Why does Poland love the US?

isthatu2:

You conquered Moscow....learn "your" history mate...
the reason you in recent history havent attacked anyone(apart from divying up CZ with the nazis in 38 and then sending in troops again to CZ in '68....expat,rose tinted glasses are soooo last season :)) is because you have never had the military might to do anything but defend on the main,nothing more,nothing less.

isthatu2:

would that be its quaint poverty and forced need to drive ancient cars and live in 19th century buildings in cuba?

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Edited by: expatriot Apr 17, 08, 06:02 / #
Hello Everyone ! I am from Greek / Polish descent. I think I have the best of both worlds !! And a common history ( They both kicked turkish butt :)) ) I guess, the one thing that divides me is that Greece has to be the most Anti-USA ( for good reason ) country in europe while Poland is the most Pro-USA country in europe. Now my burning question is this...what on Gods earth have they EVER done anything good to Poland. And secondly...why dont you guys team up with Russia ? We are after all slavs... I cant figure this one out... Pls help

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Apr 17, 08, 06:06 / #
Greece anti-USA? I don't understand...They're all here (including yourself). We have a large Greek population here, so your statement confuses me.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Edited by: expatriot Apr 17, 08, 06:12 / #
As far a politcally wise speaking ( Iraq,Afghanistan,ect )... by the way...i was born and raised in the US and yes...you are right they are a ton of greeks in the US that support their country. And as US citizens...it is their duty. I am talking mostly about poles in poland and greeks of greece. It also pains me to see polish soldier dying in iraq, and poland not receiving anything in return for their friendship and loyalty to uncle sam

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Apr 17, 08, 06:17 / #
There are also a lot of American Greeks that DON'T support their country. How do you see friendship with Russia as more of a benefit? So, you think that Poland deserves sth more than friendship because they have soldiers in Iraq? What do you think they deserve? Is just friendship not enough?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Apr 17, 08, 06:18 / #
expatriot: It also pains me to see polish soldier dying in iraq, and poland not receiving anything in return for their friendship and loyalty to uncle sam It's only fair, since the US gets nothing out of it either.

KittyThreads: - Posts: 6 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 06:19 / #
If politicians from Poland are pro-USA (in certain topics) it doesn't mean that polish people are... That's a huge difference. I think such dissonance exists in most countries. Politics has it's own rights. The same thing with Russia.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 06:20 / #
i dont buy it.....poland never had issues with iraqis... We only attack to defend...remember ? what ever happened to that...

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Apr 17, 08, 06:22 / #
What don't you buy? Most people that have troops in Iraq never had problems with Iraq.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Edited by: expatriot Apr 17, 08, 06:25 / #
No Zgubiony...friendship is not enough... Russia and Germany screwed us out of a pipeline..they will make it to bypass Poland...all because of a " crush " we have for uncle sam. You tell me what is wrong here. We can be a serious energy player in the region if we team up with Russia...that is what we gain. Poland should think for Poland...and not the US. and how many counties are in Iraq now Z ?

rjedenThreads: 1 Posts: 30 Joined: Feb 10, 08	Apr 17, 08, 06:30 / #
For russian claims that we are all Slaves is only a method to bring under other nations. It is huge naive to belive in this theory. Russia has always been enemy of Poland.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 06:32 / #
times have changed rjeden... back then it was a war of politcal dominance ( capitalism & communism ) We all know who won...so why dont we patch things up and start a new future. and being slavs is NOT just a theory. Wasnt there 3 brothers that split up and founded 3 different nations ? Poland, Russian and Czech... I may not believe that story...but that just outlines how close we should be...

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Edited by: Zgubiony Apr 17, 08, 06:33 / #
Not enough...lol OK Well, don't fret, PL will have another Idea ;) Poland, Ukraine sign deal on oil pipeline bypassing Russia You obviously dislike the US so, why are you here?

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 07:48 / #
Krzysztof: You really should learn your history better. Both russia and germany screwed us again and again many times before Uncle Sam even existed. yes...but i believe we won in grunwold or smth battle against the germans. now with the russians...i still dont know why we went after each others throats. Krzysztof: And what has we ever gained from Germany's and Russia's hostilities? nothing...im not discussing about germany ( i could care less ) but with russia all im saying is trying a different approach. Greece & Turkey tried this " kill em with kindness " approach and to be honest...its working. Albiet slowly...

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Edited by: expatriot Apr 17, 08, 07:59 / #
pls dont give credit where its not due. If your referring to the political uprising that started back then....give the credit to the brave poles and leave the other ppl out of the equation they also bank rolled terrorists in ME...does Saddam & Osama ring a bell ? oh and i forgot...having russian missles pointing at us ( due to US missle shield ) why do we want to do this again ?

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Edited by: expatriot Apr 17, 08, 06:38 / #
that is good news....i didnt know about that deal.( if it happens....trying to bypass russia is like an alcoholic trying to bypass a bar ) I just dont get why we have to play into uncle sams game of divide and conquer.. again...what has poland ever gained from their friendship ? Im not " here "....thus the name " expatriot " I live in europe now...

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Edited by: Zgubiony Apr 17, 08, 06:44 / #
Maybe after many years of being conquered, PL need some good allies.... You'd rather be on the side of communism again? expatriot: Im not here....thus the name " expatriot " I live in europe now... Right...... I know where you REALLY are;)

rjedenThreads: 1 Posts: 30 Joined: Feb 10, 08	Apr 17, 08, 06:58 / #
Ha ha it is only tale. I am above all Polish and don't feel any connection with russian or other slave. They are only our neighbors.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Edited by: Moderator Apr 17, 08, 07:00 / #
many years of being conquered ?! From who ? wasnt this a deal between US and Russia ? why dont you read the warsaw pact...uncle sam left us high and dry back then...and you talk about good allies ?!?! where am i ? :)) You are where your IP say's you are ;)

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Edited by: expatriot Apr 17, 08, 07:03 / #
nice one :)) and no...i would not pefer to be on the side of communism. Communism is dead...But Id love to go to Cuba for a while :)) " rjeden Ha ha it is only tale. I am above all Polish and don't feel any connection with russian or other slave. They are only our neighbors " Maybe that is our problem...we should have it good with our neighbors since....like it or not they will be next to us until eternity...

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Apr 17, 08, 07:06 / #
expatriot: But Id love to go to Cuba for a while :)) Me too. I know people that have been there on holiday and they say it was fantastic. I see many changes with them in the near future.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 07:07 / #
^^^ now that would be a shame...i hope those " changes " wont make it lose its charm

ZgubionyThreads: 21 Posts: 2,037 Joined: Oct 20, 06	Apr 17, 08, 07:08 / #
We'll see. They've already allowed many luxuries that Castro had banned.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 07:12 / #
yeah....i heard of some " openings " that will happen there :-( I guess Castro cant live forever.... so...can anybody tell me a GOOD reason why we should be with the US instead with the Beast from the East ?

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Apr 17, 08, 07:41 / #
expatriot: Russia and Germany screwed us (...) all because of a " crush " we have for uncle sam. You really should learn your history better. Both russia and germany screwed us again and again many times before Uncle Sam even existed. expatriot: what has poland ever gained from their friendship ? And what has we ever gained from Germany's and Russia's hostilities?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Edited by: isthatu2 Apr 17, 08, 07:55 / #
expatriot: Now my burning question is this...what on Gods earth have they EVER done anything good to Poland Apart from completely bankrolling Solidarity.......... expatriot: .....poland never had issues with iraqis Americans never had issues with "iraqis" they did however have issues with some iraqis..... expatriot: We only attack to defend...remember ? You conquered Moscow....learn "your" history mate... the reason you in recent history havent attacked anyone(apart from divying up CZ with the nazis in 38 and then sending in troops again to CZ in '68....expat,rose tinted glasses are soooo last season :)) is because you have never had the military might to do anything but defend on the main,nothing more,nothing less. expatriot: i hope those " changes " wont make it lose its charm would that be its quaint poverty and forced need to drive ancient cars and live in 19th century buildings in cuba?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 17, 08, 09:13 / #
expatriot: they also bank rolled terrorists in ME...does Saddam & Osama ring a bell ? yes,and it was a Polish fellas idea to do that wasnt it expat. I admire your dedication to your new found home but......please..... (wow,Im defending uncle sam:))

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07	Apr 17, 08, 09:40 / #
isthatu2: divying up CZ with the nazis in 38 Same old arguments because you have nothing else useful to accuse Poles of. I suggest you read the history of this particular event one more time because the understanding of these events seem to elude you. Throwing in the statement like “with the Nazis” shows it. isthatu2: then sending in troops again to CZ in '68 Another stupid argument on your part. Reading your posts I see you have a great pride of being a history buff or student. I haven’t quite figured out which, for if you were a student of history you should know that Britain is as much to blame for the events in CZ 68 as Poles if not more. Here’s a picture to prove it. The Poles are not proud of those events as you have seen it stated many times on this very forum. Politicians at that time were very eager to please their masters and show how good of lap dogs they can be for the sake of their carriers. The great tradition continues today, perfect example of this is “Kosovo”. The action of Polish government did not reflect the sentiment of the people then and now.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 09:49 / #
isthatu2: You conquered Moscow....learn "your" history mate... the reason you in recent history havent attacked anyone(apart from divying up CZ with the nazis in 38 and then sending in troops again to CZ in '68....expat,rose tinted glasses are soooo last season :)) is because you have never had the military might to do anything but defend on the main,nothing more,nothing less. Dont know much about that event.... isthatu2: would that be its quaint poverty and forced need to drive ancient cars and live in 19th century buildings in cuba? Who says that luxury is the solution to the worlds problems ? Is that why we have white suburb kids taking out each other in school and ending it by putting a bullet to their heads ? and i admire your dedication to your home...

FranekThreads: 21 Posts: 525 Joined: Apr 12, 08	Apr 17, 08, 09:54 / #
Expatroit; Did you ever think thsat Poland appreciates that America helped to defeat Germany in two world wars. This allowed Poland to become an independent nation again. Had it not been for America and other Allies. You might be wearing striped pajamas today.

expatriotThreads: 1 Posts: 32 Joined: Apr 17, 08	Apr 17, 08, 09:57 / #
Highly doubt that Franek...the US involvement in WW2 is laughable at best. Even my US history teacher in high school admitted that. They came when the game was aleady over..and speaking of which... These same ppl that you think " helped " left us with communism which took another 40 yrs to overcome. And how long should we show our appreciation ?