WHY DO POLES AND OTHER EUROPEANS PREFER OBAMA?

Crow:

Huns were nomadic ethnic formation which, togather with Teutons and before that with Roman help, oppresed and finaly conquored Slavs of Panonia, after destruction of Great Moravia (Slavic kingdom).

Huns were not Whites. Geneticaly they belonged to Yellow (kin to Mongol) race. Any Slav who eventualy mixed with them or with Turks/Ogurs (also non-Whites) immidiately changed his genatics and stop to look like Slav phisicaly, considering that Mongoloid (Hun/Turks/Ogur) genes are dominant in case of mixing and determing phisical apperance. When we travel across the Hungaria, we easely see that they geneticaly survived as Slavs.

Hunish conquest leaved lingusitic consequences in Panonia. It is because Huns were ruling element. We must say here that by historical data, Slavs were much more numerous then Huns in Atila`s tribal alliance. Thanks to that fact, Slavs in fact assimilated Huns but, failed to preserve their language which traces greatly survived in lexic of modern day Magyars/Hungarians.

To conclude. Modern day Hungarians, by their customs and phisical apperance are still Slavs and we easely can say that they culturaly belong to Slavic world, no matter that Hungaria as state serve to German expansionistic politics in the region.

Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,551 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Jun 7, 08, 10:20 / #
Whreas in the US the chances of Obama and McCain look fairly close, in Europe, Poland included, the Mulatto candidate is overwhelmingly preferred. Why is that? Is it a backlash agaisnt the Bush presdiency? Do they believe an Obama victory will mean an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq? (That seems highly unlikely in view of that region's huge oil resoruces.) The desire to be perceived as racially tolerant? Fasciantion with the Obama's superior PR campaign? A combination of the above? Other reasons?

esekThreads: 5 Posts: 269 Joined: Jun 3, 08	Jun 7, 08, 10:38 / #
Polonius3: Other reasons? Sorry, but I think that most people in Poland couldn't care less who will be elected ... if you ask a Pole who would she/he choose then her/his opinion probably will be based on such things like who looks more friendly or smarter...

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,276 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Jun 7, 08, 10:53 / #
I see Obama as someone fresh, able to listen, provide new ideas, give hope. His background suggests tolerance and an understanding of both working class and middle class problems.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 7, 08, 11:08 / #
Obama has achieved a major success, winning the respect of George Galloway, a Scottish MP. That's NOT an easy thing to do.

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jun 7, 08, 11:11 / #
It is time for drastic change in American politics and Obama represents change in what appears to be the right direction As the Bush debacle has shown us, American politics impact heavily on the rest of the world. Americans must be aware that they vote not only for the future of their country but for the future of the world. The final result of their vote will influence how the world views America and it's people and as we all are aware, tolerance is running thin. Some Americans realise this. Let hope it's enough to make the change.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 7, 08, 11:45 / #
Polonius3: Is it a backlash agaisnt the Bush presdiency? Is it possible for there to be a backlash against someone who was never popular?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Jun 7, 08, 12:22 / #
i don`t know for other (non-Slavic) Europeans, nor i give a sh** for their oppinion but, Poles as normal people see that Clinton family is twisted and degenerated. That`s the reason why they prefer Obama over Clitorka

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 7, 08, 14:00 / #
Crow: i don`t know for other (non-Slavic) Europeans, nor i give a sh** for their oppinion What about Hungarians? They're a bit Slavic (note the origin of their agricultural vocabulary). What about all those Russians who are at least a bit of something else such as Tatar, Udmurt, Nenec, Caucasian... ? Crow: Poles as normal people see that Clinton family is twisted and degenerated I'm sure all the Poles will be grateful to you for forming their opinions for them.

SpadeThreads: 1 Posts: 111 Joined: May 18, 08	Jun 7, 08, 14:04 / #
Crow: i don`t know for other (non-Slavic) Europeans, nor i give a sh** for their oppinion but, Poles as normal people see that Clinton family is twisted and degenerated. That`s the reason why they prefer Obama over Clitorka Crow Its for Ya ;) Yo mama so poor when I ring the doorbell I hear the toilet flush!

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Jun 7, 08, 15:04 / #
osiol: What about Hungarians? They're a bit Slavic (note the origin of their agricultural vocabulary). What about all those Russians who are at least a bit of something else such as Tatar, Udmurt, Nenec, Caucasian... ? i was quite precise. You know man, your logic is so womanly sometimes. Just sometimes osiol: I'm sure all the Poles will be grateful to you for forming their opinions for them. it`s something between Poles and Serbs. It`s between us Spade: Crow Its for Ya ;) Yo mama so poor when I ring the doorbell I hear the toilet flush! bla bla bla blah blah ahahahah aaaaa a a a a

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 7, 08, 20:42 / #
bladerunner: bladerunner What the hell are you going on about? Yes the Hungarians are a mix of various different ethnicities, including Slavic. This dates back maybe even as far as the original settlement of the area by Hungarians. In the late 19th and early 20th century, there was a policy of Magyarisation, whereby Slovaks, Serbs and Slovenians, amongst others had their names changed into Hungarian forms and the Hungarian language was foisted on the population at large, regardless of their ethnic origin.

bladerunnerThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 7, 08	Jun 7, 08, 20:45 / #
osiol: What the hell are you going on about? Yes the Hungarians are a mix of various different ethnicities, including Slavic. This dates back maybe even as far as the original settlement of the area by Hungarians. In the late 19th and early 20th century, there was a policy of Magyarisation, whereby Slovaks, Serbs and Slovenians, amongst others had their names changed into Hungarian forms and the Hungarian language was foisted on the population at large, regardless of their ethnic origin. Hungarians are NOT Slavs. The amount of Slavic blood is minimal. Only Slavs in Hungary are some Slovak minorities. Most Serbs, Slovaks, and Slovenes left into areas where they had higher concentrations during that time period. Most Hungarians look different from any of the Slavic people.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 7, 08, 20:51 / #
bladerunner: Hungarians are NOT Slavs. The amount of Slavic blood is minimal I work with a Hungarian girl whose mother is Slovak. Not all Slavic people suddenly left Hungary when the nation became an independent state. My point that I was making on this thread is that Hungarians are a mixture of various different things including Slavic. This was part of a wider point that not all Slavic countries are entirely Slavic. I gave the example of Russia. I could easily have mentioned the existence of Polish names of German or even Scottish origin. I could have mentioned Bulgaria. If you want to look at everything as though it is all black and white, you do that, but don't expect other people to agree with you. There are a lot of shades between black and white, and these areas help to make this world a more interesting place.

bladerunnerThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 7, 08	Edited by: bladerunner Jun 7, 08, 20:59 / #
I never said it is all absolute black and white. But it is 90 percent accurate. Don't be one of those idiots that thinks just cause someone has a minimal amount of something, therefore all other facts are invalid. The Celts were in the Czech Republic and the Celts were in Turkey. Does that make them the same ?! HELL NO And countries that are Slavic because MOST of the population is Slavic. Slovakia has Romanian populations, and the latter is Latin. Hungary has Romanian and Slovak populations, but Hungary does not become a Slavic or Latin country.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 7, 08, 15:30 / #
Crow: i was quite precise. Who are the Slavs? Is that question womanly?

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Edited by: plk123 Jun 7, 08, 15:48 / #
Spade: Yo mama so poor when I ring the doorbell I hear the toilet flush! lol osiol: Is that question womanly? i am guessing so especially if it challenges crow's view. ;) :D it's probably going to be mccain. :/

bladerunnerThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 7, 08	Jun 7, 08, 20:35 / #
osiol: What about Hungarians? They're a bit Slavic (note the origin of their agricultural vocabulary). Hungarians are not Slavs. Even "a bit" is not the right term. Hungarians are a mix of Magyars, Huns, Goths, Turks, and Ogurs.

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Edited by: Ranj Jun 8, 08, 01:00 / #
Me and the possible next President of the USA: [imgs=]Ranj and Barack[/imgs] And btw, I'm not pregnant in the picture....it's just the scrubs;)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 8, 08, 01:11 / #
Nobody was going to say anything of the sort. Well, now that I've seen that, I want him to win.

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Jun 8, 08, 01:24 / #
It's a great picture Ranj. I'm so jealous. (glad to see you posting, girl)

RanjThreads: 27 Posts: 1,286 Joined: Sep 29, 06	Jun 8, 08, 01:28 / #
Thanks, E! It's been a rough couple of months for me, but I'm soooo glad to be back and posting. I still want all you folks from Chicago to come down and visit me (Indy 500 didn't work out for personal reasons)....there's plenty going on this summer.....I'll keep you all posted:)

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Jun 8, 08, 02:48 / #
osiol: Who are the Slavs? Is that question womanly? i apologise Pan Osilol. Sorry, for that- womanly osiol: What about Hungarians? They're a bit Slavic (note the origin of their agricultural vocabulary). Those are well known facts. I didn`t say that you aren`t right here but, it wasn`t worth to be mentioned again. We elaborated this many times. bladerunner: Hungarians are not Slavs. Even "a bit" is not the right term. Hungarians are a mix of Magyars, Huns, Goths, Turks, and Ogurs. man/neman you really hate Slavs?! Plus, you don`t know antything from history Hungarians are Slavs by origin and in general they, no matter that their language changed (due to foreign invasion on territories of old Slavic Great Moravia in Panonia region), preserved strong link with Slavic culture/linguistics. Also, they survived geneticaly as Slavs- as genetic examination prooved. bladerunner: Magyars Magyars, that are mentioned, were formed as ethnicty very late, just after invading Huns imposed their language onto defeated Slavs of Panonia. We can say that `Magyar` represent more cultural then ethnic designation. In reality- Magyar was Slav who had become Hun (Hungarian) after was culturaly/lingusiticaly (not geneticaly!) assimilated. bladerunner: Huns bladerunner: Turks, and Ogurs Huns were nomadic ethnic formation which, togather with Teutons and before that with Roman help, oppresed and finaly conquored Slavs of Panonia, after destruction of Great Moravia (Slavic kingdom). Huns were not Whites. Geneticaly they belonged to Yellow (kin to Mongol) race. Any Slav who eventualy mixed with them or with Turks/Ogurs (also non-Whites) immidiately changed his genatics and stop to look like Slav phisicaly, considering that Mongoloid (Hun/Turks/Ogur) genes are dominant in case of mixing and determing phisical apperance. When we travel across the Hungaria, we easely see that they geneticaly survived as Slavs. Hunish conquest leaved lingusitic consequences in Panonia. It is because Huns were ruling element. We must say here that by historical data, Slavs were much more numerous then Huns in Atila`s tribal alliance. Thanks to that fact, Slavs in fact assimilated Huns but, failed to preserve their language which traces greatly survived in lexic of modern day Magyars/Hungarians. To conclude. Modern day Hungarians, by their customs and phisical apperance are still Slavs and we easely can say that they culturaly belong to Slavic world, no matter that Hungaria as state serve to German expansionistic politics in the region. bladerunner: Goths Goths were Slavs. Forget about stupidity that they were ancestors of Germans. It`s such a great nonsense.

bladerunnerThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 7, 08	Edited by: bladerunner Jun 8, 08, 03:27 / #
Crow: Huns were nomadic ethnic formation which, togather with Teutons and before that with Roman help, oppresed and finaly conquored Slavs of Panonia, after destruction of Great Moravia (Slavic kingdom). Huns were not Whites. Geneticaly they belonged to Yellow (kin to Mongol) race. Any Slav who eventualy mixed with them or with Turks/Ogurs (also non-Whites) immidiately changed his genatics and stop to look like Slav phisicaly, considering that Mongoloid (Hun/Turks/Ogur) genes are dominant in case of mixing and determing phisical apperance. When we travel across the Hungaria, we easely see that they geneticaly survived as Slavs. Hunish conquest leaved lingusitic consequences in Panonia. It is because Huns were ruling element. We must say here that by historical data, Slavs were much more numerous then Huns in Atila`s tribal alliance. Thanks to that fact, Slavs in fact assimilated Huns but, failed to preserve their language which traces greatly survived in lexic of modern day Magyars/Hungarians. To conclude. Modern day Hungarians, by their customs and phisical apperance are still Slavs and we easely can say that they culturaly belong to Slavic world, no matter that Hungaria as state serve to German expansionistic politics in the region. Clearly you are mentally retarded and don't know one thing about history. The amount of Slavic blood is minimal in Hungarians. Czechs have a minimal amount of Celtic blood, but they are still Slavs no matter what because their blood group is mostly Slavic. If I used your gay theory, the Czechs would be Celts, not Slavs. Maygyars were Asiatics you idiot. Also the Teutons were in 100BC. Thats 400 years before the Huns or Slavs were in Pannonia. You really are lousy in history. It seems you never been to Hungary or to Central/Eastern Europe for that matter. Modern day Hungarians look nothing like any of the Slavic people. They do not even sound alike. I can tell accents, and a Hungarian accent is totally different from a Polish or Ukranian accent. Most of all they LOOK different from Slavs. Hungarian eyes and Magyar skin is dominant. Lets not forget they speak a language which sounds nothing like any of the Slavic languages. The only thing they adopted was Latin letters from the Romans just like West Slavs did, but they changed prounciation. And the Visigoths did have some Slavic elements mixed in, but the Ostrogoths(the ones in Hungary) did not. Face reality you homo, Hungarians are not Slavs. No one except a dumb inbred that is a product of a hooker like yourself would call them Slavs.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,900 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jun 8, 08, 08:41 / #
bladerunner: The amount of Slavic blood is minimal in Hungarians. You are completely mistaken.Slavic haplotype R1a is 60% among Hungarians.Hungarians can be seen as Slavs in a large extent. URL Crow: Huns were not Whites. Geneticaly they belonged to Yellow (kin to Mongol) race. Any Slav who eventualy mixed with them or with Turks/Ogurs (also non-Whites) immidiately changed his genatics and stop to look like Slav phisicaly, considering that Mongoloid (Hun/Turks/Ogur) genes are dominant in case of mixing and determing phisical apperance. When we travel across the Hungaria, we easely see that they geneticaly survived as Slavs. Crow: To conclude. Modern day Hungarians, by their customs and phisical apperance are still Slavs and we easely can say that they culturaly belong to Slavic world Exactly.A very accurate and insightful presentation.Genetics comply with the above estimation.It seems that Slavs have retained some collective memory which resists historical falsifies and so it is explained why Crow knows all this stuff.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Jun 8, 08, 08:52 / #
Obama is more form venus than McCain

bladerunnerThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 7, 08	Edited by: bladerunner Jun 8, 08, 09:07 / #
I dont know how it quoted you.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Jun 8, 08, 09:10 / #
don't quote me I haven't said that.

bladerunnerThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 7, 08	Edited by: bladerunner Jun 8, 08, 09:15 / #
southern: You are completely mistaken.Slavic haplotype R1a is 60% among Hungarians.Hungarians can be seen as Slavs in a large extent. You are completely retarded. The Hungarians are NOT Slavs. The majority have no Slavic features. No one except products of hookers consider Hungary a Slavic country. Most Hungarians LOOK NOTHING like Polish or other Slavic people. If you can't tell a Hungarians from a Slavic person than thats your problem. BTW...Go to Budapest and call them Slavs, and it wont be pretty what they do. They are a mix of Magyars, Huns, Goths, Ogurs, and Turks

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 8, 08, 09:22 / #
haplotype R1a is 60% among Hungarians.Hungarians can be seen as Slavs in a large extent Which R1a subclade please? One subclade for example - R1a1 (M17, M198) - is common in central- and south asia too. Haplogroup R1a is also common among Mongolic- and Turkic-speaking populations of Northwestern China, such as the Bonan, Dongxiang, Salar, and Uyghur peoples.[18][19]

bladerunnerThreads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 7, 08	Jun 8, 08, 09:25 / #
Bratwurst Boy: One subclade for example - R1a1 (M17, M198) - is common in central- and south asia too. Thats what I said . The R1 thing is dumb. If people accept R1, then Poles and East Indians are the same. But thats called retarded. A minor sharing does not make people the same. Hence, the Hungarians are not Slavs.