What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

Lukasz:

It seems that not only Serbs commited genocides in Yugoslavia what is more in result of this wars Serbs lost their lands. First thing what Germans did was support for their allies form WWII. It is fact. I am not defending Serbs. They commited crimes like all other sides of this conflict.

Lukasz:

BTW don't you find it interesting that in this year during peace mission in Kosovo. European forces under German command were sending French, Ukrainians and Poles in first line to pacify demonstrating Serbs.

Lukasz:

when we look on fact that in different chapters in history this countries supported Serbs. I'd say Germans are having fun ! Ok they are tesing loyality. Why they secure their old friendships with Albanians and Croats. Yes we need to break relationship with countries with little symphaty towards us because it is German decision. The same as French or Ukrainians. It is psychological test !!

Dekameron:

Oh please dont start that bullcrap ...

Dekameron:

Jesus Christ, come on man, the point is there is no logical link between World War 2 and current serbian situation and yes everyone commited atrociities but the point is Serbs did MUCH more than anyone else, they were the only side to organize and undertake a mass goverment approved ethnic cleansing.

southern:

Budapest is not in Balkans.

Lukasz:

When Poland doesn't agree on Nord Stream ... Germans tell that we are not european

Lukasz:

The fact is that it was German order and Frech Polish and Ukrainian troops were send together on first line. It is not coincidence. It is normal loyality test. The problem is that I am not so sure if Germans are ready for such tests ... What kind of loyality is that ? To Germans ? to EU ? or what?

Lukasz:

as I've said. Germans secure their old ties.

Lukasz:

Polands business in strong Turkey who will secure Turks form ethnic cleanising. In Polands business in strong USA, in Polands business are good relations with countries like Czechs Slovaks Ukrainians Sweden, British, France and countries we have traditionaly good relations with. Germans were always false towards Polish and will always be, we saved them several times and it haven't change anything. At the end I prefere Russians than Germans

NEW YORK -- Polish President Lech Kaczynski say he will block attempts to establish diplomatic relations with Kosovo at ambassadorial level.

Speaking in New York on Wednesday, Kaczynski once again condemned the Polish government's decision to recognize Kosovo.

"I have never tried to hide that I consider it a mistake. However, the government's decision is legitimate, but I, too, have my competencies and I am saying with severity - there will be no signature of mine on appointing an ambassador to Kosovo," he was quoted as saying.

BELGRADE -- The War Crimes Prosecution has filed a motion to launch an investigation into the actions of Hungarian national Sandor Kepiro, 94.

The mass and the most monstrous killings happened on the Danube River bank in Novi Sad, known as the Štrand.

With temperatures at around minus 30 degrees centigrade, the victims were taken to the previously cut holes in the ice of the frozen river, where they were killed with fire from infantry weapons.

Their bodies were then dumped into the Danube.

Before they met their deaths, the victims were stripped of their clothes, with all their valuables confiscated, the statement reads.

Lukasz:

Serbs have choosen Russians ...and it wasn't good choice

Sasha:

What choice would be better? Btw they'd chosen us looong time before that, friend.

Dekameron:

Given that Russia does not have allies but simply pawns it was a bad choice, Russia never EVER treated any of its contemporaries with respect to their rights and freedoms simply utilizing the allied states as means to russian goals, often bringing harm to these "allied" states.

Dekameron:

Oh please dont start that bullcrap ...

Sasha:

I didn't understand... Are you planning to stay as the only bullcrap-vector on this forum?
The statement made in impolite and self-assured manner doesn't make it right.

Dekameron:

Ah sorry in some hungarian restaurans you will not get served if you speak in russian

Dekameron:

Poland ? Russia is seen here as a barbaric craphole,

Sasha:

What choice would be better?

Sasha:

Btw they'd chosen us looong time before that, friend.

Lukasz:

They should talk better to Americans.

Lukasz:

Finaly you sold them bought their companies for peanuts.

Lukasz:

It seems that they have changed their mind.

Sasha:

Firstly what do mean by "Lithuania hates us"? :) Their people hate us or their government hates us?

Sasha:

I don't know about you but for me hatred and buzzwords in general are markers of ignorance of the particular human.

Sasha:

As for Lithuania... I'm Lithuanian descendant but proud to be Russian (nationality for me is a question of sef-identiification rather than blood) and personally know some mixed Lit-Rus people who are not a rara avis in the western Russia... they feel like at home. Russian nation is mostly friendly and tolerant. I like them and proud to be part of them.

Sasha:

That's their problem if so. I mind my own business and trying to do my best for people aorund regardless of their nation unless they're complete bastards. I don't think if you don't speak Russian you won't be served in any restaurants in Moscow and it's the thing to be proud of as well.

Sasha:

That's your personal opinion of rough and uneducated person who you in fact are

Sasha:

You must be kidding...

Sasha:

Serbs haven't. From my large experience it's the only nation that with no evident reason likes Russians more than they like themselves. Some fraternal ties will always be between us. As for Tadic... he has never been pro-Russian.

Lukasz:

Lithuanians have similar opinion about Poland, only because we support them they are quite nice.

Dekameron:

Lithuanian dislike of Poles is completely justified given that we tried to take away one of their major cities for basically no reason, we're to Lithuania mainly invaders.

lesser:

Of course concept of collective guilt is nonessential. What major city do you mean?

Dekameron:

if you cant take a hint by the tone in their media, foreign diplomacy and internal attitude to their russian citizens then i have no questions

Dekameron:

Not at all, given that Russia occupied Lithuania for quite a while and we all know just how the russian occupation looks like there's reasons enough to hate

Dekameron:

Russians follow their foreign policy without question which in my book makes them barbaric, in any civil country a former KGB agent would never become president.

Lukasz:

Tadic is supported by majority...

Lukasz:

Poles like Russians

Sasha:

Pleasant to hear but... I don't feel it. Or if you call that "poles like" then I may say "Russians adore Poles". Do you need any quotation of your "love" or you may see it yourself?

Sasha:

You merely don't want to understand Russians

Sasha:

Could you pls name me at least one European country that's experienced as many revolutions in the past century as Russia has?

Sasha:

Does that mean we've had "no question" to our government?

Sasha:

overthrew communism dreaming about democracy

Sasha:

Step by step we're getting better.

Sasha:

Pleasant to hear but... I don't feel it. Or if you call that "poles like" then I may say "Russians adore Poles". Do you need any quotation of your "love" or you may see it yourself?

Jeton Jashari, an 18-year-old Kosovan from Toorack Road, Wealdstone, appeared at Harrow Magistrates' Court this morning (Thursday) to answer charges of rape and theft of a mobile phone. He was remanded back in custody, having been arrested yesterday at home.

Crow:

with some of his Albanian friends so that he can expiriance wild monstrous sex.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 25, 08, 09:24 / #
It seems that not only Serbs commited genocides in Yugoslavia what is more in result of this wars Serbs lost some lands with pure Serbian majority. First thing what Germans did was support for their old allies form WWII. It is fact. I am not defending Serbs. They commited crimes like all other sides of this conflict. BTW don't you find it interesting that in this year during peace mission in Kosovo. European forces under German command were sending French, Ukrainians and Poles in first line to pacify demonstrating Serbs. I when we look on fact that in different chapters in history this countries supported Serbs. I'd say Germans are having fun ! Ok they are tesing loyality. Why they secure their old friendships with Albanians and Croats they will never send soldiers to pacyfy their friends form WWII. Yes we need to break relationship with countries with little symphaty towards us because it is German decision. The same as French or Ukrainians. It is psychological test !! Germans secure their old friends: I know that in Polands situation it would be hard to play with Russians, Poland never was in easy situation ... BUT WE SHOULD BE AWARED !!!

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 25, 08, 09:30 / #
Lukasz: It seems that not only Serbs commited genocides in Yugoslavia what is more in result of this wars Serbs lost their lands. First thing what Germans did was support for their allies form WWII. It is fact. I am not defending Serbs. They commited crimes like all other sides of this conflict. Jesus Christ, come on man, the point is there is no logical link between World War 2 and current serbian situation and yes everyone commited atrociities but the point is Serbs did MUCH more than anyone else, they were the only side to organize and undertake a mass goverment approved ethnic cleansing. Lukasz: BTW don't you find it interesting that in this year during peace mission in Kosovo. European forces under German command were sending French, Ukrainians and Poles in first line to pacify demonstrating Serbs. Oh please dont start that bullcrap ... Lukasz: when we look on fact that in different chapters in history this countries supported Serbs. I'd say Germans are having fun ! Ok they are tesing loyality. Why they secure their old friendships with Albanians and Croats. Yes we need to break relationship with countries with little symphaty towards us because it is German decision. The same as French or Ukrainians. It is psychological test !! What the hell ? Do you honestly believe that internation relations are governed by sentiments like "having fun" ? Whatever Crow carries is apparently contagious.

rockThreads: 6 Posts: 1,493 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Sep 25, 08, 10:05 / #
Let's see how Bosniaks were together with Serbs and Croats before Turks ; The Bogomils spread westwards and settled first in Serbia; but at the end of the 12th century Stefan Nemanja, king of Serbia, burned them, persecuted them and expelled them from the country. Large numbers took refuge in Bosnia, where they were known under the name of Patarenes or Patareni. There, they were also brought into connection with the indigenous Bosnian Church, which was also considered heretical by the Pope and Byzantines, but was not actually Bogomil in nature. From Bosnia, their influence extended into Italy (Piedmont). The Hungarians undertook many crusades against the heretics in Bosnia, but towards the close of the 15th century, the conquest of that country by the Turks put an end to their persecution. It is alleged that a large number of the Bosnian Paterenes, and especially the nobles, embraced Islam.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 25, 08, 10:09 / #
Dekameron: Oh please dont start that bullcrap ... The fact is that it was German order and Frech Polish and Ukrainian troops were send together on first line. It is not coincidence. It is normal loyality test. The problem is that I am not so sure if Germans are ready for such tests ... What kind of loyality is that ? To Germans ? to EU ? or what? Dekameron: Jesus Christ, come on man, the point is there is no logical link between World War 2 and current serbian situation and yes everyone commited atrociities but the point is Serbs did MUCH more than anyone else, they were the only side to organize and undertake a mass goverment approved ethnic cleansing. as I've said. Germans secure their old ties. If you don't see it ... I don't know what to say. It is hard to measure who commited more crimes. For sure some Serb leaders commited war crimes the same as Croatians and Albanians. In Kosovo ethnic cleanising has been started by Albanians... It is historical fact. ... anny way ... Serbs have choosen Russians ...and it wasn't good choice. We should be awared that somebody is testing our loyality and in the same moment is not going to be tested by any other members. When Poland doesn't agree on Nord Stream ... Germans tell that we are not european.

rockThreads: 6 Posts: 1,493 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Sep 25, 08, 10:50 / #
southern: Budapest is not in Balkans. If you ciriticize my English it is ok. But if you really think I don't know where is Budapest it is more than funny. Meanwhile, I could not answer your mail because it is full of contradiction.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 25, 08, 11:20 / #
Lukasz: When Poland doesn't agree on Nord Stream ... Germans tell that we are not european No **** ? What are we then, asian ? Seriously the level of ridiculousness just keeps rising. Lukasz: The fact is that it was German order and Frech Polish and Ukrainian troops were send together on first line. It is not coincidence. It is normal loyality test. The problem is that I am not so sure if Germans are ready for such tests ... What kind of loyality is that ? To Germans ? to EU ? or what? What loyalty test ??? French, Polish and Ukrainian troops were stationing nearby so they got sent into the area whereas german troops were further away, its normal rules of deployment and what the hell do they have with loyalty ?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 25, 08, 11:34 / #
Russia was archenemy of Germany during WWII...after Luki's logic we should be again....what...??? scratches head

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 25, 08, 11:51 / #
Lukasz: as I've said. Germans secure their old ties. Ok i will humor you, could you please specify the purpose why Germany would do so ?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 25, 08, 12:11 / #
World is changing German weaken their old enemies in strategic regions. In Polands business in strong Turkey who will secure Turks form ethnic cleanising in Germany, Turks are first barrer for nationalistic Germans. In Polands business in strong enought USA, in Polands business are good relations with countries like Czechs Slovaks Ukrainians Sweden, UK, France etc... and countries we have traditionaly good relations with. Germans were always false towards Polish and will always be, we saved them several times and it hasn't change anything. At the end I prefere Russians than Germans. When we look on Nord Stream and opinion polls in Germany I am awared that there is huge change in way of thinking. This "coincidence" with soldiers just show how europe is going to look like under German rule. Germans try to spoil all good contacts of european countries. They don't spoil their.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 25, 08, 12:12 / #
Lukasz: Polands business in strong Turkey who will secure Turks form ethnic cleanising. In Polands business in strong USA, in Polands business are good relations with countries like Czechs Slovaks Ukrainians Sweden, British, France and countries we have traditionaly good relations with. Germans were always false towards Polish and will always be, we saved them several times and it haven't change anything. At the end I prefere Russians than Germans I'm sorry but thats gibberish, i dont even mean common sense but the composition of the post makes it impossible to make out what you're saying.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Sep 27, 08, 07:21 / #
Wilno was populated by Poles. You could also claim that Berlin is Slavic.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Sep 25, 08, 12:19 / #
I feel so mean! slinks away into corner

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Sep 25, 08, 12:26 / #
Poland won't open embassy in Priština 25 September 2008 \| 11:22 \| Source: Beta http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=25 &nav_id=53743 Lech Kaczynski addresses the UN GA (Beta) NEW YORK -- Polish President Lech Kaczynski say he will block attempts to establish diplomatic relations with Kosovo at ambassadorial level. Speaking in New York on Wednesday, Kaczynski once again condemned the Polish government's decision to recognize Kosovo. "I have never tried to hide that I consider it a mistake. However, the government's decision is legitimate, but I, too, have my competencies and I am saying with severity - there will be no signature of mine on appointing an ambassador to Kosovo," he was quoted as saying. Belgrade to probe WW2 Hungarian war criminal 25 September 2008 \| 17:29 \| Source: Beta http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=25&n av_id=53756 BELGRADE -- The War Crimes Prosecution has filed a motion to launch an investigation into the actions of Hungarian national Sandor Kepiro, 94. The mass and the most monstrous killings happened on the Danube River bank in Novi Sad, known as the Štrand. With temperatures at around minus 30 degrees centigrade, the victims were taken to the previously cut holes in the ice of the frozen river, where they were killed with fire from infantry weapons. Their bodies were then dumped into the Danube. Before they met their deaths, the victims were stripped of their clothes, with all their valuables confiscated, the statement reads.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Sep 25, 08, 13:53 / #
Lukasz: Serbs have choosen Russians ...and it wasn't good choice What choice would be better? Btw they'd chosen us looong time before that, friend.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 25, 08, 14:35 / #
Sasha: What choice would be better? Btw they'd chosen us looong time before that, friend. Given that Russia does not have allies but simply pawns it was a bad choice, Russia never EVER treated any of its contemporaries with respect to their rights and freedoms simply utilizing the allied states as means to russian goals, often bringing harm to these "allied" states.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Sep 25, 08, 22:12 / #
Dekameron: Given that Russia does not have allies but simply pawns it was a bad choice, Russia never EVER treated any of its contemporaries with respect to their rights and freedoms simply utilizing the allied states as means to russian goals, often bringing harm to these "allied" states. Dekameron: Oh please dont start that bullcrap ... I didn't understand... Are you planning to stay as the only bullcrap-vector on this forum? The statement made in impolite and self-assured manner doesn't make it right.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Edited by: Dekameron Sep 26, 08, 01:40 / #
Sasha: I didn't understand... Are you planning to stay as the only bullcrap-vector on this forum? The statement made in impolite and self-assured manner doesn't make it right. Very well then lets take a look at russian allies, Lithuania ... ah wait Lithuania hates you, Hungary ? Ah sorry in some hungarian restaurans you will not get served if you speak in russian. So who else was a russian ally ? Poland ? Russia is seen here as a barbaric craphole, wait maybe Ukraine ? Oh right Ukraine had an orange revolution. So hm who else would be a russian ally ? The hard facts are that only countries who's existence depends on russians approval such as Belarus or Abkazia and Osetia ally themselves with Russia, everyone else either hates or distrust Russia because of the irresponsible and agressive politics and diplomacy it has always and still does excersize. Also if you feel i'm impolite you're welcome to respond in kind i'm not made of paper and i have this habit of calling out things the way i see them especially if history and factual basis back me up on my views.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Edited by: Sasha Sep 26, 08, 04:21 / #
Firstly what do mean by "Lithuania hates us"? :) Their people hate us or their government hates us? I don't know about you but for me hatred and buzzwords in general are markers of ignorance of the particular human. Thus if you mean people I may only conclude from your words you consider them mostly ignorant, however if you mean government then I don't give a sh!t since politician are merely bunch of liers everywhere. As for Lithuania... I'm Lithuanian descendant but proud to be Russian (nationality for me is a question of sef-identiification rather than blood) and personally know some mixed Lit-Rus people who are not a rara avis in the western Russia... they feel like at home. Russian nation is mostly friendly and tolerant. I like them and proud to be part of them. Upd: Ukraine? 60% of Russians (here citizens) have relatives in Ukraine. Silly to think they don't like us. We're essentially the one whole. Does your left hand hate your right one? Dekameron: Ah sorry in some hungarian restaurans you will not get served if you speak in russian That's their problem if so. I mind my own business and trying to do my best for people aorund regardless of their nation unless they're complete bastards. I don't think if you don't speak Russian you won't be served in any restaurants in Moscow and it's the thing to be proud of as well. Dekameron: Poland ? Russia is seen here as a barbaric craphole, That's your personal opinion of rough and uneducated person who you in fact are. Nevertheless I don't want you to shut up your craphole (read "mouth"), because people like you are very useful for Russia, for the way we're seen in the world (including Poland). One jewish doer was asked on how many promoters he'd needed for the propaganda of Zionism. He said "I don't need any... just give me 30-40 docked young men of aryan appearance yealling antisemitic slogans. The more stupid they [slogans] will be the better. Think it's the best advertising of our views." So... you can carry on... I've got one more thing which is probably good to mention at this point. I've noticed that in pol-net almost at any forum (even about flowers and gardening lol) one can easily find some gibberish about Ruses whereas in the ru-net there's significantly less number of jerks who throw mud to Poles. Strange... especially considering the fact many Poles think Russians are arrogant. Or let's recall what was yesterday... as only insane jew-eater appeared, some accusing him in being nazi started to talk about hypothetical russkies kalmyks and spreading of venerical deceases among Russian women. Great... it was hillarious. :)) It's also funny how you have a gall to call me Polonophobe being a pure Russophobe yourself. :)) The best defence is an attack, or what?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 26, 08, 05:20 / #
Sasha: What choice would be better? They could talk better with Americans. Germans will always be against their old enemies and with their old friends. . Finaly you sold them and bought their companies for peanuts. Sasha: Btw they'd chosen us looong time before that, friend. It seems that they have changed their mind.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Sep 26, 08, 05:52 / #
Lukasz: They should talk better to Americans. You must be kidding... Lukasz: Finaly you sold them bought their companies for peanuts. Oh yeah... I see your point. Ok. Lukasz: It seems that they have changed their mind. Serbs haven't. From my large experience it's the only nation that with no evident reason likes Russians more than they like themselves. Some fraternal ties will always be between us. As for Tadic... he has never been pro-Russian.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 26, 08, 06:00 / #
Sasha: Firstly what do mean by "Lithuania hates us"? :) Their people hate us or their government hates us? Both, if you cant take a hint by the tone in their media, foreign diplomacy and internal attitude to their russian citizens then i have no questions. Sasha: I don't know about you but for me hatred and buzzwords in general are markers of ignorance of the particular human. Not at all, given that Russia occupied Lithuania for quite a while and we all know just how the russian occupation looks like there's reasons enough to hate. Sasha: As for Lithuania... I'm Lithuanian descendant but proud to be Russian (nationality for me is a question of sef-identiification rather than blood) and personally know some mixed Lit-Rus people who are not a rara avis in the western Russia... they feel like at home. Russian nation is mostly friendly and tolerant. I like them and proud to be part of them. So basically you're a russian with lithuanian roots, self explanatory, i concur that russian people are extremely friendly and well educated, Moscow metro is the only place where i've seen people read classic literature from all the cities i've been. However russian people are not tolerant, Russia is currently the most xenophobic country in Europe not to mention that Russians follow their foreign policy without question which in my book makes them barbaric, in any civil country a former KGB agent would never become president. Sasha: That's their problem if so. I mind my own business and trying to do my best for people aorund regardless of their nation unless they're complete bastards. I don't think if you don't speak Russian you won't be served in any restaurants in Moscow and it's the thing to be proud of as well. Well you're the descendants of murderers you havent been on the receiving end so of course you harbour no ill feelings :) Sasha: That's your personal opinion of rough and uneducated person who you in fact are No ? I live in Poland ? A country where your people rape stole and pillaged whenever they could ? Stories of Russians who did not know how to flush a toilet or marveled at our wrist watches back when you "liberated" us still abound, we have absolutely no reason to like Russia and plenty of reasons to dislike and distrust it.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 26, 08, 06:19 / #
Sasha: You must be kidding... I am not kidding. If they had spoken to Americans they would be mauch stronger after the war. Of course other states in region would have been independent but compromises wouldn't be made on their cost. Finaly German proposal won. Sasha: Serbs haven't. From my large experience it's the only nation that with no evident reason likes Russians more than they like themselves. Some fraternal ties will always be between us. As for Tadic... he has never been pro-Russian. Yes I've met some Serbs and they some of them see in Russia what some Poles see in USA. As for Tadic we will see what he is going to achieve. Tadic is supported by majority... Lithuanians have similar opinion about Poland, only because we support them they are quite nice. Poles like Russians and don't like Russia, maybe it is strange but it is fact. Read current opinion polls.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 26, 08, 10:01 / #
Lukasz: Lithuanians have similar opinion about Poland, only because we support them they are quite nice. Lithuanian dislike of Poles is completely justified given that we tried to take away one of their major cities for basically no reason, we're to Lithuania mainly invaders.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Sep 27, 08, 07:01 / #
Dekameron: Lithuanian dislike of Poles is completely justified given that we tried to take away one of their major cities for basically no reason, we're to Lithuania mainly invaders. Of course concept of collective guilt is nonessential. What major city do you mean?

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 27, 08, 07:17 / #
lesser: Of course concept of collective guilt is nonessential. What major city do you mean? Yes it is but the negative sentiment is understood and i meant Wilno or Wilinus ( is that how its spelled ?)

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Edited by: Sasha Sep 28, 08, 03:33 / #
Dekameron: if you cant take a hint by the tone in their media, foreign diplomacy and internal attitude to their russian citizens then i have no questions Foreign diplomacy is a politician stuff. I'm ok with that... at present it's kinda fashion to dislike Russia dancing to the american tune. As for internal attitude I disagree... I've never felt like that even though I don't speak Lithuanian. Some people were not very friendly... but I doubt they would be my friends, even if I spoke it and were Lithuanian by my mind. Dekameron: Not at all, given that Russia occupied Lithuania for quite a while and we all know just how the russian occupation looks like there's reasons enough to hate With that approach you don't leave any chance for our future relationships. Probably it's better to say you don't leave a room for yourself in our future relationships. I'm sure both in Russia and in Poland there're people who're ready to change that poor state of affairs, to make a first step meeting each other halfway. Dekameron: Russians follow their foreign policy without question which in my book makes them barbaric, in any civil country a former KGB agent would never become president. You merely don't want to understand Russians. Could you pls name me at least one European country that's experienced as many revolutions in the past century as Russia has? Does that mean we've had "no question" to our government? Russians overthrew communism dreaming about democracy, they got it and you know I can't blame Russians for getting rid of eltsyn's lame democracy and I strongly believe that put-med era will come to an end soon too... and then we'll probably have a really nice candidat to vote for. Step by step we're getting better. Lukasz: Tadic is supported by majority... Firstly 3% gap with Nikolic is not an overwhelming majority, secondly the overwhelming majority of those who voted for him are ethnical minorities (you know who I mean), thirdly judging by the moods in Serbian society figures are fabricated. Lukasz: Poles like Russians Pleasant to hear but... I don't feel it. Or if you call that "poles like" then I may say "Russians adore Poles". Do you need any quotation of your "love" or you may see it yourself? UPD: P.S. Dekameron... one more thing... you're fond of talks about Russian "liberation" of Poland that we've terrorized you along the history. I think you should see it from the other point of view... that's a history, everything's happened, at some ages we were saved by miracle from your occupation. Who knows what would be if you occupied us? Probably we would exchange our roles... barbaric, savage psheks who don't know how to flush the toilet and poor russkies with a constant Russian victimhood and strong hatred towards poles (but with a good beer I guess). Thank history (or Russians)... they saved you of being an empire like Swedens thank us for their defeat in 1242.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 28, 08, 03:50 / #
Sasha: Pleasant to hear but... I don't feel it. Or if you call that "poles like" then I may say "Russians adore Poles". Do you need any quotation of your "love" or you may see it yourself? He's right though, most Poles like Russians. Sasha: You merely don't want to understand Russians Oh i understand Russians, i've got plenty of russian friends, i've traveled through Russia not to mention i'm a former student of international affairs so there's basis to what i say. Russians are friendly and warm but at the same time have a twisted sense of pride, there's no real intellectual elite in Russia since its been murdered or supressed in the last century, the entire russian populace is heavily indoctrinated with false history and outright propaganda which creates a nation with dangerous pride and agressive brutal outward policy. Russia had potential to overshadow all powers as the proudest country, currently you are a country with history of abuse, murder and backwardness and quite frankly the current russian national awareness is directly descended from that history. Sasha: Could you pls name me at least one European country that's experienced as many revolutions in the past century as Russia has? You had one major revolution in which you exchanged one tyrant for another tyrant, destroyed major part of your cultural and intellectual heritage but basically little changed. Sasha: Does that mean we've had "no question" to our government? Look how it turned out. Sasha: overthrew communism dreaming about democracy And today they're an authocratic state ruled by secret services interlinked with mafia and mlitaristic circles which murder imprison or suppress all significant opposition. Sasha: Step by step we're getting better. Yes but these are very small steps and people like Putin or Miedviediev can put you back on the bad track with one move. Dont get me wrong i recognize Russia as great and powerfull just not very responsible with its power, quite frankly i believe that before Russia shoulders its true potential as a stable and proud country we're going to have another european conflict with Russia being the new 3rd Reich.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 28, 08, 05:31 / #
Sasha: Pleasant to hear but... I don't feel it. Or if you call that "poles like" then I may say "Russians adore Poles". Do you need any quotation of your "love" or you may see it yourself? Poles like one Russian or two Russians, when we talk about Russia it looks much different. Russian litertaure and culture is very popular in Poland. There is magazine about Poland in Russia НOВАЯ ПOЛЬША - Last time KGB Putin try to close it and I think he will be successful but now you can buy it.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 30, 08, 14:59 / #
People really need to keep their eye on them, on those Albanians: Second Man Charged Over Park Rape http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west-london-news/local-harrow-news/200 8/09/25/second-man-charged-over-park-rape-116451-21902047/ Sep 25 2008 By Ian Proctor Jeton Jashari, an 18-year-old Kosovan from Toorack Road, Wealdstone, appeared at Harrow Magistrates' Court this morning (Thursday) to answer charges of rape and theft of a mobile phone. He was remanded back in custody, having been arrested yesterday at home. If there is justice in Poland, Tusk should be arrested and persecuted for took part in creation of Greater Albania- criminal narco-NATO state. Tusk should be jailed as Slavic traitor and great vermin. Put him in jail with some of his Albanian friends so that he can expiriance wild monstrous sex.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,958 Joined: May 17, 07	Sep 30, 08, 15:23 / #
Crow: with some of his Albanian friends so that he can expiriance wild monstrous sex. Albanian terror.