Polish - Israeli military cooperation

Seanus:

I agree Łukasz, Poland won't be a big player on the international scene for a long time. Building credibility through the EU is the way forward. It can't get ideas above its station and put itself at risk. The EU will help to raise the profile of Poland and restore faith.

They describe the sixth-largest country in the European Union (EU) as "the most pro-Israeli on the continent." "Warsaw is closer to Jerusalem than to Brussels," as one of these diplomats put it. "The Arab ambassadors in Warsaw have to lower their gaze time and again as they listen to the speeches of the Polish leaders about the Middle East. If there is a government in Europe that Israel relies on at times of trouble, it is the Polish one and that, despite the problematic elements in it." That was true at the time of the Second Lebanon War, and during the discussions about the Iranian nuclear program, and any time that the Middle East is
discussed in the forums of the EU or the United Nations. Israel defines bilateral relations with Poland by the unusual term "strategic," and, for its part, Warsaw does likewise.

In Poland, which is devoid of Muslim migrant workers, there is no Arab lobby, there are no calls to boycott Israeli academia, and there are no anti-Israeli
demonstrations. Posters on Jewish or Israeli themes are not defaced, shop windows displaying Jewish literature are not shattered; and synagogues do not require protection.

The country that U.S. President George Bush also describes as "our best friend in Europe" is trying to shake off the heritage of communism and the Eastern bloc's traditional pro-Arab policies. Since it does not have a
colonial past, it also does not have a moral debt to the Arab world, and that region's significance in Polish eyes is far less than the Arab world's importance to the Western world.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 11, 08, 03:48 / #
It seems that after Tusks visit in Israel thier governemnt decided to give the newest military technologies for Poland. We will see how it will look in reality. article in Polish http://www.dziennik.pl/polityka/article152536/Izrael_uzbroi_polska_arm ie.html It seems that we want to resign form US equipment and instead of that try to develope our army using Israeli ... we already have good expirience with Israeli weapons. In the result we have factory (owned by Polish people) producing this missiles in our country and our army has this missiles as well. So offset is much better than US offsets we are used to get.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 11, 08, 05:20 / #
And Warsaw becomes a terrorist target, let's rejoice :(

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 11, 08, 06:07 / #
Seanus: And Warsaw becomes a terrorist target, let's rejoice :( I am not admirer of our close cooperation with Israel. And I was a little bit shocked when I saw in TV Israeli PM calling Poland Israeli friend ... I think this all military aid has something to do with US shield, 15% for Jews (properies), Russian military help for Syria and Iran ... very comlicated issue. as to terrorists as we noticed, there is not so many potential terrorists in Poland ... I hope we are not going to be so close Israeli ally as it seems ... IMO we shouldn't play in big global games and concetrate on our region and EU ...

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 11, 08, 12:46 / #
Israeli weopons,WTF,the only stuff that doesnt come from Uncle Sam is their nuclear bombs,and frankly I wouldnt be shocked .......

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 11, 08, 12:55 / #
I agree Łukasz, Poland won't be a big player on the international scene for a long time. Building credibility through the EU is the way forward. It can't get ideas above its station and put itself at risk. The EU will help to raise the profile of Poland and restore faith.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 11, 08, 12:58 / #
Lukasz: as to terrorists as we noticed, there is not so many potential terrorists in Poland .. lukasz,hate to worry you buddy but not all terrorists are brown skinned,have a close look at a group of palastinians for example and you could easily pick half a dozen out that could pass for native "europeans".

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 11, 08, 14:27 / #
isthatu2: Israeli weopons,WTF,the only stuff that doesnt come from Uncle Sam is their nuclear bombs,and frankly I wouldnt be shocked ....... Americans don't want to sell us the newst technologies, only some F-16 and so on. Israelis sell us the newst and off sets are much beter ... what is more we get some technologies for free .... Seanus: I agree Łukasz, Poland won't be a big player on the international scene for a long time. Building credibility through the EU is the way forward. It can't get ideas above its station and put itself at risk. The EU will help to raise the profile of Poland and restore faith. agree I have been looking for something in English about military cooperation. It isn't about "tanks" it is about Poland and Israel at all (Israeli daily, I don't share their view on PL-Israeli issues All in all I find this article interesting) http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=871497&contrassI D=2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y They describe the sixth-largest country in the European Union (EU) as "the most pro-Israeli on the continent." "Warsaw is closer to Jerusalem than to Brussels," as one of these diplomats put it. "The Arab ambassadors in Warsaw have to lower their gaze time and again as they listen to the speeches of the Polish leaders about the Middle East. If there is a government in Europe that Israel relies on at times of trouble, it is the Polish one and that, despite the problematic elements in it." That was true at the time of the Second Lebanon War, and during the discussions about the Iranian nuclear program, and any time that the Middle East is discussed in the forums of the EU or the United Nations. Israel defines bilateral relations with Poland by the unusual term "strategic," and, for its part, Warsaw does likewise. In Poland, which is devoid of Muslim migrant workers, there is no Arab lobby, there are no calls to boycott Israeli academia, and there are no anti-Israeli demonstrations. Posters on Jewish or Israeli themes are not defaced, shop windows displaying Jewish literature are not shattered; and synagogues do not require protection. The country that U.S. President George Bush also describes as "our best friend in Europe" is trying to shake off the heritage of communism and the Eastern bloc's traditional pro-Arab policies. Since it does not have a colonial past, it also does not have a moral debt to the Arab world, and that region's significance in Polish eyes is far less than the Arab world's importance to the Western world.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 11, 08, 14:33 / #
Gawd,dont those isrealis look at the world through a funny shapped glass?WTF ,the protests against them bombing women and kids in the lebbanon had nothing to do with an "arab lobby" and more to do with jews and christians over here getting pee'd off at isreals continual flouting of dozens of UN resolutions not to mention slaughtering women and kids. Lukasz: what is more we get some technologies for free .... beware of greeks bearing gifts :)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 11, 08, 14:34 / #
I prefere Israelis than Iranians ... as to lebbanon I totaly agree isthatu2: beware of greeks bearing gifts :) yes yes ;) this time I agree ;-)

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 11, 08, 14:54 / #
Yep,those Iranians are a shiffty looking bunch,I think its the shiny suits and lack of neck ties...all too 80s US gangster movie for my liking :) (disclaimer,all the "persians" Ive met have been top people,no where like the loons they have in power there)

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 12, 08, 12:12 / #
joepilsudski: Israel has sold 'under the counter' US technology to China, Iran, Taiwan and other nations.. Not forgetting aparthied South Africa,UDI era Rhodesia ,all the tin pot fascist dictatorships in south america including Gualtieris neo nazi dictatorship in Argentina,gawd bless the people with forked tongues.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 12, 08, 12:29 / #
lets face it though,the last time Sweden commited a crime against humanity was Im a Barbie girl by Aqua.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Apr 14, 08, 15:06 / #
isthatu2: lets face it though,the last time Sweden commited a crime against humanity was Im a Barbie girl by Aqua. And you forget ABBA?...or were they Norweigan?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 14, 08, 15:41 / #
Im a closet ABBA fan myself,there,I admited it.They say the first step to recovory and all that...:)

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Edited by: joepilsudski Apr 12, 08, 11:58 / #
Lukasz: It seems that after Tusks visit in Israel thier governemnt decided to give the newest military technologies for Poland. We will see how it will look in reality. I will tell you how it will look...the Israelis have stolen most of their military technology from the US...then what they do is sell 'knock-off' versions of the same, or 'altered' hardware that does not work properly...they may sell Poland some outdated stuff that still works, but that is all...remember that Israel has sold 'under the counter' US technology to China, Iran, Taiwan and other nations...also, if you let Israeli 'advisers', 'contractors' or 'consultants' into the country, you will welcoming a termite's nest of spies...why not buy directly from the US or Russia?...but those countries might require hard cash...US & Russia might require 'concessions' also, in the case of the US allowing their missiles into Poland...but the Israelis will require 'concessions' also.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Apr 12, 08, 12:15 / #
Jews are making some very good weapons and can offer very good deals in case of cooperation in productions, so yes buy but don't make any front page news out of It. What's the point ? We buy military equipment from Sweden or Finland and don't scream about It all over the media.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 12, 08, 12:27 / #
Good point Greg, an intelligent comment

TheKrukThreads: 5 Posts: 389 Joined: Apr 14, 07	Apr 15, 08, 00:10 / #
I think Aqua was Norwegian and Danish perhaps a new conspiracy is afoot. Remember these people are all politicians married to large corporations, they don't give a rats dupa about the common folk.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Apr 15, 08, 05:43 / #
Yeah,those swedes eh? isnt it about timew all you nasty evil Poles open up new gas chambers to throw little scandi kids in?

WAKEUPPOLAND2Threads: 1 Posts: 63 Joined: Jan 12, 08	Apr 17, 08, 15:49 / #
[quote=isthatu2]I will tell you how it will look...the Israelis have stolen most of their military technology from the US...[/quoteJ I have to disagree with you here Joe. Technology has not been stolen....it has been handed over, and funded without any sort of regulation, at the cost of american taxpayers. Israeli technology is now outselling US technology. For over 50 years the Big Bear had been feeding and looking after its little brother, with nothing in return. Now little brother is (within character) biting the hand that fed it. Agree with the rest of what you said though....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 17, 08, 15:50 / #
ABBA are great. Polish-Israel military cooperation, hmm...

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 19, 08, 07:42 / #
I have decided to post it here. http://www.diapozytyw.pl/en/site/rok_polsko_izraelski/rok_polsko_izrae lski_wstep The Polish Year in Israel 2008/2009 is a joint venture launched by the Ministry of Culture and National Heritage and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Starting from the spring of 2008 through the spring of 2009, there will be presented various projects connected with different aspects of culture, science as well as tourism and economy. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3530512,00.html As a 60th anniversary gift to the State of Israel, and residents of Tel Aviv specifically, Polish animators and artists turned Tel Aviv‘s city hall into a bright, beautiful canvas. At nightfall Thursday night, the façade of the city's municipal building became a huge screen, featuring a breathtaking light show created by American designer Bart Kresa, featuring images inspired by Oscar award winning Polish animator Zbig Rybczynski.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Apr 19, 08, 07:59 / #
isthatu2: the last time Sweden commited a crime against humanity was Im a Barbie girl by Aqua Theya are Danes and Norwegians. Seanus: ABBA are great. Polish-Israel military cooperation, hmm... I like ABBA too. The military cooperation - well, funny how it comes back where it started (if you know the background of those who organized Israeli military forces and then lead them for a few decades).

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 19, 08, 08:40 / #
young-israeli-poland.pl Interesting articles in Polish and in English.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 23, 08, 17:19 / #
http://news.poland.com/result/news/id/293 After the visit of Prime Minister Donald Tusk’s in Israel, a strategic military partnership between Poland and Israel is forecast. Israeli Minister of Defense Ehud Barak declared, that he is ready to agree contracts with our country for the supply of newest generation weapons that can only be supplied to a partner of great trust.

JuliePotockaThreads: 6 Posts: 208 Joined: Nov 19, 07	Edited by: JuliePotocka Apr 27, 08, 19:30 / #
I don't see any sense in any country invading Iran! By invading Iraq, America has thoroughly drained itself financially, devalued her dollar against the EU, and lost many of her children. I even posted that it would become the new 'Vietnam' if America went ahead and hit Iraq. America is in the midst of a DEPRESSION, not just a Recession, caused by NAFTA. I'm seeing adults moving into houses together, because they can't afford to live alone any longer. I've seen the middle class destroyed by that agreement, after promises of higher wages. No, jobs that normally paid here 60K a year plus were shipped off to India for $2 an hour. America is falling apart, with a Wealthy group in charge - damn the rest of the country. NAFTA: betrayal of the Middle Class

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Apr 27, 08, 19:36 / #
JuliePotocka: I don't see any sense in any country invading Iran! Like 99% of people in Poland ;) I see you know where to post this opinion ;)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Apr 27, 08, 20:19 / #
Abba rocks!

JuliePotockaThreads: 6 Posts: 208 Joined: Nov 19, 07	Apr 29, 08, 02:10 / #
Who's ABBA? ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 29, 08, 14:20 / #
Where's America?