What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

NATO's war against Serbia caused no squeamishness to the Polish conscience.
The Poles as a new NATO member passed their ally examination without a problem. There were few European countries where support for bombing of Yugoslavia was so high. Hardly anywhere else in Europe were the doubters' voices so weak. Hardly anywhere else was there such strong identification of the authorities and media with the arguments of NATO Headquarters. For a long time there was no trace in Poland of the moral dilemmas existing in Western Europe. Yugoslavia was mentally too distant for the Poles, too exotic. The Poles felt none of the traditional spiritual bond that links the Czechs with the Serbs. The Poles did not feel a need for restraint, unlike the Hungarians remembering the apocalyptic slaughter their army had perpetrated on Serbian civilians. The Poles simply didn't realize that NATO's war with Serbia was also their war.

hadoukenThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Sep 9, 07	Sep 9, 07, 00:44 / #
on both a political and general level.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 9, 07, 07:19 / #
in my opinion we dont have developed relationships with serbian. They are traditionaly supported by Russinas, but i dont think it plays any role. Just another nation in sth Europe. Durring cominist times they had more authonomy in comparison to other nations in comunist block, they traded more freely with western countries. So they were richer than other comunitic coutries. They were coming to Poland for cheap entertiment. In '90 there have been war and now we go to Jugoslawian countries (rather to Croatia than to Serbia) for cheap entertiment.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 9, 07, 13:09 / #
I have friend who is half Serbian half Pole, his mouther was Serb. They lived in Serbia but they were never acteptated by Serbian comunity, when life in Poland has became better they have moved here.

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Sep 9, 07, 13:13 / #
Quoting: hadouken on both a political and general level. oh hello Crow,how's hangin'?

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Sep 9, 07, 13:21 / #
Quoting: Lukasz In '90 there have been war and now we go to Jugoslawian countries (rather to Croatia than to Serbia) for cheap entertiment. What do you mean cheap?name an item and i'll tell you price,so we can compare it with Polish. Quoting: Lukasz I have friend who is half Serbian half Pole, his mouther was Serb. They lived in Serbia but they were never acteptated by Serbian comunity, when life in Poland has became better they moved here. that's because he was probably roman catholic?serbs hate pope,they blame everything bad what happens to them on pope John Paul II and Croatia. if you like i can find you some sources,but you have to speak their language a bit.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 9, 07, 13:45 / #
Quoting: blackadder What do you mean cheap?name an item and i'll tell you price,so we can compare it with Polish. I meaned nothing bad, You know English are coming to cracov to have entertiaimnet for which they would pay much more in UK. (we can see a lot of those "tourists" in Krakow or Warszawa ...) Croatia is quite popular in Poland just form the same reason it is beautiful and in good price, and what is important nowadays ther are more and more people who just have enoght money to go somewhere for hoolidays. The fact is Jugoslawia (Serbia, Croatia ect.) was richer beffore '90 than Poland. And than you were coming to Poland for the same reasons. And this war was for all "Jugoslawians" horrible thing ...

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Sep 9, 07, 13:57 / #
Quoting: Lukasz I meaned nothing bad, You know English are coming to cracov to have entertiaimnet for which they would pay much more in UK. (we can see a lot of those "tourists" in Krakow or Warszawa ...) no,no,no.i didn't offended.it's just my brother went on school vacation in poland,and he told me that prices are similar. i.e. 0.5 litres of our most popular beer Karlovacko is priced 2.5 euro pubs.but if you go to some more popular places like dubrovnik,you will pay 5 euro for small coffee macchiatto.that's not cheap,unfortunately.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 9, 07, 14:19 / #
Quoting: blackadder 0.5 litres of our most popular beer Karlovacko is priced 2.5 euro pubs.but if you go to some more popular places like dubrovnik,you will pay 5 euro for small coffee macchiatto.that's not cheap,unfortunately. ok I m not going to negociate. In my opinion you sholdnt writte it on this forum, i know a lot of Polish people have plans to go to Croatia ;) And to stay in topic it is interesting if Serbs will become submissive to get some chances to join EU or they will stay taff in alliance with Russia.

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Sep 9, 07, 14:36 / #
Quoting: Lukasz And to stay in topic it is interesting if Serbs will become submissive to get some chances to join EU or they will stay taff in alliance with Russia. they prefer russians,of course.they are their orthodox brothers.but my opinion is that's a huge mistake.they will be isolated that way.they will have to kiss europe's ass if they want to live normal life. i hope kosovo won't be start of another cold war.oh yes and polish rocket shield...things aren't looking so well,aren't they?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 9, 07, 14:37 / #
Quoting: blackadder no,no,no.i didn't offended.it's just my brother went on school vacation in poland,and he told me that prices are similar. But If somebody want to spend holidays in a warm place It's definately cheaper to go to Croatia or Bulgaria than to Italy or Spain. Quoting: blackadder 0.5 litres of our most popular beer Karlovacko is priced 2.5 euro pubs. That's very expensive.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Sep 9, 07, 14:39 / #
Quoting: Lukasz cracov Never seen quite so many bizarre spellings for one city!

hadoukenThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Sep 9, 07	Sep 9, 07, 18:35 / #
yeah i heard serbs like poles do to our huge contribution to defending eastern europe from ottomans, but the views would be conflicted due to poles dislike for russia and orthodox religion

bartekThreads: 1 Posts: 15 Joined: Dec 27, 06	Sep 11, 07, 11:39 / #
I respect Serbs. Brave nation (i'm thinking about WWII). And polish-serbian relations were very intensiv in the past. Poles were in Kosove Pole. After that battle many serbian knights escaped to Poland. They created in XV century the heavy cavallry called... "husaria" :-) Yes, our winged hussars have exactely Serbian roots. We all heard about "chetniks". Their statut of war "Pravila chetnickoj borby" (sorry if i wrote it wrong) is in fact the translated tract of Polish general Ludwik Mierosławski "O wojnie partyzanckiej" ("About partizan war") from 1863 ("January Uprising" agains Russia).

misiek	Sep 13, 07, 15:31 / #
I also like Serbs., they are similar to us - slavians, similar mentality, and had a tough history.. Regards

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 9, 07, 14:38 / #
Quoting: hadouken What are Polish-Serbian relations like? Rather neutral I would say.

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Sep 9, 07, 14:44 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ That's very expensive. you can always buy beer in a keg somewhere inland!or ask domestic people where's the cheaper.sometimes you will find 50% lower prices for same drink just over the street.just don't drink import beer,it's too expensive.

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06	Sep 9, 07, 15:16 / #
Quoting: hadouken What are Polish-Serbian relations like? We'll see after the last Polish soccer team Euro 2008 game: Serbia-Poland :)

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 10, 07, 13:40 / #
Quoting: hadouken yeah i heard serbs like poles do to our huge contribution to defending eastern europe from ottomans, but the views would be conflicted due to poles dislike for russia and orthodox religion all Poles agreed here that our relationships are rather neutral, and I told the story of halb serb which is my friend ... We have in eastern Poland orthodox miniority (about 27% of Białystok citizens, town where I lived ) and there is no tension beetwen Catolics and Orthodox ...

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 15, 07, 11:23 / #
Quoting: Lukasz have friend who is half Serbian half Pole, his mouther was Serb. They lived in Serbia but they were never acteptated by Serbian comunity, It`s very surprising to me, honestly I live in Serbian Northern province of Voivodina and I can confirm that we have Poles hire (I didn`t tell that we have Polish minority because, Serbs don`t consider other Slavs as minority). One of my profesores on University of Novi Sad/Economic faculty was Polish woman with surname- Sigulinski. This Mrs was/is very respected among students and colegues. Man who care about my car is mechanic of Polish origin (surname Polak). I had opportunity to cooperate with one man from local administartion- inspector (surname Milinski). In general, Poles are very well accepted from Serbs and we suffer when we realize level of misunderstandings between Poles and Russians (to say between their states). Poles were neutral during conflict in former Yugoslavia. Slovaks, Rusinians (Ruthenians), Ukrainians, Czechs, Bulgarians- also. We Serbs sow that due to enormous anti-Serbian propaganda our brothers deflect from us (we stayed absolutely alone) but, our historical credibility among Slavs prevented deeper negative feelings on us and pevented histerical support for Greater Croatia (as was case on so called West). But, open and brutal military NATO attack on Serbs changed something ... and slowely, Slavs in the region (and wider) starting to think. Quoting: Lukasz And to stay in topic it is interesting if Serbs will become submissive to get some chances to join EU or they will stay taff in alliance with Russia. This is historic momentum for Slavic world and we must stay close to Russians- to give them spiritual strenght and credibility of old (primordial) Slavic core- in time when all masks falling down and when is obvious that so called West is false West. Serbs would be balance and prevent any serious conflict between Poles and Russians. We would support Christan re-union. We would do our best that dream about Slavia become reality. Modernisation of Slavic countries and maximisation of life standard are imperatives. Come to us Poles and take your place in Slavic world. Accept your historic responisbilities. Let it be what can not be. Let be freedom for Slavs!

hadoukenThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Sep 9, 07	Sep 16, 07, 12:31 / #
Being polish myself i can honestly tell you that Poles will never get a long with Russians, it's like asking serbs to get along with albanians, its just not going to happen.

gost	Sep 16, 07, 12:55 / #
Quoting: Crow We Serbs sow that due to enormous anti-Serbian propaganda our brothers deflect from us Don't you think it's your own fault? It wasn't propaganda! It was the things you did! Actually I'm not surprised at all with what you wrote. This is the typical Serbian opinion... (I apologize to Serbs who do not share this opinion. There are few of them.) The fact is that there are still many extreme right-wing politicians in your government. You sound like some dicator: Quoting: Crow Come to us Poles and take your place in Slavic world. Accept your historic responisbilities. Omg.... This is just scary! Quoting: Crow historical credibility among Slavs prevented deeper negative feelings on us and pevented histerical support for Greater Croatia Funny you don't mention that Serbians were trying to create Greater Serbia... And some of them still are.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 17, 07, 04:15 / #
Quoting: hadouken Being polish myself i can honestly tell you that Poles will never get a long with Russians, it's like asking serbs to get along with albanians, its just not going to happen. I respect your opinion. But, I believe in historic compromise between Poland and Russia. Why? Simply. Interests and necestity of survivor would lead in that dirrection And, Albanians that you mentioned. We Serbs gave them hand and we mistaken. We greatly mistaken but, if God and our Slava are upon us we would endure and borders of Slavic world won`t be pushed once again.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 20, 07, 13:32 / #
Alarming news from and arround region... Few fragments: The March to War: NATO Preparing for War with Serbia? by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya Global Research, October 19, 2007 globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7053 According to a NATO press release, “Approximately 2,000 military and 50 civilian personnel, over 30 ships and submarines and 20 fixed-wing aircraft from NATO and the Croatian Armed Forces will train together in a Crisis Response Operation scenario, where NATO is appointed by the U.N. to build up an immediate reaction in a fictitious country on the brink of civil war.” [4] Koštunica says DSS is against NATO membership 15 September 2007 \| 14:30 \| Source: Beta b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=15&nav_id=437 81&fs=1 BELGRADE -- Prime Minister and DSS leader Vojislav Koštunica said Saturday his party opposes Serbia’s NATO membership. DSS: Unilateral declaration of independence possibility 2 September 2007 \| 16:48 \| Source: Beta b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=02&nav_id=43465&fs=1 BELGRADE- "It is time to start discussions about the manner in which we, as a state, will react to the possibility of unilateral independence and the first NATO state." Bomb threat against Russian office in Kosovo? 7 September 2007 \| 19:37 \| Source: BIRN b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=09&dd=07&nav_id=43596&fs=1 Balkan Insight sources within the Kosovo Police Service, KPS, said the special security measures were being taken following threats against the Russian liaison office, located in this part of the city. Serb police clash with gunmen near Kosovo; 1 dead Sun Aug 5, 2007 3:33pm BST uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL0556171420070805 PRISTINA, Serbia (Reuters) - One person was killed when Serbian police exchanged fire with uniformed gunmen in an ethnic Albanian area of southern Serbia bordering the breakaway Kosovo province, Serbia's interior minister said on Sunday. Macedonian interior ministry confirms attack on police station located at Kosovo's border Skopje /01/08/ 14:41 makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=78123&NrIssue=413&NrSection=%2010 Macedonian police have confirmed reports of gunshots directed toward the police station located in the vicinity of the Macedonia-Kosovo border as well as handgrenades exploding not far from the station.. Why Russia Is Flexing Its Muscles Thursday, Aug. 23, 2007 By MARK THOMPSON/WASHINGTON time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655521,00.html Moscow's latest saber-rattling — flying long-range bomber patrols toward the U.S. and Britain, launching planes from its sole aircraft carrier, redeploying the Russian fleet to the Mediterranean.. Kosovo and Metohia: The Struggle will Get Fiercer 01.09.2007 Leonid IVASHOV en.fondsk.ru/article.php?id=929 Despite its territorial locality, the Kosovo problem continues to be in the focus of attention of international community, affecting the character of interaction of the United States, Russia and Europe and threatening to provoke a serious aggravation of the Russian-U.S. relations. .. Russia draws 'red line' on Kosovo, US missile defence by Staff Writers Moscow (AFP) Sept 3, 2007 spacewar.com/reports/Russia_draws_red_line_on_Kosovo_US_missile_defence_999.html Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov underlined Russia's increasingly muscular foreign policy Monday, laying out a series of non-negotiable "red line" issues including Kosovo and US missile defence... Serbia threatens to use force if West recognizes Kosovo by Nicholas Wood Published: September 5, 2007 iht.com/articles/2007/09/05/america/serbia.php BELGRADE: Serbia is ready to use force to prevent Western nations from recognizing Kosovo as an independent state, a senior Serbian official warned Wednesday.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Oct 20, 07, 17:47 / #
The Serbs have good reputation among older people because WWII. Younger are more ignorant I think, they do know Serbian volleyball team probably. :) Serbs are also considered as Russian allies however this has nothing to do with our country. Quoting: hadouken Being polish myself i can honestly tell you that Poles will never get a long with Russians, it's like asking serbs to get along with albanians, its just not going to happen. On the state level I agree but I have very good contact with some Russians despite arguing with them about politics. One thing I know for sure, there will never be any Slavic alliance. We have also good relations with non-Slavic countries of our region except Germany. I mean the Balts, Romanians and especially Hungarians whom are traditionally viewed as our best friends.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Oct 20, 07, 17:54 / #
Quoting: lesser especially Hungarians whom are traditionally viewed as our best friends. Hungarian girls love us (checked ;) )

randompalThreads: 7 Posts: 431 Joined: Jul 10, 07	Oct 21, 07, 01:25 / #
Serbs are nice but sometimes seem distant, when I travelled through Serbia they were generally nice to me upon learning that a Pole was in their midst. Croats (especially in Dubrovnik) were rather aloof, and often arrogant upon learning that a Pole was in their midst. Macedonians were super cool and welcoming, friendly and laid back..but the nicest and most welcoming were Albanians!

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 21, 07, 03:45 / #
Quoting: Lukasz Quoting: lesser especially Hungarians whom are traditionally viewed as our best friends. Hungarian girls love us (checked ;) ) True, checked, from different angles ;)

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 21, 07, 05:36 / #
Quoting: hadouken What are Polish-Serbian relations like? Maybe this fragment from article of Warsaw voice, can tell us something on that. I would later say few more comments on this... The Case of Slobodan Milosevic 29 March 2006 warsawvoice.pl/view/10949 NATO's war against Serbia caused no squeamishness to the Polish conscience. The Poles as a new NATO member passed their ally examination without a problem. There were few European countries where support for bombing of Yugoslavia was so high. Hardly anywhere else in Europe were the doubters' voices so weak. Hardly anywhere else was there such strong identification of the authorities and media with the arguments of NATO Headquarters. For a long time there was no trace in Poland of the moral dilemmas existing in Western Europe. Yugoslavia was mentally too distant for the Poles, too exotic. The Poles felt none of the traditional spiritual bond that links the Czechs with the Serbs. The Poles did not feel a need for restraint, unlike the Hungarians remembering the apocalyptic slaughter their army had perpetrated on Serbian civilians. The Poles simply didn't realize that NATO's war with Serbia was also their war. [I warmly recommend complete article for reading] It seams that there are people in Poland who seek to found real reasons for recent events on Balkan and who seek to listen what Serbs have to say... Us Vs. the World *Warsaw voice* 12 May 2004 warsawvoice.pl/view/5578 The town of Żyrardów hosted three poets from Vietnam, Cameroon and Serbia to mark UNESCO's World Poetry Day Celebration. Quoting: randompal Serbs are nice but sometimes seem distant Why?

randompalThreads: 7 Posts: 431 Joined: Jul 10, 07	Oct 21, 07, 14:12 / #
Unfortunately for me its hard to explain, but I didnt feel any of the warmness towards starngers that I felt in other places like Macedonia or Albania-but maybe because I spent most of my time in Belgrade. That's not to say I diidnt meet ANY nice people in Belgrade, because I did. It seemed like the few I had conversasions with didnt seem to interested in spending the time to chat, unlike in other places. In Croatia on the other hand people seemed downright aloof by comparison, just an impression.

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Oct 21, 07, 17:27 / #
Quoting: randompal In Croatia on the other hand people seemed downright aloof by comparison, just an impression. sorry to hear that.you got wrong impression pal.