirlThreads: 7 Posts: 1,446 Joined: Apr 6, 07	Apr 12, 09, 05:20 / #
Mystic: My family stood behind McCain 100%. Then again, we're Roman Catholic and Republicans.. ;) Mystic MemberThreads: 1Posts: 7 Joined: Apr 11, 09 getQuotation('Mystic');Q In other words, you didn't have a choice. ;)

grethomoryThreads: 2 Posts: 212 Joined: Mar 19, 08	Apr 12, 09, 05:43 / #
shopgirl: In other words, you didn't have a choice. ;) HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

BiedronkoThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Apr 11, 09	Apr 11, 09, 19:30 / #
I really don't see how we have any evidence that Obama will or won't be good for Polish relations. Some of the racist rhetoric in this thread however is appalling, and quite frankly doesn't jive with the jovial, kind Polish spirit many of us are accustomed to.

MattewoflvThreads: - Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Edited by: Mattewoflv Apr 12, 09, 03:25 / #
pgtx Apr 10, 09, 06:24 #189 Mattewoflv: There is no such thing as race, Mattewoflv: Obama is white 100%. wtf? Right there, A racist before our eyes. Judges people by their skin color soley :O Remember Obama may have african american ethnicity but his race is white :) Proof= destruction of missle defense system.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER	Apr 12, 09, 04:02 / #
Mattewoflv: Right there, A racist before our eyes. Judges people by their skin color soley :O sweetie, learn how to read and understand at the same time... i pointed out what you wrote: that there is no such thing as race but Obama is white... isn't it white a race? don't call me a racist you idiot...

MattewoflvThreads: - Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Edited by: Mattewoflv Apr 12, 09, 06:25 / #
yea, there is no such thing as race ofc. But It was not meant to be contradictory. I was just making a personal statement: "there is no such thing as race" Then the second part was in continuation of the common view that there is race. If I am to follow the common view than there is race. If I am to look at Obama's race than he is not Black. (He is ethnicity is black) Instead Obama's race is white, because even though he is ethnically half black, he was brought through the white race, therefore making him white. That was my point. You came out racist because you did not give any explanation, you just gave the words What the F? and to any outward person you look like you are questioning the statement : "there is no race" If you think there are races than you are racist. When people use races, than they are racist cause they categorize people based of upbringing and social status (thus making race a social construct) I admit that I am racist at times, mabye because humans naturally make races. You cant help it. P.S.: I watched my words carefully dont worry. It was you that didnt watch your words when you wrote wtf? :P To clarfiy any misgivings about the word racist: racial prejudice or discrimination When you classify by color of skin you are racist. When you say that obama is of the race, African American than you are racist :P. Or when ppl say that obama is black, they are racist. The American government is racist, so is all of europe, the world is racist. Theoretically however there is no race. That should be kept pretty clear I think Quote: Yes. Mattew, you just called one of the few people that I KNOW are not racist... Awnser: Everyone is racist, give me one person who isnt than they are just being politically correct.

MysticThreads: 2 Posts: 66 Joined: Apr 11, 09	Edited by: Mystic Apr 12, 09, 21:10 / #
shopgirl: In other words, you didn't have a choice. ;) You're statement is not true and I don't respect you just jumping to conclusions. I followed the election closely and McCain was the better candidate in my opinion. I liked his plans for the country 10x more than I liked Obama's. I'm also very conservative in my beliefs. Everyone is racist and I won't deny that, but his election is proof of racism in the United States. African-Americans only voted for him because of his skin color. They didn't even know his ideas. It was ridiculous. It's like the country forgot he was half white. And when Obama was elected my parents didn't mind nearly as much as I did. They held hope for him, but now they think he's not doing any good for the country.

MysticThreads: 2 Posts: 66 Joined: Apr 11, 09	Edited by: Mystic Apr 12, 09, 22:31 / #
Oh, and sorry if I sound mean or anything. I just get really worked up over politics. I guess it's just one of those things that sets me off on major rants. :p

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Apr 12, 09, 22:56 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Understandable as Klaus was one of the biggest and outspoken Bush-lickers in Europe but still the diplomatic protocol demands that he smiles and suffers. He was never a Bush-licker. He has some vision of Czech foreign policy and that is all. Let me remind you that he blamed Sakaashvili for restarting Abkhasian conflict. Unlike American administration which blamed Russia. While Obama himself look as much ignorant as Bush as far as foreign policy is concentrated.

MattewoflvThreads: - Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Apr 12, 09, 23:20 / #
Agreed, I think Poland should not trust america fully, they should ride the wave of EU, America and NATO. However they shouldnt commit fully ever.

PolishCowboyThreads: 1 Posts: 64 Joined: Jan 30, 09	Apr 12, 09, 23:48 / #
I don't think Obama cares too much for Poland. Plus he does not want to anger Russia, after all they just pressed the relationship reset button. He's mostly interested in fixing the American image with France, Germany and Spain so they would commit more troops to Afghanistan. "Obamas' War" as the corporate propaganda machine is saying over here. Polands relationship with the US and everyone else should be one of reciprocity, no more no less.

grethomoryThreads: 2 Posts: 212 Joined: Mar 19, 08	Apr 17, 09, 03:18 / #
PolishCowboy: I don't think Obama cares too much for Poland. Plus he does not want to anger Russia, after all they just pressed the relationship reset button. He's mostly interested in fixing the American image with France, Germany and Spain so they would commit more troops to Afghanistan. "Obamas' War" as the corporate propaganda machine is saying over here. I don't think it's a matter or caring or not...I think it's more of what he considers to be a priority for America....and Poland is not a priority for America. The only thing I ever heard George Bush say about Poland was putting those warheads in Poland, but that was it.

MattewoflvThreads: - Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Apr 17, 09, 05:00 / #
Well, Poland should be a priority in the USA eyes. WHo is the one that commits the most troops? who is open to negociations? who is on the border of Russia? Who is open to missle defense systems? Poland is not relying only on the USA but at the same time France, Germany, Spain have been anti- american anyway England and Poland so far are the strongest allies of America, It should stay like that. Obama should not be ******* with stuff that obviously is working.

krakuskabanosThreads: 6 Posts: 52 Joined: Sep 23, 09	Edited by: krakuskabanos Oct 19, 09, 22:58 / #
grethomory: I don't think it's a matter or caring or not...I think it's more of what he considers to be a priority for America....and Poland is not a priority for America. The only thing I ever heard George Bush say about Poland was putting those warheads in Poland, but that was it. true. very true. Mattewoflv: Well, Poland should be a priority in the USA eyes. Mattewoflv: Agreed, I think Poland should not trust america fully, they should ride the wave of EU, America and NATO. for what reason? poland is already part of the eu - why should poland still feel insecure? why would poland still need the usa? for what?