What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?

So why did you bother fighting Germans for so long and hard?

English is my second language.

Some Brits are so clueless is hysterical.

It's better that you stop embarrassing yourself and your country. Ask Harry to recommend you some reading material on British history. You are lacking big time.

Do you actually think before you say things?

Poland is one of those annoying insignificant little fuks. One that still thinks it knows best. Fukin twats.

Very sensible of you, given that your first is largely useless

We've lost a few, but when it mattered.....well

Kilkline:
We've lost a few, but when it mattered.....well

What no funny joke about them?

How do you invade Poland?
You march in backwards and tell them you are leaving.

What I question is what if all three, France, Britain and Poland did all jointly attack

could the world war be avoided?

I was asking not to offend but to hear your view

I would not hope for much from him.

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Thus starting a war with the industrial superpower of Europe.

Thus starting a war with the industrial superpower of Europe.

What no funny joke about them?

What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?

It is rather sad, I would hope after all this time others could at the least reccognize the price paid by Poland's people. What the Polish people did for others, and the strength of our people.

given that your first is largely useless

Poland is one of those annoying insignificant little fuks. One that still thinks it knows best.

Fukin twats.

If France and Englands presidents would have been blessed with half the balls and foresight of Pilsudski, they would have invaded Germany and disbanded the Nazi party, perhaps stage an assassination of Hitler and some of his brass, and supported the re-creation of a centrist-socialist govermnent, as well as provide financial assistance to the country while it got up on its own two feet.

What the Polish people did for others, and the strength of our people.

You can hardly call 1933 Germany an industrial superpower...
If France and Englands presidents would have been blessed with half the balls and foresight of Pilsudski, they would have invaded Germany and disbanded the Nazi party, perhaps stage an assassination of Hitler and some of his brass, and supported the re-creation of a centrist-socialist govermnent, as well as provide financial assistance to the country while it got up on its own two feet.
The Nazi popular vote was still quite low at the time, and the later numbers became manipulated and distorted. There isn't any doubt that the majority of Germans were still leaning towards a socialist govermnent in 1932-33.There were already signs of what was to come if one was to look closely, but the allies were too busy later with their policy of appeasement to bother. Pilsudski's dies, and the rest is history.

Poland indeed paid a heavy price but it was a price they paid for no one but themselves. They went to war for no one but themselves.

and what about the Germans???

They went to war for no one but themselves.

I would find it quite funny if so many deluded tw*ts didn't actually believe it.

Bratwurst, are you in denial that the majority of Germans were still centrist-socialist at this time?

In short, they did fuk all for anyone.

At least one third was firmly in the NSDAP camp and you can BET that these numbers

Stalin surely knowing a distracted Poland would be easy prey...

When the Second World War broke out, it was Stalin's plan to claim neutrality. His idea was that if all the countries of the world went to war with Germany, by the end of the war, each would become financially and politically exhausted. Russia, having been at peace the entire time, would inevitably rise as the greatest power in the world and dominate above capitalism. However, even Stalin could not ignore Hitler's advances into the USSR and other parts of Europe - the Nazi plan of domination intimidated and threatened that of Stalin's. It was then that Russia became involved in the war.

In November 1943 at the Teheran Conference, Stalin announced his ideas for postwar Germany. Following the war, Stalin wanted to occupy, demilitarize, and dismember Germany, abolish its officer corps, and force the payment of reparations. Throughout the late 1940s, Stalin believed that Germany would recover and generate yet another world war.

The earlier the allies would have fully supported the Weimar, perhaps not even militarily, the better it would have been for everyone.

The problem is that no one really saw Hitler as a threat until it was too late.

That is a far cry from invading and taking over the politics forcefully!

If it became clear that Hitler would gain power, invasion would be necessary.

Tell me how an invasion should have worked? Taking control over 80 million people who would NOT want to ruled by foreign invaders

80 million, yes, but many of whom are not yet supporting Hitler.

Like I said, this could be done quite quickly with no bloodshed.

I doubt that many Germans would see him or the Nazi's as martyrs.

I would stage assassinations of Hitler and some of his high ranking officers before the invasion, using a few communists, and then disposing the communist killers afterwards as well.

Money should have been poured into all sectors to stabilize the reformed centrist-socialist govermenent.

Allied forces would have been called out as soon as possible so that German citizens can see their own German army.

Bratwurst, I still do not understand why you are so skeptical about anything to do with this

With some better decision making, and the taking of a few lives, Europe could have been saved from 6 years of war and millions of lives!

as it wasn't GB or France so much where Hitler had laid his eyes on...

Stalin believed that Germany would not invade the Soviet Union until Britain and France had been conquered.

Stalin's response to France's defeat was to send Vyacheslav Molotov to Berlin for more discussions. Molotov was instructed to draw out these talks for as long as possible. Stalin knew that if Adolf Hitler did not attack the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, he would have to wait until 1942. No one, not even someone as rash as Hitler, would invade the Soviet Union in the winter, he argued.

No, they would not support Hitler but they would hate to be invaded even more.
If it were the goal of the invaders to destroy any opposition to Hitler and make him a folk hero and martyr, they should go on!

Absolutely unrealistic!

Realistic Filios, not skeptical!

But not through a foreign invasion in 1933!

Folk hero's and martyrs are easily forgotten when someone else is the bread winner... If enough jobs and money was flowing into the economy, someone like Hitler would be in the backseat.

Then tell me, my realistic German friend, how would you have done it?

What about the Sudeten? What about Austria?

And what about Danzig

and the restrictions and the war guilt clause?

The seeds of WWII were already sown in the Treaty of Versailles of WWI.

What about them? You know well enough that Austrian ambitions for anschluss evaporated in the early 1920's. They wanted to stay independent, Bratwurst.
Wasn't it Chancellor Schushnig that called a plebiscite and asked:
"Do you want a Free, German, Independent and Social, Christian and United Austria?"
The overwhelming answer was yes! Hitler forced anschluss down Austrian throats.

"...Less than a month after German troops marched into Austria, Hitler ordered that the invasion be ratified by plebiscite. The poll conducted on 10 April 1938 showed that 99.75 per cent of Austrians were in favour of the annexation. Subsequent claims that the results were doctored by the Nazis were later substantiated. But recent research suggests that the actual number in favour of Nazi rule was still about two thirds of the electorate.

Professor Gerhard Botz, a historian at Vienna University who has researched the period closely, said yesterday: "Hitler was welcomed into the country as a successful Austrian who was returning home from abroad and suddenly letting his own people take part in his successes. He was a sort of ersatz monarch." ...

A different case. But German and Polish populations co-existed in relative peace.

"...The relations between Germany and Poland had already grown tense during the summer because of the question of the treatment of the large Polish minority in Germany and the German minority in Poland.

Both minorities complained bitterly about a forceful policy of denationalization, about administrative pressure, and the curtailment of political and economic equality. The German minority in Poland undoubtedly had none of the many cultural privileges enjoyed by the German minority in Czechoslovakia, nor its complete democratic political and economic equality.

In 1923 Poland had 1550 elementary schools for German children, attended by 93,214 children. This number had diminished in 1937 to 428 schools with 40,700 children. The German population of Polish Upper Silesia had dwindled from 318,786 in 1921 to a few thousand in 1938.

The struggle of the German minority in Poland against Polonization is paralleled by the struggle of the Polish minority in Germany against their Germanization.
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You speak of Sudetenland as if the Germans were being molested there. They were very happy to be part of Czechoslovakia. Hitler again created disaffection by creating the German Sudeten Party and distorting those Germans' views.

"...President Woodrow Wilson sent ambassador Archibald Coolidge into the newly created state Czechoslovakia. After Coolidge became witness of Czech police brutality against peaceful Sudetengerman demonstrators (54 killed, among them women and children [1]), Coolidge suggested the possibility of ceding certain German-speaking parts of Bohemia to Germany (Cheb) and Austria (South Moravia and South Bohemia). ..."
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According to the February 1921 census 3,123,000 Germans lived in all Czechoslovakia, i.e. 23.4% of the total population.

The controversies between the Czechs and the German minority (which constituted a majority in the Sudetenland areas) lingered on throughout the 1920s, and intensified in the 1930s....

And you hold the view that nothing could have been done to prevent war because of the treaty?

More crap! The Poles were NOT nice their german minority and regarding the time Danzig should fell under polish government they were clear about it:"
"Become polish or leave!"

There was no relative peace!

is paralleled by the struggle of the Polish minority in Germany against their Germanization.
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The Treaty of Versailles FORBID an Anschluß, a unification...why do you think they had to do that???