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  Nov 23, 08, 10:17 /  #
I am halfpolish and halfserbian I wonder what serbia thinks of poland and poland thinks of serbia ?

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  Nov 23, 08, 10:29 /  #
Anna Kowalik:

Anna Kowalik


Please ask Crow. He will give you a VERY detailed response.
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Edited by: Dersu Uzala   Nov 28, 08, 23:39 /  #
Anna Kowalik:

...I wonder...


Interesting question Anna. First off, wonderful combination of Pan-Slavic heritage.

I'm not quite sure about the present day mutual feelings so I can only offer a glimpse of the past. Back in the early seventies, in times when Serbia was an integral part of Yugoslavia, I had a privilege to venture to Poland on several occasions. Oddly enough, our Yugoslavian (I'm a Serb born in Belgrade in the sixties) elementary schools had wonderful summer and winter vacation programs, and almost every child in school could afford it. Children of white-collar families more so than their blue-collar compatriots. Between ages 9-11 I went skiing in Poland with my school 3 times. Żywiec & Zakopane. Needless to say, I loved it. Venturing to a foreign country does have it's charms for a nine year old boy. Unfortunately, at the time Poland did not do so well and Yugoslavia did. This in turn created a bit of 'superiority complex' with some of our kids and professors. We fully knew the extent of Polish dependency and abuse by Russian rule. Some of us felt sorry for Polish circumstances, some other were thinking 'serves you right for not standing up to mighty Soviets'. Yugoslavia did stand up to mighty Soviets but only with western help. Not to mention that it's much easier to prevent Russian excursion to Yugoslavia half a Europe away, than it was for Poland to defend from a neighboring SSSR. Still, many felt that it was your own undoing and the fact that Poles are Catholic Slavic brothers did not help your cause with Orthodox Slavic brothers. Serbs, throughout history, had quite a few collision courses with their closest brothers from Croatia and Bosnia, once these peoples converted to Catholicism and/or Islam. It's the elephant memory syndrome, Serbs hardly forget. I don't think they ever forgive, unfortunately. We see Orthodoxy as everyone's divine right, and we can't fathom how other nations can't see it. Other nations of course see other religions as their divine right.

Going back to story, Poland was beautiful. People, places, everything. We didn't care much for the food, but now I know better. Things were really scarce back then in Poland. It was a very difficult survival for Poles, yet they seemed to go about it with dignity that I still remember to this day. I remember studying Polish history afterward and I just couldn't fathom what had happened. Here was one of the most glorious nations in Europe, Slavic of all things, with historically great relationship with western world, Germans notwithstanding. We did read Taras Bulba in elementary school as part of mandatory literary curriculum but that book hardly championed Polish point of view. It's really about Kozaks from river Don and their part in Russo-Polish wars back in the, what, 16-17th century.

So I bought numerous Polish knight figurines (God, I remeber falling in love with Polish Hussars perked on their horses with them wings attached on the back, you Poles know what I'm talking about). It still graces my childhood bedroom which I abandoned ages ago. Personally, I was never too excited by the whole Solidarność movement and Lech Wałęsa, but what did I know. Or care. I was hoping Poland would take it's righteous place in European scheme of things. I mean, there are almost 40 million Poles in Poland alone and about a quarter more living abroad. Of which I know a few and have the privilege of being called a friend.

I remember vividly the day we went on excursion (a day break from skiing) to Oświęcim. I've never heard of the name, but we've all been taught about German concentration camps as well as our own (there were concentration camps in Yugoslavia during Nazi occupation, unfortunately the worst were actually ran by a certain Croatian military formations, our own brothers in blood). We went through the town and marched into this field with gated area, somewhere in woods. I read "Arbeit macht frei" and it suddenly dawned on me. I've seen this gate many times in pictures and on TV. I knew Auschwitz is somewhere in south of Poland. They played us documentaries that Allied soldiers got their hands on after camp 'liberation'. Hideous German footage as well. A foreigner such as myself could never feel more Polish than that day. We understood that most victims were Jewish, but they were Polish first and foremost regardless of religion. It was Poland that kindly let them settle in vast numbers in their own country, they shared the same faith for centuries and Poles eventually suffered for it grievously, alongside Jews. No wonder Israel pays special tribute to Poles alone in Yad Vashem.

We visited Krakow and Warszaw on separate occasions. I preferred Krakow. Especially that old Market Square. I went to a monumental church but forgot it's name. It's sort of Krakow's legendary (dare I say Gothic style) cathedral. There were sarcophagi of ancient Polish knights and I used to sit there and reminisce about the glory of these people. I mean, having a sarcophagus/tomb in the midst of a glorious cathedral, that says something about persona. Granted, I wasn't overly religious person, I was more impressed with the deeds these noble knights performed the way I had perceived them (when you're nine or ten you think they salvaged a damsel in distress from the dragon, you really don't think it's an homage to a knight for, say, slaying Muslims...I always found religious wars 'not-so-kosher'; there's always an ulterior motive). Oddly, and I can't explain it to this day, I found Catholic churches speaking to me more than Orthodox. The way they are built and lit. Make no mistake, I am Orthodox Serb and will remain so for eternity. It does humble one's soul nevertheless. We Serbs like to think the Known World owes us, as it were. Or at least, the Western World. They (westerners) live in relative peace due to our suffering at the gates of Islamic enemy war machine. When you grow up you realize it's a 'great unknown'. Things are not always what they seem to be.

I think you will realize by now, Anna, that I feel akin to Polish people. Perhaps my Serbian brothers are unaware of Polish greatness, we're but a child nation waiting to be awaken after many, many centuries of sleep, as if having our finger pricked by a spindle like in that old story of 'Sleeping Beauty'. We have not fully awaken yet, and we're far from beautiful. I have a similar feeling about Polska and Polacy. You have only started to wake after centuries of oblivion.

As my adopted American brothers say: "Godspeed".


"Those who don't know, and they don't know that they do not know, they are stupid, stay away from them."
"Those who don't know, and they know that they do not know, they are children, teach them."
"Those who know, and they don't know that they know, they are asleep, awake them."
"Those who know, and they know that they know, they are wise, follow them."

~ ancient proverb
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Edited by: Prince   Dec 1, 08, 17:37 /  #
I am against Serbia in EU. They are going to support much different ideas than we support.
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  Dec 2, 08, 09:37 /  #
Prince:

I am against Serbia in EU.

thank you
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  Dec 2, 08, 15:24 /  #
We don't need Serbia in the EU, what we really need is Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia. China and India would be welcome as well.
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  Dec 2, 08, 15:25 /  #
lesser:

We don't need Serbia in the EU, what we really need is Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia. China and India would be welcome as well.


Russia?! :) I'm just asking...
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  Dec 2, 08, 15:28 /  #
From Russia we only want Tatarstan and Chechnya. The rest is too Russian and we don't like Russians! :)
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  Dec 2, 08, 15:36 /  #
lesser:

The rest is too Russian and we don't like Russians! :)


;( *taking offence and sobbing go to buy flowers for Lubimaja (read "Poland")*
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  Dec 2, 08, 15:48 /  #
Well, if Russia become "true democracy" (LOL) even us psheks could not stop you from joining. However something else could stop you, more such people like Sarkozy in the EU and we will have a communist regime quickly. Some criteria for candidate members might change.

PS: Everything above is true only if I rightfully think that democracy and communism are two different systems and not one and the same. :) I just expect some posters will claim soon that people's democracy is just different model of 'true democracy'. :)
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  Dec 2, 08, 15:50 /  #
Sarkozy is just a maker of toothless agreements and convener of fruitless meetings that line the pockets of worthless bureaucrats.
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  Dec 2, 08, 16:07 /  #
I don't think Sarkozy will survive the next french elections...Carla Bruni or not....he grates on peoples nerves!
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  Dec 2, 08, 16:08 /  #
lesser:

Well, if Russia become "true democracy" (LOL) even us psheks could not stop you from joining.


Righty... On the other hand if you (psheks doesn't sound good) had a "true democracy", you wouldn't prevent us from joining at least by methods that are currently used (all that of course if we hypothetically imagine Russia wants to join EU).
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Edited by: Prince   Dec 2, 08, 16:13 /  #
Sasha:

Righty... On the other hand if you (psheks doesn't sound good) had a "true democracy", you wouldn't prevent us from joining at least by methods that are currently used (all that of course if we hypothetically imagine Russia wants to join EU).


getQuotation('Sasha');


Talk to Bratwursts (germans) if they want Russians in EU :))))



France is memeber of military structures in NATO. Sarkozy has interesting competition with Merkel in EU (leadership) ... :)
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  Dec 2, 08, 16:31 /  #
Prince:

Talk to Bratwursts (germans) if they want Russians in EU :))))


Before Turkey anytime! :)
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Edited by: Prince   Dec 2, 08, 16:36 /  #
Bratwurst Boy:

Before Turkey anytime! :)


:)
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  Dec 2, 08, 16:39 /  #
Sasha, We are not democratic and we will hardly ever become, neither the EU. This is just a slogan to make people feel better. So if Russian establishment would really be so stupid and wanted to join, everything would depend from shady talks in Brussels.
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  Dec 2, 08, 17:09 /  #
lesser:

Sasha, We are not democratic and we will hardly ever become, neither the EU. This is just a slogan to make people feel better


I never get tired to hear sober points... especially the last sentence. Nice, lesser. Don't know why Prince can't comprehend that yet.
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Edited by: lesser   Dec 3, 08, 16:11 /  #
Prince:

France is memeber of military structures in NATO.


I missed this statement yesterday. Wrong, France withdrew from military structures in 1966.

Prince:

Sarkozy has interesting competition with Merkel in EU (leadership) ... :)


They are as much important like Bush in the US.

Sasha:

Don't know why Prince can't comprehend that yet.


What could we expect from PO voter? :))
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Edited by: Prince   Dec 3, 08, 16:18 /  #
lesser:

I missed this statement yesterday. Wrong, France withdrawn from military structures in 1966.


http://wyborcza.pl/1,76842,5086575.html

Do struktur wojskowych NATO wraca za to po 42 latach Francja.

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Edited by: lesser   Dec 3, 08, 16:41 /  #
If you read this article then you know that currently France is outside of military structure. Perhaps they will join soon but this is not the case yet.
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  Dec 4, 08, 15:02 /  #
Bratwurst Boy:

Before Turkey anytime! :)


Who cares !
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  Feb 4, 09, 08:33 /  #
Polish people are our slavic brothers. Most Serbs are proud of everything slavic they have within their culture. There are many Serbian books that emphasize the slavic culture and slavic origin of Serbs. Unfortunately though Serbs do often look a bit too much to Russia as slavic leaders even if this is often far from reality. From personal experience I know many Polish people & when we are together it's as though we have a telepathic slavic understanding. In general society I would say Serbs do not know too many specifics about Polish people. On one side we admire Polish for always sticking it to the Nemci, but on the other hand there may be some slight suspicion regarding Catholicism since Serbs are very proud of their Orthodox faith... Anyway, I randomly came across this sight & thought I'd post really just to send some respect to our Polish brothers & sisters and let you know that I think you are a great people & I only see Poland getting stronger.
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  Feb 4, 09, 09:02 /  #
SerbSlavSoul:
on the other hand there may be some slight suspicion regarding Catholicism since Serbs are very proud of their Orthodox faith

Maybe your suspicions towards catholics are based on the croatian genocide on serbs during the the 2nd world war. croatian forces were commanded by catolic priests and as the history says they killed over 600 000 serbs, mostly in a very brutal way.

SerbSlavSoul:
Unfortunately though Serbs do often look a bit too much to Russia as slavic leaders even if this is often far from reality

true

SerbSlavSoul:
Polish people are our slavic brothers.

Belive me Serbs also have polish respect and sympathy and we consider you as our beloved slavic brothers. And above all we belive in the same God. We worship Him in (not very) different ways but it doesnt really matter.
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  Feb 4, 09, 09:57 /  #
Great pleasure to witness moments of fraternity! :) No irony.
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  Feb 8, 09, 13:05 /  #
bartek:
I respect Serbs. Brave nation (i'm thinking about WWII). And polish-serbian relations were very intensiv in the past. Poles were in Kosove Pole. After that battle many serbian knights escaped to Poland. They created in XV century the heavy cavallry called... "husaria" :-) Yes, our winged hussars have exactely Serbian roots.
We all heard about "chetniks". Their statut of war "Pravila chetnickoj borby" (sorry if i wrote it wrong) is in fact the translated tract of Polish general Ludwik Mierosławski "O wojnie partyzanckiej" ("About partizan war") from 1863 ("January Uprising" agains Russia).

Try to look at the Turkish view. If they were so brave why did they fight also on Ottoman side for the Turks ? They forget this and just scream their hate for Turks. Hussars are a Hungarian thing!

Seven years after the battle of Kosovo, in 1396, in the battle of Nicopolis Stefan Lazarevič fought on ottoman side, serbs fought on ottoman side against the Tartars of Timur Lenk, serbs with Brankovič supported ottomans against Hunyadi, serb supported the ottomans of Sultan Mehmed II in the conquest of Constantinopole.
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  Feb 9, 09, 03:39 /  #
ZoltanTheSultan:
Try to look at the Turkish view. If they were so brave why did they fight also on Ottoman side for the Turks ? They forget this and just scream their hate for Turks. Hussars are a Hungarian thing!

Seven years after the battle of Kosovo, in 1396, in the battle of Nicopolis Stefan Lazarevič fought on ottoman side, serbs fought on ottoman side against the Tartars of Timur Lenk, serbs with Brankovič supported ottomans against Hunyadi, serb supported the ottomans of Sultan Mehmed II in the conquest of Constantinopole.

crow's mind gonna give an error here. he can't understand this one i'm absolutely sure haha
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Edited by: Crow   Mar 26, 09, 19:25 /  #
SUZA KOSOVA (TEAR OF KOSOVO)



Poljakinje i Poljaci! Poles, children of Slavija, my sisters and brothers, my tribe, help to Serbians, urge your governmant to annul Kosovo recognition. In the name of Christ our only Lord, i beg you. Do it for our mutual ancestors, do it for Zawisha Charny, for Warnencyk, for Sobieski, for Poland for that humiliated Slavic Poland. After all, do it for Racowie
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  Mar 26, 09, 19:53 /  #
Crow I want to ask you somethign (This is VERY important for the topic btw)

Hungary had it's golden age while having a Polish king at their throne
Polish knights tried to reach an important battle for the Hungarians in their history
Jozef Bem was a Polish General wich helped the Hungarians under an uprising against (Austria I think).

They also wanted to send cavalry divisions to help Poland against Soviet in 1920 but Czechoslovakia didn't let them through.
Hungary sold lots of ammunitions for Poland right before the miracle at Vistula (While they had troubles with Romania :=O)

In Warsaw uprising the Hungarian units wich were near Warsaw didn't want to help the Germans and even they gave some of their weapons to the AK units (Even changed sides , only some).

Later in 1951 or 1959 can't really remember, it was an student uprising in Poland and the Hungarians in Budapest went to the ambassy to support it. Some hours later the Budapest uprising started

Ive heard rumors of Hungarians having some ill feeling towards Serbs or other way around (Or even both) would that change your view of how you look at Poland?

an old saying: Polak Wegier, dwa bratanki do szabli i do szklanki!
Hope I don't have to translate it :)
I have some good feeling towards serbians but I kinda like the Hungarians a bit better. Man they started their fameous uprising because of Poles!!! :O
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Edited by: Crow   Mar 26, 09, 20:54 /  #
Mr Grunwald

i respect your oppinion and without wish to sound as poltron or pathetic, let me tell you...

Serbs are Serbs, Hungarians are Hungarians

While Poland can forget, betray and abandon Serbians many times, you must be very careful with Hungarians if wants to compete with Germany for prevailing influence in Hungary.

What i want to tell you.... on the heaven Poland can count on Christ and His beloved mother, on this earth Poland can count unconditionally only on Poles and Serbians. But, be adwised, while even God sometimes `forget His duty`, Racowie (Serbians) are guaranteed

No wonder that Zawisha Charny pride of Sarmatia died for Serbians. He knew that strenght of Poland coming from the strenght of Serbs, that freedom of Poles depend from freedom of Serbians.

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