Will Poland stick to plans for "Anti missile shield" under new threats?

The Polish political scene was seriously rocked by the address to the nation delivered by Russian president Vladimir Putin. In no certain terms the Russian head of state spoke about the threats, he sees in the installment of the anti missile shields on Polish and Czech territories and Russia's possible counter reactions.

The Thursday conference of Vladimir Putin contained some serious threats directed against the west. The Russian head of state did not exclude the possibility of aiming missiles at Eastern Europe if the US and NATO build military bases there. Vladimir Putin said that the installment of such shields is against democracy and acused United States of acting unilaterally in imposing its plans for a missile defence system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Edited by: Moderator Feb 15, 08, 18:36 / #
The Polish political scene was seriously rocked by the address to the nation delivered by Russian president Vladimir Putin. In no certain terms the Russian head of state spoke about the threats, he sees in the installment of the anti missile shields on Polish and Czech territories and Russia's possible counter reactions. The Thursday conference of Vladimir Putin contained some serious threats directed against the west. The Russian head of state did not exclude the possibility of aiming missiles at Eastern Europe if the US and NATO build military bases there. Vladimir Putin said that the installment of such shields is against democracy and acused United States of acting unilaterally in imposing its plans for a missile defence system in Poland and the Czech Republic. http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul76004_Putin_s_address _shocks_Warsaw.html

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 15, 08, 20:49 / #
What you call threats?lol

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 15, 08, 21:09 / #
aiming missiles at eastern Europe. http://www.polskieradio.pl/_admin/cm/polonia/_Sekcja163/_audio/2008021 505073632.mp3

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Feb 15, 08, 21:12 / #
celinski wrote: aiming missiles at eastern Europe. Thats like me pointing a marker at you, and then you assume I'm going to write on you. He never said he would shoot them. Empty threats. Little man wants to feel big... :]

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 15, 08, 21:18 / #
El Gato wrote: Little man wants to feel big... This is true, I think he was just trying to stir up trouble in Poland. Poland vs. Citizens that may still fear Kremlin threats. Hey it worked in Ukraine, he threatened them and they backed off going into NATO.

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Feb 15, 08, 21:20 / #
celinski wrote: This is true, I think he was just trying to stir up trouble in Poland. Poland vs. Citizens that may still fear Kremlin threats. Hey it worked in Ukraine, he threatened them and they backed off going into NATO. I honestly believe that somehow he convinced himself that Poland is still a Soviet satelite sountry...something's not right with this man. Great leader for the Russian people IMHO, but not so great when it comes to thinking clearly about the foreign agenda.

RJ_cdnThreads: - Posts: 323 Joined: Sep 10, 07	Feb 15, 08, 21:32 / #
celinski wrote: aiming missiles at eastern Europe. This is nothing new. Missiles were always pointed at Poland or Eastern Europe at any given time.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Edited by: celinski Feb 15, 08, 21:34 / #
El Gato wrote: Great leader for the Russian people IMHO I think he is teaching Russian they can behave like this in a civilized society. I posted another artical in here today that speaks to the rudeness of Russian people. I am glad when I go into the stores here in the USA the people I deal with are very nice, the artical states that in Russia they are rude. I would go nuts living around snobby people that act that way. 1498-1499 on Poland Russian Relations

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Feb 15, 08, 21:44 / #
celinski wrote: I think he is teaching Russian they can behave like this in a civilized society. I posted another artical in here today that speaks to the rudeness of Russian people. I am glad when I go into the stores here in the USA the people I deal with are very nice, the artical states that in Russia they are rude. I would go nuts living around snobby people that act that way. 1498-1499 on Poland Russian Relations They can't all be rude. Some of them are very nice and exactly like us Poles. I know that the Meroshnik family is. (well the Meroshniks I know) You just never really know. Some people are just born with a hatred toward certain individuals, like racists, but w/e.

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 06:35 / #
You gays are funny with all "baby"talk, calling Putin "little" man and so . He can do on the Russian territory whatever he wants. To much pride on your part - you want to think it's a threat, because it makes you fill important.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 12:55 / #
Another U.S. Missile Defense Facility Considered for Europe February 13, 2008 - 10:37am WASHINGTON - The U.S. is considering the addition of a mobile radar component to the missile defense system in Europe, Defense News reports. The radar would be "mobile and transportable," allowing it to be set up "closer to Iran" than the permanent radar that is already planned for installation in the Czech Republic, said Air Force Lt. Gen. Henry Obering, director of the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency. The "forward-based" radar system might be installed in southeastern Europe, possibly in Turkey, the Caucasus or the Caspian Sea region, Obering told a defense-technology conference. http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=109&sid=1344506

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 14:07 / #
El Gato wrote: So if we aim nukes at Russia, you won't consider it a threat? WOW, El Gato, no one ever thought to threaten back. Way to go.

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 14:58 / #
Some people just can not think outside of box, following the stereotypes that global media installing in your brain year after year. And everybody just repeat "threats, threats,threats". From English dictionary :"threat - declaration of intent to cause harm". Putin said:"We have no intent of targeting anyone unless we absolutely have to". "Our experts consider that this system threatens our national security and if it appears, we will be obligated to adequately react to this". "We are WARNING people ahead of time: if you take this step, then we will make this step". Where do you see threats in that? He is giving you warning, an information ahead of time , what Russia is going to do in respond. From English dictionary: "warning - advice to be careful." By the way, did Polish or Czechs have national referendum to decided if they want those systems on their land and all the consequences that will follow?

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Feb 16, 08, 15:05 / #
celinski wrote: WOW, El Gato, no one ever thought to threaten back. Way to go. isn't it in fact what putin is doing?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 07:21 / #
It was a threat so we don't have to think it is. Why would it make anyone feel important?

El GatoThreads: 9 Posts: 459 Joined: Sep 21, 07	Feb 16, 08, 13:35 / #
chulpan wrote: You gays are funny with all "baby"talk, calling Putin "little" man and so . Thank you. :] chulpan wrote: He can do on the Russian territory whatever he wants. So he can. We never said he couldn't chulpan wrote: To much pride on your part - you want to think it's a threat, because it makes you fill important So if we aim nukes at Russia, you won't consider it a threat?

paczkaThreads: 1 Posts: 113 Joined: Dec 28, 07	Feb 16, 08, 15:08 / #
plk123 wrote: isn't it in fact what putin is doing? Exactly. In fact everyone knows, that Russia has always aimed its rockets at other countries, just didnt say so. Nobody was feeling a need for a antimissile system then...

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 15:11 / #
So, El Gato: who "we", and who "you"?

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Feb 16, 08, 15:16 / #
"We"=The Free World "You"=The FSB (new name for the KGB) lol

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 15:43 / #
Your, so called "free" world has not been free for a long time. Read some books, my friend.HA-HA I see, whatever new idea your brain can not comprehend, you call it FSB. Learn some other languages beside English, read different opinions of different nations, think and read again.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Edited by: celinski Feb 16, 08, 15:48 / #
chulpan wrote: so called "free" world No, not "so called", tell Pres. Putin for me Poland is free. hahaha

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 16:50 / #
Putin - for me Russia is free. LOL

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Feb 16, 08, 18:04 / #
what,we are all pointing missiles at each other again? Ahhh,Im filled with the warm glow of nostalgia:)

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 20:02 / #
I am going to ask all of the free world again : Did Polish and Czech people have national referendum to aloud USA military bases on their territory? Or may be you are so free, that you don't meaning of word "referendum"?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 20:04 / #
chulpan wrote: Or may be you are so free, I believe, EU decided that in the best intreast of the people, lets get it.

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 20:18 / #
No, Polish nation and Czech nation must decide what they want to do as a free nations. I am asking you again :Did they have a national referendum about this issue?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 20:30 / #
chulpan wrote: Did they have a national referendum about this issue? Do I sense a wee bit of negitivity in your question? I will tell you again, "I believe, EU decided that in the best intreast of the people, lets get it." This being the case you seem to be asking a question just like Pres. Putin did. Do you by chance work for him, or maybe you just want the Polish people to fight between themselves over this? Don't worry the Polish people are intelligent and the anti missile shield will help ease the constant threats directed towards them from a close country, that by the way just told Tusk, we respect your right as an independent country to make this decission. This was on the 8th of the month.

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 16, 08, 21:13 / #
Do I sense a wee bit or sarcasm in your respond? Sarcasm is always good. Do you consider anybody with different opinion working for Putin? Polish people are free to have they own thoughts about any problem. And yes, you are right, they are intelligent enough to do so. Less stereotypes.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 16, 08, 21:59 / #
chulpan wrote: Sarcasm is always good So where are you from, Ukraine would be my second guess?

chulpanThreads: - Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 08	Feb 17, 08, 11:31 / #
Why is it important to your? I am from 3 countries at once. As for your initial question "Will Poland stick to plans for"Antimissile shield" under new threats?" - yes, Poland will stick to those plans. Foresee your next question - everybody else involved in this, will stick to their plans as well. Relax, nothing is going to happen.