Is Poland ready for the swine fever stuff?

BevK:

I can see the news is talking about it, and I've learned enough Polish to see which countries are being referred to, but can't see what (if any) plans are in place. I'm diabetic and also asthmatic so in the UK I would be considered at risk and a priority for a vaccine if needed. How goes that here?

BLSThreads: 75 Posts: 166 Joined: Feb 14, 08	May 4, 09, 11:09 / #
No vaccine is 100% effective, especially if the intended target mutates into something deadlier. As I understand it, once a virus evolves, vaccines for the original strain are more or less useless against the new mutation. Evidently, the Spanish flu virus mutated to become much more virulent over a short period of time in 1918, so any vaccine that could have been produced at the onset of that bug would have had very little effect stemming the eventual pandemic that killed millions.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	May 4, 09, 13:45 / #
BLS: in 1918, the Spanish flu pandemic started out exactly in this way: a few mild cases in the spring...then fizzling out...then reemerging much stronger and deadlier the following fall. Yes, and nowadays we have much more knowledge on the spread of viruses and the evolving they do and the speed that they do it at. I did read an article on that scenario you describe above and if I can find it on line I'll post it. Nowadays we expect viruses to evolve, it's no longer a surprise. BLS: No vaccine is 100% effective, Correct. Not always to do with the virus though. It can depend on the individual person. If they take a drug for something else it can interact with the vaccine and render it weaker. H1N1 is spreading fast enough, almost 1000 cases world-wide and that will increase but the good news is the death rate is low with still only 26 people have died of it, all in Mexico apart from 1.

bolekThreads: 10 Posts: 369 Joined: Sep 13, 08	May 4, 09, 23:07 / #
BLS: Read your history, folks - in 1918 Thanks, if the newspapers don't leave me depressed there is always somebody else who will, here goes another year living in suspense and anxiety waiting for the swine virus to surface with a vengeance.

Lir	May 4, 09, 23:22 / #
bolek: here goes another year living in suspense and anxiety waiting for the swine virus to surface with a vengeance. Better to be alerted to it than live in ignorance ? The World Health Organisation <WHO> says we should guard against complacency. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8032094.stm "The WHO said authorities should remain on alert. The current "round of activity" might have peaked, WHO official Gregory Hartl said, but that did not mean it was over. "There is a high possibility that this virus will come back, especially in colder periods," he said. "

bolekThreads: 10 Posts: 369 Joined: Sep 13, 08	May 4, 09, 23:58 / #
"There is a high possibility that this virus will come back, especially in colder periods," he said. " Thanks Lir for the good news, I think I will retire and live amongst the fairies.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	May 5, 09, 00:12 / #
Bolek, I wouldn't worry. WHO is expecting it to return after a "down" period so there is preparation under way. Thousands die yearly around the world from the ordinary flu, or compliations related to, so it's not a new thing. (Why isn't ordinary flu considered a pandemic each year?) Happily, we deal with things better now than in 1918, we have better communications between countries (at least regarding these sorts of things) so because WHO would expect a future outbreak they will act straight away when then first new cases are reported. They'll test the new strain and will know straight away what strain they are dealing with an can act upon it. If it actually does happen. Currently, although the H1N1 strain is moving faster, people are no more sicker with it. No worse than having a bad stomach and high temp for a day sort of thing. Many people put themselves through that after too many glasses of wine or beer. ;)

Lir	May 5, 09, 00:35 / #
You're welcome Bolek :) They're not my words but the words from a representative of the World Health Organisation. I quoted from the article in the link. I'm happy to get my info from the W.H.O and C.D.C. I prefer to be kept up to date about the situation whatever is happening. :)

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	May 5, 09, 00:41 / #
Well, we have swines with fever all the time - politicians!

pawianThreads: 80 Posts: 4,542 Joined: May 30, 08	May 5, 09, 00:44 / #
BevK: I can see the news is talking about it, and I've learned enough Polish to see which countries are being referred to, but can't see what (if any) plans are in place. I'm diabetic and also asthmatic so in the UK I would be considered at risk and a priority for a vaccine if needed. How goes that here? I don`t care. Polish vodka is able to eliminate all kinds of viruses.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Edited by: PolskaDoll May 5, 09, 00:45 / #
Ironside: Well, we have swines with fever all the time - politicians! Exactly! ;) And no one calls that a pandemic yet they really are everywhere. ;) pawian: I don`t care. Polish vodka is able to eliminate all kinds of viruses. Now that I DO believe! ;)

nunczkaThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Sep 13, 08	May 6, 09, 20:50 / #
Poland on Wednesday confirmed its first case of swine flu after tests confirmed the A(H1N1) virus in a 58-year-old woman recently arrived from the United States, Poland's health minister said.

Wroclaw Boy	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy May 6, 09, 21:02 / #
Swine feaver is gone, done, berried, yesterdays news. Whats next zombie flu? were all gonna fcuking die, blah blah.

teabagThreads: 11 Posts: 20 Joined: May 7, 07	Jun 14, 09, 14:24 / #
You are bang on about the vaccines! Although under the Texas law, for example, it is right to refuse any shots i.e. exempt your children from school vaccinations, many schools insist on a long list of injections, including 2ndary MMR's, Hepatitis B (statistically very low in US) etc.. If you show them your authorized affidavits (required for obtaining exemption), school heads will laugh at you and ask you take your kids out. This is quite scary and unlike in the UK where parents are prepared to take on the schools on such issues, here in US it’s each to his own. Furthermore, I heard recently that some 90% of all vaccines distributed by governments are sourced from China, and are subject to practically no quality tests on delivery. I wonder if anyone knows where they get theirs from in Poland. I was vaccinated in Poland some 40 years ago against what we were told was “Ospa”. My US doctor having seeing the mark I have said that this was most definitely a TB jab. Makes you wonder how little is known by the medical staff anywhere about what they are actually injecting children and adults with.

BevKThreads: 18 Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 20, 09	Jun 16, 09, 00:37 / #
wildrover: In southern Poland the first cases of mushroom flu have been confirmed..one old lady , and a 37 year old man are the first victims.... LMFAO

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,143 Joined: Jun 7, 07	May 6, 09, 22:57 / #
In southern Poland the first cases of mushroom flu have been confirmed..one old lady , and a 37 year old man are the first victims....

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow May 7, 09, 18:22 / #
Is Poland ready for the swine fever stuff? i don`t know, you tell me. How could i know? i am from Serbia. I do`t even know is it Serbia ready for swine stuff? i only hope that those mujas on Kosovo and in Bosnia aren`t immune on swine stuff

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 18, 09, 13:37 / #
BevK: so in the UK I would be considered at risk and a priority for a vaccine if needed. How goes that here? You're so very very dead.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Edited by: niejestemcapita Jun 18, 09, 13:49 / #
teabag: Makes you wonder how little is known by the medical staff anywhere about what they are actually injecting children and adults with. interesting...my daughter just had secondary MMR and was SICK AS A DOG, throwing up bile which burnt her throat and has put her off eating since....She only had it cos the practice nurse more or less twisted my arm as I was asking for tetanus....... Talking of swine fever in Poland though...I hope this official pandemic status doesn't mean there's a possibility of a travel ban..we have our tickets to Poland booked for July...

mazzastaffordshThreads: 3 Posts: 100 Joined: Oct 8, 08	Jun 25, 09, 22:44 / #
Mixed up messages here in the UK. We are told not to go to the doctor's surgery but to phone the NHS Direct number. Well I am confused if we cannot go to the doctor's to find out if we may or may not have swine flu or got to A & E at the hospital how can someone on the end of a telphone tell us if we have swine flu? I never believe a government that says we can deal with a pandemic, the British government will tell us anything but when the time comes.............that is a different matter.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 25, 09, 22:48 / #
Nauczyciel said it perfectly in post 18. Poland is ready, that's for sure.

BevKThreads: 18 Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 20, 09	Jun 26, 09, 13:07 / #
Sokrates: You're so very very dead. Why thank you Sokrates! LMAO

fiberflingerThreads: - Posts: 20 Joined: Aug 9, 09	Aug 9, 09, 04:01 / #
Oh, I am so frightened.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,521 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Aug 10, 09, 22:51 / #
Now, swine flu...Why do I post this picture?...Because 'Krakus' which says 'Product of Poland' is owned by Smithfield Global, the company whose pig farms in Mexico were the likely origin point of the so called epidemic in NA...Smithfield mass breeds pigs for slaughter, and, in Mexico, dumped intestines and pig feces in huge open 'lagoons' that became havens for every kind of bacteria and virus...The first infections in Mexico were from areas close to Smithfields pig factories...By the way, I always enjoyed Krakus Ham in the past, but now that it is owned by this global 'giant' I don't think I will indulge in it...Hopefully, environmental and agricultural conditions are better in Poland, where Krakus is supposedly produced...Also, 'Swine Flu' is an excuse for vaccine makers to make a buck selling us a tainted and possibly very dangerous product.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 11, 09, 15:36 / #
oinky oinky flu is not in Poland yet? huh

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	Aug 11, 09, 16:02 / #
mvefa: oinky oinky flu is not in Poland yet? huh It's called H1N1.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 11, 09, 16:11 / #
really? i always thought it was oinky oinky flu.... (duh)

fiberflingerThreads: - Posts: 20 Joined: Aug 9, 09	Aug 13, 09, 19:03 / #
You should watch this fellows take on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egbVv2x6FqA

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09	Aug 13, 09, 19:58 / #
Is Poland ready for the swine fever stuff? Yeah it is so bring it on!