What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?

Harry:

Let us not forget Stalin's military that never could handle having there butts kicked.

Who ever kicked their butts?

Bratwurst Boy:

Well, they might have differed about what the Poles thought they "deserve" to have...
Hitler promised to make things right against...people believed him, nobody else gave a sh'it!

Actually come to think of Poland was the big winner in both World Wars... after the first one they got their state gifted to them plus german lands, after thes econd one their border moved further west inclusive even more german towns and lands...my you of all should be glad, shouldn't you but still you are moping all the time..

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Dec 10, 08, 12:08 / #
Harry: You want to give just one example of a lie that I've posted in this thread? I've just given four examples of the ones repeatedly posted by our Plastic Poles. All those examples are in a little puny insecure mind of yours period. You constantly post half truth omitting a word here and there and bending the facts to fit your point of view. Looking for a specific example would be a waste of time and needles argument.

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Edited by: IronsE11 Dec 10, 08, 12:15 / #
celinski: And it shows what a big-hearted nation the Poles are, that they don’t make more of it. You've just spent countless posts refuting this. edit: I'll take this back as it is a slight on the Poles I know. Sometimes I forget that you are not Polish. Apologies.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Dec 10, 08, 12:21 / #
B.B.: Poland choose to be haughty and provocative/arrogant instead of trying for negotiations Eh? After WWI, who could blame Poland????? Deutsches schulden didn't DESERVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Deutsches, schulden sie gehabt!!!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 10, 08, 12:36 / #
HatefulBunch397: After WWI, who could blame Poland????? What's with WWI??? Poland belonged to the big winner of the treaty of versailles, the same one who brought on Hitler and sowed the seeds for WWII. For you this treaty might be a blessing for the rest of the world it was a catastrophe!...now what does that say about you? HatefulBunch397: Deutsches, schulden sie gehabt!!! And your German sucks!

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Dec 10, 08, 12:42 / #
Bratwurst Boy: What's with WWI??? Poland belonged to the big winner of the treaty of versailles, the same one who brought on Hitler and sowed the seeds for WWII...now what does that say about you? Expansionist tactics of Germany. This is why Germany didn't deserve Gdańsk. Greedy Deutsches wanted the port all for themselves and their greed only to leave Poland with NOTHING!!!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 10, 08, 12:44 / #
Piorun: That’s exactly what Poland did not want to do, government bowing to the Germans. They were never given the choice so spare me your holier-than-thou attitude! Piorun: We were overrun in 5 weeks not conquered there is a difference, modern day example would be Iraq; they were overrun but are they really conquered? Well...I can't see any Hussein troops still holding out against the allied troops...can you? If you think some trucks exploding on some marketplace as a sign for Iraq not being conquered then I can't help you! Piorun: Installing puppet government is not the same as collaboration; having few people in place protecting their own position (carriers if you will because they do not necessarily share your view of the world) and bowing to the masters is not the same as whole population blindly following some ideology. Could it happen? I’m sure it could have and as a matter of fact it did when the communists took over after the war. And the same would have happened if the Nazis had treated Poland as...say...France - so much for the "specialty" of Poles, eh? HatefulBunch397: This is why Germany didn't deserve Gdańsk. It wasn't a matter of deserving...The inhabitants of Danzig were to 98 percent german, it was a german town! Do Poles "deserve" Warschau??? To the English "deserve" London? Do the USians "deserve" Washington or New York???

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Edited by: Piorun Dec 10, 08, 12:45 / #
Bratwurst Boy: the same one who brought on Hitler and sowed the seeds for WWII. You don’t really believe that do you? It’s the German people who democratically elected him to the government and give him a status of a God. Blaming Poles for this is just ridicules. I can understand the resentment of the German people to the treaty of Versailles but to put it in the same basket is just little out there wouldn’t you agree. Bratwurst Boy: If you think some trucks exploding on some marketplace as a sign for Iraq not being conquered then I can't help you! What do you think will happen when Americans finally withdraw? Will they blindly follow every policy set by them, even if it’s their puppet government in place?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 10, 08, 12:48 / #
Piorun: You don’t really believe that do you? It’s the German people who democratically elected him to the government and give him a status of a God Without this treaty Hitler would have stayed a failed painter in Vienna, sorry if this fact rocks your boat to much! Maybe Poles who profited so much from this treaty find it hard to gulp but that's what brought you and Czechoslovakia to birth was the reason for the slaughterhouse of WWII....now how does it make you feel??? Don't you owe Europe a thing or two??? Piorun: What do you think will happen when Americans finally withdraw? Will they blindly follow every policy set by them, even if it’s their puppet government in place? And? Maybe we have different explanations about what "conquered" means?

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Dec 10, 08, 12:54 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Don't you owe Europe a thing or two??? No, it’s the German mentality and humiliation that brought this on. Pride is a powerful force and frankly I don’t blame them for this as you seem to blame it all on that treaty, it’s just hogwash.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Dec 10, 08, 12:56 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Without this treaty Hitler would have stayed a failed painter in Vienna, sorry if this fact rocks your boat to much! Oh it's true that treaty was a joke but still, Deutsches elected Hitler. You cannot blame Poland for who gets elected to office in Deutschland. Did you ever think Deutsches would have been better off just paying the debt instead of rapidly devaluing the currency? You Deutsches should have stuck with Weimar. Stayed with Weimar, paid the debt and moved on. But NOOOOO you couldn't do that, could you?????

puercoespinThreads: 1 Posts: 155 Joined: Jun 8, 08	Edited by: puercoespin Dec 10, 08, 15:17 / #
Bratwurst Boy: puercoespin: is Grunwald 1410 not enough? Erm...one battle...it seems to be enough for Poles! Hence the lack of others... :):):) sorry for my poor provocation BB ;)i meant it should be enough for you..kleine Bursche enyway as there is no English-German Translation Thread I want to ask you..how would be in german..'Yes I know I am one of the best' or ' Yes I know I am irreplaceable person'?? thanks in advance

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Dec 10, 08, 16:30 / #
B.B...Was wäre eine richtige Übersetzung? Das da wäre?

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Dec 10, 08, 16:54 / #
Harry: Dear lady, the German people never elected Hitler in a free election. Do try and learn about this thing called history. Let me clarify: Hitler was elected to the Reichstag in 1933 as leader of the National Sozialistische Deutsches Arbeiterpartei. He was elected by das Deutsches to the Reichstag in 1933. Hindenberg appointed him Chancellor. Hitler head butted his way in: On January 30, 1933, President Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler chancellor of Germany. Although the National Socialists never captured more than 37 percent of the national vote, and even though they still held a minority of cabinet posts and fewer than 50 percent of the seats in the Reichstag, Hitler and the Nazis set out to to consolidate their power. With Hitler as chancellor, that proved to be a fairly easy task. Hitler was a thug, didn't get the majority of votes when he ran for chancellor of Germany twice. Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor because: Hitler and his fellow members of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party, who were determined to bring down the republic and establish dictatorial rule in Germany, did everything they could to create chaos in the streets, including initiating political violence and murder. The situation got so bad that martial law was proclaimed in Berlin. So, you see, he and fellow thugs were elected to the Reichstag, weren't very popular, but rose to absolute power anyway.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07	Dec 10, 08, 17:00 / #
HatefulBunch397: So, you see, he and fellow thugs were elected to the Reichstag, weren't very popular, but rose to absolute power anyway. Rather like the Communist party in Poland. I would never blame the Poles for electing the Communist regime here. Why do Poles blame Germans for electing Hitler?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 10, 08, 12:57 / #
Piorun: No, it’s the German mentality and humiliation that brought this on. Pride is a powerful force and frankly I don’t blame them for this as you seem to blame it all on that treaty, it’s just hogwash. If it makes you feel better... But neither GB nor anybody else owes Poland a thing, they did what they could to the best of their abilities. Without them Poland wouldn't be even existent...so stop that whining already! HatefulBunch397: But NOOOOO you couldn't do that, could you????? Nope...we wanted Danzig back and all what rightfully belonged to us, sorry!

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Dec 10, 08, 13:01 / #
Bratwurst Boy: But neither GB nor anybody else owes Poland a thing Whoever said they do? The purpose of this thread is to exchange the point of view not some compensation. You might not agree with what I have to say and vice versa, that’s the point.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Dec 10, 08, 13:02 / #
Piorun: Whoever said they do? Erm...maybe I misinterpreted the whole b*itchfest in this thread???

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Dec 10, 08, 13:05 / #
Bratwurst Boy: I misinterpreted the whole b*itchfest in this thread??? So do I, It’s easy to present argument but harder to understand where the other side is coming from. As they say know thy enemy.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Dec 10, 08, 13:58 / #
Bratwurst Boy: holier-than-thou Was someone calling me.:) j/k'ing Piorun: No, it’s the German mentality and humiliation that brought this on. Let us not forget Stalin's military that never could handle having there butts kicked.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07	Dec 10, 08, 16:37 / #
Piorun: All those examples are in a little puny insecure mind of yours period. Instead of opening with an insult, why not try debating with facts? Oh, sorry, silly me: the facts do not suport your position. Piorun: You constantly post half truth omitting a word here and there and bending the facts to fit your point of view. As opposed to certain real and plastic Poles who tell entire lies by adding an extra word (e.g. "Poles were not invited to the London parade." or "No Brits died in combat in Poland in WWII." Piorun: Looking for a specific example would be a waste of time and needles argument. In other words you can not find one. Glad we have cleared that up. HatefulBunch397: Greedy Deutsches wanted the port all for themselves and their greed only to leave Poland with NOTHING!!! Well, nothing other than the port of Gdynia, which was (unlike Gdansk) actually Polish. Piorun: It’s the German people who democratically elected him to the government and give him a status of a God. Do stop with the lies. The Nazis were never democratically elected in a free government. Blaming the people of Germany for electing Hitler is as accurate as blaming the people of Poland for electing the Commies. HatefulBunch397: Deutsches elected Hitler. You cannot blame Poland for who gets elected to office in Deutschland. Dear lady, the German people never elected Hitler in a free election. Do try and learn about this thing called history. celinski: Let us not forget Stalin's military that never could handle having there butts kicked. Who ever kicked their butts? Some people (e.g. the Finns and the Germans) may have won some battles but nobody won a war against Stalin's army. Unless, of course you would have us believe that it was Stalin's army in 1921. Given the relationship that the average Plastic Pole has with the truth, you may well think that. Unfortunately, what you think does not effect historical fact. Nice to see that Ozi Plastic Pole Dan and foul liar Juliet have finally realised that they can not argue with cold hard facts andd can not answer questions to which we all know the answers with any answers other than the ones they try so desperately to pretend are not true. They, and their digusting lies, insults and racism, will not be missed in this thread or any other.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Dec 10, 08, 17:03 / #
Harry: I would never blame the Poles for electing the Communist regime here. Why do Poles blame Germans for electing Hitler? Harry, I don't think you can blame poles for Hitler's rise to power, which is what B.B. did. It might not lie in the German electorate, either, but certainly not with the people living in Poland! However, there is this one stipulation: At some point Hitler did become very popular and somehow developed an enduring cult of personality. How do you explain it? Fault lies with Das Deutsches there...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 10, 08, 18:15 / #
HatefulBunch397: How do you explain it? Fault lies with Das Deutsches there... Well, they might have differed about what the Poles thought they "deserve" to have... Hitler promised to make things right against...people believed him, nobody else gave a sh'it! Actually come to think of Poland was the big winner in both World Wars... after the first one they got their state gifted to them plus german lands, after thes econd one their border moved further west inclusive even more german towns and lands...my you of all should be glad, shouldn't you but still you are moping all the time..

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Dec 10, 08, 20:01 / #
Bratwurst Boy: after thes econd one their border moved further west inclusive even more german towns and lands...my you of all should be glad, shouldn't you but still you are moping all the time.. It wasn't so much a land issue as a human rights issue. Das Deutsches had absolutely NO RIGHT to enter POLAND and start the process of putting everyone into KZ.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Edited by: celinski Dec 10, 08, 21:06 / #
Look you are catching on. They were anti communist and Stalin could not stand this part of Russian history. Ponder this Harry, If Russia was able to take Poland would they have stopped, no they would have continued to Germany where the military was depleted and not ready to respond. Harry: Let us not forget Stalin's military that never could handle having there butts kicked. Who ever kicked their butts? of course you would have us believe that it was Stalin's army in 1921. Bratwurst Boy: Well, they might have differed about what the Poles thought they "deserve" to have... Hitler promised to make things right against...people believed him, nobody else gave a sh'it! Actually come to think of Poland was the big winner in both World Wars... after the first one they got their state gifted to them plus german lands, after thes econd one their border moved further west inclusive even more german towns and lands...my you of all should be glad, shouldn't you but still you are moping all the time.. On the German's that remained faithful to Hitler I was watching a show about a week ago and London has released tapes that were secretly taping POW's in Britain. Anyway, to make a long story short, the Generals spoke of not believing in the cause but due to the early 30's Hitler gave them promotions to "Generals" with heafty raises, they spoke of how they felt they could not turn on him because of this. Very interesting and the tapes should be on line soon. Funny how this material is surfacing. Hummm maybe they will next release Sorkowski's investogations. As far as being Polish being big winners, I don't this so. Stalin took Polands property and paid his tab with German property. Lets not forget the ones in "Kresy" he slaved, "Katyn" killed. So the way I see it who really made out seeing as how in the end he took all of Poland. All this time Germany has been paying for the deaths also inflicted by Soviets. HatefulBunch397: It wasn't so much a land issue as a human rights issue. No way the Polish knew what Stalin had done in the East and con't to do while calling himself an ally. BS in the Warsaw 1944 as Polish made there's way out of the sewers to escape, Stalin had his military, our ally's waiting and shooting us as we can out. The Soviet military were shot if they even sujusted helping. Familiy's like mine knew Stalin would kill my Grandfather who was an outspoken about anti communism. We point fingers back and forth about who stopped from helping Poland in the rising, it was Stalin that used his power to have Polish exterminated, just as Hitler and Stalin had planned.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07	Dec 11, 08, 03:59 / #
celinski: BS in the Warsaw 1944 as Polish made there's way out of the sewers to escape, Stalin had his military, our ally's waiting and shooting us as we can out. Carol, your knowledge of history is as good as your knowledge of English grammar. Do explain how the Red Army was in position to wait for AK fighters emerging from the sewers during 1944 given that the Red Army was on one side of the Wisla and the Uprising was taking place on the other side of the Wisla. Do feel most free to blame the British for secretly altering the course of the river after the war to hide another Red Army war crime….

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,049 Joined: May 26, 08	Dec 11, 08, 05:00 / #
Harry: Do explain how the Red Army was in position to wait for AK fighters emerging from the sewers during 1944 given that the Red Army was on one side of the Wisla and the Uprising was taking place on the other side of the Wisla. It was the NKVD after the Rising; The ex-insurgents came out of hiding to be capture for questioning if "lucky" or getting a slug put in the back of their head if "unlucky".

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07	Dec 11, 08, 05:16 / #
Babinich: It was the NKVD after the Rising; The ex-insurgents came out of hiding to be capture for questioning if "lucky" or getting a slug put in the back of their head if "unlucky". This much is known. My point was that any AK fighter emerging from the sewers straight into the arms of the Red Army would have been in the sewers from at least 2 October to 17 January. The chances of anybody actually choosing to spend three and half months during Polish winter down the sewers rather than in a PoW camp point to Carol's statement being yet another Plastic Pole myth.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Dec 11, 08, 05:44 / #
Harry: The chances of anybody actually choosing to spend three and half months during Polish winter down the sewers rather than in a PoW camp point to Carol's statement being yet another Plastic Pole myth. Say what, why would the Polish need to be placed as POW's we were allies. Outrage was how they described the British when they learned of this. So much so they went back to planning the parade. I don't recall "war crimes" being a charge placed on the one giving orders, Stalin? I must say, this is news to me. [/quote]REVEALED, HITLER'S PLAN FOR 'DART BOMB' RAIDS ON BRITAIN [/quote] In the final months of the conflict, Hitler’s generals needed Luftwaffe pilots prepared to carry out highly risky missions over Britain. The idea was that a pilot would steer a dart-shaped glider carrying a huge bomb. The glider, also containing an enormous balloon, would have been released from a larger aircraft before diving at its target at speeds of up to 700mph. At the last second, the pilot would have released a one-ton bomb and inflated the balloon. [url=http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/75182/Revealed-Hitler-s-plan- for-dart-bomb-raids-on-Britain] [/url]

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07	Edited by: Kilkline Dec 11, 08, 06:12 / #
celinski: Outrage was how they described the British when they learned of this. Are you channelling the voice of Yoda? Still avoiding a direct response to any question or point directed though. celinski: I must say, this is news to me. celinski: REVEALED, HITLER'S PLAN FOR 'DART BOMB' RAIDS ON BRITAIN More randomness.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,996 Joined: May 2, 07	Dec 11, 08, 06:15 / #
celinski: Say what, why would the Polish need to be placed as POW's we were allies. Any AK fighter who surrendered to the Germans at the end of the Uprising was sent to a PoW camp. Do try and learn something about history. celinski: Outrage was how they described the British when they learned of this. So much so they went back to planning the parade. You mean the one that free Poles were invited to despite the claims of the Plastic Poles.