WHY DOES POLAND, EU PERMIT FLOOD OF CHINA JUNK?

Polonius3:

The European institutions make a big fuss about countries that practise the death penalty but somehow meekly turn a blind eye and open the floodgates to shoddy Chinese goods and imtiations which are undermining European markets.

Robinson was the first High Commissioner for Human Rights to visit Tibet, making her trip in 1998. During her tenure she criticised the Irish system of permits for non-EU immigrants as similar to "bonded labour" and criticised the United States' use of capital punishment. Though she had initially announced her intention to serve a single four-year period, she extended the term by a year following an appeal from Annan, allowing her to preside over the 2001 World Conference against Racism in Durban, South Africa, as Secretary-General. Robinson's posting as High Commissioner ended in 2002, after sustained pressure from the United States led her to declare she was no longer able to continue her work.[14] Robinson had criticised the US for violating human rights in its war on terrorism and the World Conference against Racism was widely condemned in the US for its perceived anti-semitism.

Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,551 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Aug 16, 09, 13:16 / #
Wasn't the EU supposed to be a common market able to complete with N. America and the Far East? There are obviously no customs barriers between EU countries but why do they permit an apparently unrestricted flood of cheap "Made in China" junk produced through child labour and grossly underpaid labour. The European institutions make a big fuss about countries that practise the death penalty but somehow meekly turn a blind eye and open the floodgates to shoddy Chinese goods and imtiations which are undermining European markets. Aren't any customs duties imposed? If there are some, they must be too low. The Chinese have entered the automotive age and within a year or two will be flooding markets with underpriced cars, thereby posing a threat to one of the most vital and lucrative ranches of EU industry.

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,276 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Aug 16, 09, 13:22 / #
Polonius3: junk produced through child labour and grossly underpaid labour. link please. Polonius3: The Chinese have entered the automotive age and within a year or two will be flooding markets with underpriced cars, Then it is up to the European Union to do better... and compete.

Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,551 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Edited by: Polonius3 Aug 16, 09, 13:44 / #
This is general knowledge, but here is a link: http://www.china-labour.org.hk/en/node/15889 Besides, how can Europe compete with workers earning less than $1 an hour? Normally customs tariffs are used to ensure fairer competition. They need not equalise prices, but lessen the gap somewhat.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Aug 16, 09, 17:07 / #
I think its terrible how underpaid some of these workers are...........having said that.....if I can get a new shirt for £3 ...............

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Aug 16, 09, 17:25 / #
Polonius3: The European institutions make a big fuss about countries that practise the death penalty but somehow meekly turn a blind eye and open the floodgates to shoddy Chinese goods and imtiations which are undermining European markets. Mary Robinson (Wiki) , Robinson was the first High Commissioner for Human Rights to visit Tibet, making her trip in 1998. During her tenure she criticised the Irish system of permits for non-EU immigrants as similar to "bonded labour" and criticised the United States' use of capital punishment. Though she had initially announced her intention to serve a single four-year period, she extended the term by a year following an appeal from Annan, allowing her to preside over the 2001 World Conference against Racism in Durban, South Africa, as Secretary-General. Robinson's posting as High Commissioner ended in 2002, after sustained pressure from the United States led her to declare she was no longer able to continue her work.[14] Robinson had criticised the US for violating human rights in its war on terrorism and the World Conference against Racism was widely condemned in the US for its perceived anti-semitism. From Wiki She is a very intelligent and compassionate person, I like her a lot. Polonius3: how can Europe compete with workers earning less than $1 an hour? Education and quality.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Aug 17, 09, 00:33 / #
Re: WHY DOES POLAND, EU PERMIT FLOOD OF CHINA JUNK? --- Because we love the Chinese and are happy that they are getting a power capable of booting out the yankkie brutes from their "suporpowa" status. By the way, the Chinese "junk" is of better quality than today yankkie products. And cheaper. :)

MyszolowThreads: 4 Posts: 171 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Aug 17, 09, 08:53 / #
Puzzler: Re: WHY DOES POLAND, EU PERMIT FLOOD OF CHINA JUNK? --- Because we love the Chinese and are happy that they are getting a power capable of booting out the yankkie brutes from their "suporpowa" status. By the way, the Chinese "junk" is of better quality than today yankkie products. And cheaper. :) So you like Americans then? ;) I have the impression that Poles think everything made in China is crap. It's not true though, although a lot of it is cheap crap. Almost everything is made there now, it depends on quality control systems whether it's crap or not. Poles love cheap stuff, and not many of the older people are able to discern quality from tat (because there was never any choice of comparable products in the shops) so they just buy cheap crap in supermarkets. The number of cheap crap toys that they bought my son was horrific. Just buy him one quality toy instead of a heap of crap please. ;)

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 17, 09, 14:19 / #
Not sure about Poland, but here in Holland the products we get from China are of good quality, they have to meet some standards before they enter the country. You have in china 2 Markets: 1 Which is destined to Europe, North America, Japan and Australia, which are good, must pass rigorous tests. 2-Crap, which is sold to the countries were no quality standards are enforced. Sad true

MyszolowThreads: 4 Posts: 171 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Aug 17, 09, 14:21 / #
mvefa: Not sure about Poland, but here in Holland the products we get from China are of good quality, they have to meet some standards before they enter the country. You have in china 2 Markets: 1 Which is destined to Europe, North America, Japan and Australia, which are good, must pass rigorous tests. 2-Crap, which is sold to the countries were no quality standards are enforced. Sad true Yeah, but there's plenty of cheap crap available in the UK as well. Some of the cheap tools you can buy are ridiculously poor quality.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Aug 17, 09, 15:18 / #
WHY DOES POLAND, EU PERMIT FLOOD OF CHINA JUNK? simple answer on simple question >>> To avoid WWIII <<<

MyszolowThreads: 4 Posts: 171 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Aug 17, 09, 15:35 / #
mvefa: That sucks, well indeed it varies a bit from country to country, not all have good quality standards before letting export in. But we can never expect products to be as good as what the germans produce. It only really matters if people are unable to distinguish crap from quality though. Unfortunately for the Polish market, the older generation (40's +) seems to fall into that category. If there were no market for cheap crap, it wouldn't be imported. One of the things that amazed me in Poland was the availability of very poor quality chocolate. (I call this czekoldowopodobny). Chocolate flavoured candy bars, rather than actually containing chocolate. I only fell for this once though, and now stick to known brands like Wedel, Wawel (not as nice as Wedel) etc. or foreign stuff. (I think Wedel is owned by Cadbury these days anyway LOL). The reason I was suckered into buying this czekoladowopodobny shite is that, brought up in UK where that sort of crap wouldn't be considered good enough to sell, I had never come across it. Now I always look at the cocoa content. I lacked the skill to discern quality chocolate and fell for the low price. I think many older people in Poland lack the skill to judge quality in many many different areas - hence the influx and purchase of cheap poo.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 17, 09, 16:50 / #
Myszolow: Chocolate flavoured candy bars, rather than actually containing chocolate Eeeeuuuuuwwwwww That's freaking repulsive...yuk,,how can they sell such crap :S Oh well...i guess the older generation cannot distinguish that much since before the fall of communism, they had little choice...

MyszolowThreads: 4 Posts: 171 Joined: Jul 28, 09	Aug 17, 09, 22:27 / #
SzwedwPolsce: It's because people love to buy cheap stuff. And nobody moreso than the Poles. ;) SzwedwPolsce: If you buy a T-shirt for 5 € you can be sure that some kind of slave (likely a child in Asia) made it. Most people don't think it's okey. But still people want to pay as little as possible. It's a hard equation, but everybody has to take some responsibility and use common sense when shopping. The hard thing there is you can probably pay €10 or €20 for the same T-shirt being sold elsewhere, but the slave still gets the same, just the seller makes more profit. It's a tough game to play.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 12 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Aug 17, 09, 23:23 / #
Myszolow: And nobody moreso than the Poles. This is interesting. I have a Polish friend who did some research at the University in Wawa. For example, you can usually buy a pair of jeans 25% cheaper in Germany than in Poland. Even though the average income is higher in Germany than in Poland. This research showed that Poles judged quality very much depending on the price (more than people in Germany did). And many shops (of course) wanted to get an image of quality, they actually calculated to sell more jeans with this higher price. It's very much psychology involved.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 17, 09, 15:22 / #
Myszolow: Yeah, but there's plenty of cheap crap available in the UK as well. Some of the cheap tools you can buy are ridiculously poor quality That sucks, well indeed it varies a bit from country to country, not all have good quality standards before letting export in. But we can never expect products to be as good as what the germans produce.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,267 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER	Aug 17, 09, 16:54 / #
Puzzler: Because we love the Chinese and are happy that they are getting a power capable of booting out the yankkie brutes from their "suporpowa" status. Careful what you wish for.

SzwedwPolsceThreads: 12 Posts: 1,915 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Aug 17, 09, 21:26 / #
It's because people love to buy cheap stuff. If you buy a T-shirt for 5 € you can be sure that some kind of slave (likely a child in Asia) made it. Most people don't think it's okey. But still people want to pay as little as possible. It's a hard equation, but everybody has to take some responsibility and use common sense when shopping.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 18, 09, 10:11 / #
I think that we are a bit overreacting with the whole slave thing. Slavery is ilegal in China, what happens is that the wages are lower because the costs are slower. The Yuan is 10 lower in worth than the euro, and you can buy things with pennies. During the time that i lived in China i met a lot of people who worked in fabrics, they were not 100% happy, but at least they made money for a good living in the city and to send to their families in inner China. China is a country in development, so its gonna take a while to adjust to western labour laws. But slavery i think is a much bigger problem in India.

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,907 Joined: Apr 15, 09	Aug 18, 09, 14:44 / #
mvefa: I think that we are a bit overreacting with the whole slave thing. yea, because it is easier to see the slavery in other countries then in their own. mvefa: But slavery i think is a much bigger problem in India. what about all the illegal immigrants in the US/Canada and other Western European countries, plus some Eastern European countries which joined EU - there is a number of people who work in slave like conditions for the lack of better employment opportunities. Nobody mentioned trafficked se workers either.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 18, 09, 14:46 / #
aphrodisiac: Nobody mentioned trafficked sex workers either. True, we often forget those poor hookers from Poland,slovakia,bulgaria and rumania, which are abundant in Amsterdam's windows :(

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,907 Joined: Apr 15, 09	Edited by: aphrodisiac Aug 18, 09, 14:49 / #
mvefa: which are abundant in Amsterdam's windows :( not only there, all Western countries are full of them as well. What about all those second hand cars coming to Poland from Germany and other countries: a lot of it is junk as well.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 18, 09, 15:03 / #
true, but german cars are the best, i mean better a second hand german car than a korean or italian haha (excluding offcourse the race cars)

chinczykThreads: - Posts: 41 Joined: Oct 23, 08	Edited by: chinczyk Aug 19, 09, 16:07 / #
Polonius3: an apparently unrestricted flood of cheap "Made in China" junk produced through child labour and grossly underpaid labour Oh,It's really harsh for me to see this,yank,I know that you are maybe deadly serious about this notwithstanding. It calls for bilateral efforts,we welcome EU or Poland on this matter to set high and strict standards for China's goods(but no unreasonable barriers),and we are supposed to produce more quality commodities,No one wanna see shoddy goods,we hate them too,those junks do no good to both of us. About low wages,As mvefa said,China is still a developing country,you can't long for getting the same wages as you get in America out there in China.I believe this Gentleman,I mean mvefa really has been to China,what he said here about China is almost objective. As regards child labor,I believe we had this problem which was as serious as it had been in the toil factoies in those post-industrial countries in 18th century.But now though I can't definitely deny there is child labor abuse in China,It ain't a problem any more.

LwowskaKrakowThreads: 46 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 9, 07 MEMBER	Sep 19, 09, 10:50 / #
There are top quality products from China, just go to Shanghai or Beijing to check it yourself. If businesses/import companies in the western world were not buying so much Chinese crap because there are dirt cheap to buy and re sale ,we consumers would not buy this crap.

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Edited by: sledz Sep 19, 09, 13:34 / #
Puzzler: Chinese "junk" is of better quality than today yankkie products. And cheaper. Yeah ok , Mr. Polophob LwowskaKrakow: we consumers would not buy this crap. Why buy something you know is going to break right away??

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 19, 09, 13:39 / #
Mr Polophob? Chinese imports and trade really help Polish markets. TVN ran a segment on it some time back. Alex Salmond of Scotland knows this too, he went there not too long ago. What junk? By virtue of being mass produced doesn't make it junk. Provided the relevant quality standards are in place, what's the problem?

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Sep 19, 09, 13:50 / #
Seanus: Mr Polophob Ya, Puzzy is my good buddy....lol

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 19, 09, 13:52 / #
Puzzy and Bubba really brought things to life :) As for China junk, well, if people are buying....

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06	Sep 19, 09, 14:00 / #
Seanus: Puzzy and Bubba really brought things to life :) Bubba is cool,,,,,Puzzy is a twat..lol Seanus: As for China junk, well, if people are buying.... Some disposable stuff maybe, dont buy any tools from them thats for sure. Its almost impossible to go into a store and not find everything made in China, like Walmart...cheap ass $hit

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 19, 09, 14:01 / #
Exactly, it depends on the product. It's worth paying that bit more for specialist tools.