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BorrkaThreads: 49
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Poland is most friendly neighbor of Ukraine (26%).
Number two ... Russian Federation (17%).

Results in Halychina (Western part of Ukraine) are higher than average for Poland and much lower for Russia.

Sorry, only Polish link:
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80708,7187360,Sondaz__Polska_ najbardziej_przyjaznym_sasiadem_Ukrainy.html
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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Okay...26% and 17 %...what about the rest?
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Borrka:
Poland is most friendly neighbor of Ukraine (26%).
Number two ... Russian Federation (17%).

So, it is clear.... i am right. Ukraine should be invited to become part of Sarmatian alliance, just after Poland and Serbia form one. Good
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Bratwurst Boy:
what about the rest

The rest didn't give a hoot about the poll... :)
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TheOther:
The rest didn't give a hoot about the poll... :)

I want numbers! ;)

Crow:
So, it is clear.... i am right. Ukraine should be invited to become part of Sarmatian alliance, just after Poland and Serbia form it. Good

Yeah...a union with Serbia and Ukraine...I can see the Poles falling for it happily to be the future paymaster for you guys! ;)

I can see what Ukraine and Serbia would gain from Poland, but what would YOU have to offer???
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Bratwurst Boy:
Yeah...a union with Serbia and Ukraine...I can see the Poles falling for it happily to be the future paymaster for you guys! ;)

bater Poland with Serbia and Ukraine then Poland in Eurabia ;)
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what about the most friendly neighbour of Poland? i quite like Slovaks.
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Crow:
bater Poland with Serbia and Ukraine then Poland in Eurabia ;)

Which Eurabia???
SeanusThreads: 22
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Slovaks are quite popular here, more so than Czechs. It's maybe because the Czechs have more clout than the Slovaks do. There is history between Poland and The Czech Republic. Polls are not always representative, sth we should bear in mind.

Closer relations with Ukraine are in the interests of Poland.
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Seanus:
Polls are not always representative, sth we should bear in mind.

Then what is?
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The ones which conduct a highly broad sweep across the nation and that wasn't indicated in the poll. Also, many factors determine the vote. Not least, current interpersonal relations which can change with one bad move. Good feeling in Ukraine can also have a bearing. I'm just saying that we shouldn't place heavy reliance on one-off polls.

Just look at how Gallup and Mori polls were off when assessing the level of support for the Conservative party.
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Borrka:
Poland is the most friendly neighbor of Ukraine and Russia

How many neighbours has Ukraine?
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southern:
How many neighbours has Ukraine?

Look at the map:
http://www.pk.org.pl/EdytorFiles/Image/statystyki/Mapa_Ukraina_o_.jpg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1oMKa-BSvU&feature=related, they have a superb national anthem too. I remember the Klitschko brothers singing it.

How about Cyrillic? My Polish friend read a receipt I got from Belgrade and he said that it was different from Russian Cyrillic. How about Ukrainian, how different is it?
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Seanus:
How about Ukrainian, how different is it?

There are some small differences but it's no problem to Russian speaker to read Ukrainian.
And vice versa.
For example Ukrainian letters like: і Ї ї.
Compared to other Cyrillic alphabets, the modern Ukrainian has most in common with those of the other East Slavic languages, Belarussian and Russian.
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Man, the Klitschko brothers are so often in german TV I used to think they have applied for german citizenship.
(Till I saw one of them slugging it out in the ukrainian parlament...I still can't keep them apart...)
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Well, it's Ukrainian music that is making my wife manic and shaking me vigorously :) Nokturnal Mortum, a black metal group, are playing. They played in Katowice to a mega reception. I like some of it as it is melodic and folky.
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Folky black metal? That sounds nice! :)
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They play Ukrainian folky numbers, just like the Russian Arkona play Russian folk melodies. I like Slavic folk, it has passion and spirit just like Celtic music does.
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As far as I am concerned Ukrainians
1.Do not like Belarussians
2.Are afraid of Poles
3.Have a love-hate relationship with Russians(according to each ukrainian teritorry)

Belarussians also told me that they strongly dislike Ukrainians and theink of them as crooks.
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Point no 3, well made. Donetsk, in the east of Ukraine, tends to be more Russia friendly. Lwów (Lvov) tends to be more Polish friendly.

As long as Tusk places a heavy emphasis on harmonious international relations, all will be well. I'm not a big fan of his but he doesn't rock the boat and nurse old scars like Jarosław Kaczyński did.
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Seanus:
Donetsk, in the east of Ukraine, tends to be more Russia friendly. Lwów (Lvov) tends to be more Polish friendly.

Risky statement, Seanus.
English speaking Irish more England friendly than, let's say, Spaniards ?

I would rather say more Russia oriented (Donetsk) and more EU=Poland oriented (Lviv).
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The maximum of absurdity was a taxi driver in Lvov trying to persuade me that the real Russians are the Ukrainians!So much for the differences.
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What's the difference between oriented and friendly here? What's life without a bit of risk, eh? (hmm, sounded Canadian that :))
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southern:
the real Russians are the Ukrainians

Some well known problem.
Probably he meant the true successors of Kievian Rus' are Ukrainians and not Great-Russians (Muscovites).
Moreover there is "Rusin" nationality, phonetically close to "Russian" but means part of Ukrainians.
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I have limited experience with Ukrainians but I met one girl from Kiev during my CELTA who said that, although they are comfortable with Russian language and concepts, they have carved out a fairly strong identity for themselves.

The other one, from Donetsk, was broadly pro-Russian and spoke Russian here as she felt more Poles would understand her. She was wrong.
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Seanus:
What's the difference between oriented and friendly here?

Mentality and national objectives.
Business as well.

Western Ukies would like to be like us = second class Europeans lol.
They are as a matter of fact similar to Poles - same nonsensical pride close to madness.
Thanks God sometimes only !
Does not mean some special sympathy for Poles.

Seanus:
hey are comfortable with Russian language

Language does not really matter.
I know a girl living in Kiev from a strongly nationalistic family (Lviv born).
She prefere to speak Russian ("it's easier to me") but her feelings are ... oh well ... like those of Stephan Bandera lol.
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You can be oriented and friendly when it comes to business. If you associate with a given mentality, you tend to be friendly and orientate yourself towards it.

Why class Europeans? Even Tony Blair tried to eradicate class as a 21st century phenomenon. The pursuit of so-called 'first class' European status can ruin people.

Exactly, the IRA and SAS had common Celtic heritage but very different objectives and outlook :(

You are forgetting what I was led to believe was a Slovak proverb (from my teaching) but what I believe to be Goethe. 'A man lives as many lives as he speaks languages'. I know this as I think differently when I use Polish, Japanese or French, for example. Never underestimate the brain-forming and orientating powers of language.
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Seanus:
If you associate with a given mentality

Yes it's about the same given mentality .
No one can change it.
As a matter of fact we are very similar people (PL and UA)

It's late. Good nite.
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I agree but others prefer to bring up old scars and wounds. I, for one, would like to visit Ukraine.
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