What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

Back in 1914, the rallying cry in Vienna and Berlin had been "Serbien muss sterben!", "Serbia must die!" Serbia held the line for fifteen months, losing over the course of the war half of its men of fighting age, 18 to 55. The German and Bulgarian armies joined the attack and the Serbian front collapsed in 1915. Serbs in Serbia, Bosnia, and Kosovo were subjected to rather severe treatment at the hands of the Austrian occupiers. However, the Serb army had made a Dunkirk-type of escape and returned in 1918 with enough strength to block Italy from seizing Slovenia and Dalmatia. In Kosovo the returning Serb army behaved honorably this time, mostly.

Italy, foiled in its objective of controlling both sides of the Adriatic Sea, decided to re-start the Kosovo conflict by financing a rebellion. The gold was distributed by Gabriele D'Annunzio, Italian ruler of Fiume, to help start rebellions in Montenegro and Kosovo. Now Serb counter-insurgency forces behaved as brutally as the Austrians had. Negotiations between Serbia and Albania followed, and in 1924 the future King Zog of Albania had the rebel chiefs killed. The King of Yugoslavia proclaimed an amnesty, and until the next spate of malevolent foreign interest in Kosovo, peace reigned under a royal regime or parliamentary coalition governments which included the Moslems of Bosnia.

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,049 Joined: May 26, 08	Mar 27, 09, 03:18 / #
McCoy: Belive me Serbs also have polish respect and sympathy and we consider you as our beloved slavic brothers. And above all we belive in the same God. We worship Him in (not very) different ways but it doesnt really matter. Well said McCoy.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Edited by: Mr Grunwald Mar 27, 09, 15:42 / #
Crow: i respect your oppinion and without wish to sound as poltron or pathetic, let me tell you... Thank you I like reading your opinion :) Crow: What i want to tell you.... on the heaven Poland can count on Christ and His beloved mother, on this earth Poland can count unconditionally only on Poles and Serbians Yes that may be true, tho Poles worst enemy is an Pole. I have some good feeling towards Croats since their mostly catholic, but after hearing your stories about the behavior of popes towards Serbian catholics (Didn't know they excisted in such large numbers) I start to think of Serbians in a bit worse situation :( Tho Croats had their ustashe (wich I despite) ive got conact with some Croats and all of em don't have positive opinions of Ustashe that's what I call wierd. Didn't actualy the Serbians make some kinda revolt when they heard in WW2 that their king made an pact with Hitler or something? That is VERY good for relations ;)

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Edited by: Nathan Mar 27, 09, 15:53 / #
Mr Grunwald: I have some good feeling towards Croats since their mostly catholic Hm... interesting. I also love my wife because she dresses good.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Mar 27, 09, 21:23 / #
Mr Grunwald: I have some good feeling towards Croats since their mostly catholic listen, here in the region Croats and Bulgarians are famous for their services to Germany. From time to time Serbians deal with their schemes and beat them... and, you know... Croats are fully Catholics and Bulgarians are fully Orthodox. On the other side, Croats and Bulgarians from time to time kick Serbians when Germany react on behalf of her satelites and servants You see, its not about Catholicism/Orthodoxy. Serbians are just. Serbs f* all of them who deserve to be fu. Serbians- Gate Keepers of Slavija, from the beggining of time.... securing Slavic Balkan and balance of Polish/Russian interests on Balkan. Only hostile non-Slavs aren`t satisfy with that fact.... and they coming and atacking and Serbians pushing them back... germanized Slavs (Croatians) and non-Slavs (Albanians) of the region are very satisfy with German role in destruction of Yugoslavia and weakening of Serbia... Croatian Danke Deutschland - Thanks Germany (1991) Albanian Danke Deutschland Serbien muss sterbien - Wahrheit und Lüge im jugoslawischen Bürgerkrieg Published in 1994, Edition Tiamat (Berlin) http://openlibrary.org/b/OL863288M/Serbien-muss-sterbien http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/olid/OL863288M-M.jpg?default=false TO SERBIA VIA POLAND A travelogue by Piotr Bein antic.org/YU4NSP/Piotr/index.html antic.org/YU4NSP/Piotr/To%20Serbia%20via%20Poland.zip `Germans used to say Serben muß sterben, Serbs must die.` http://www.kosovoforum.net/continued.htm Back in 1914, the rallying cry in Vienna and Berlin had been "Serbien muss sterben!", "Serbia must die!" Serbia held the line for fifteen months, losing over the course of the war half of its men of fighting age, 18 to 55. The German and Bulgarian armies joined the attack and the Serbian front collapsed in 1915. Serbs in Serbia, Bosnia, and Kosovo were subjected to rather severe treatment at the hands of the Austrian occupiers. However, the Serb army had made a Dunkirk-type of escape and returned in 1918 with enough strength to block Italy from seizing Slovenia and Dalmatia. In Kosovo the returning Serb army behaved honorably this time, mostly. Italy, foiled in its objective of controlling both sides of the Adriatic Sea, decided to re-start the Kosovo conflict by financing a rebellion**. The gold was distributed by Gabriele D'Annunzio, Italian ruler of Fiume, to help start rebellions in Montenegro and Kosovo. Now Serb counter-insurgency forces behaved as brutally as the Austrians had. Negotiations between Serbia and Albania followed, and in 1924 the future King Zog of Albania had the rebel chiefs killed. The King of Yugoslavia proclaimed an amnesty, and until the next spate of malevolent foreign interest in Kosovo, peace reigned under a royal regime or parliamentary coalition governments which included the Moslems of Bosnia. Serbians, many times alone agaist numerous foes

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Mar 28, 09, 09:53 / #
what i want to tell you, what is obvious... Poland is member of NATO only by mistake and only temporarely Poland to buy time, to recupirate on all fields and to form Slavic Alliance with Serbia, Ukraine, Byelorussia, Czeska, Slovakia and Russia... etc... so that Slavs offer coordinate answer to new/old `drang nach osten`. Warsaw to become capitol town of free, democratic and consolidate Slavic Confederation

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Mar 28, 09, 12:17 / #
Hmm, that's very interessting Crow I still have some negative attitude with Russia joining in, because of it's condition. Tho if it will get real democracy there then I would have nothing against it. Now I see Serbians as a most admireable nation on the balkans :) There is bad/neutral/good people everywhere but in some places it's a huge lack of em. I look at Serbia positively :D

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Mar 29, 09, 00:11 / #
Mr Grunwald: I still have some negative attitude with Russia joining in, because of it's condition. Russia would continue to positively evolve or it is end, very end... of Russia and of complete Slavic world No, don`t think that i want to tell that other Slavs aren`t worth without Russia or that Russia is `everything`,... no i don`t telling that... simple, if Russia fail this time, enormous Russian resources would fall in the hands of hostile non-Slavs what would strenghten them dramaticaly and destroy balance of power between Slavs and their foes for good. So, Russia shell continue to change, democratize and progress, this time on the behalf of all Slavs. After all, all Slavs defended those Russian resources, not only Russians. All Slavic resources belong to all Slavic children. Slavija! Slavija! Slavija! Unconditionally!

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Mar 31, 09, 22:01 / #
BATMAN and friends support Serbia over Kosovo issue... Hollywood support for Serbia Robert De Niro - Maybe I am a Serb Michael Savage - Kosovo, radical Islam (Kosovo Liberation Army)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07	Mar 31, 09, 22:11 / #
Crow: BATMAN and friends support Serbia Support from Batman is always essential.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Mar 31, 09, 22:14 / #
southern: Support from Batman is always essential. from BatGirl, too

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Mar 31, 09, 22:19 / #
southern: southern Southern, do you know of any Greek volunteers who went to Kosovo to fight along Serb brothers? I have a 2nd cousin, who rumour has it, went for a 'sight seeing' trip to Kosovo in early 90's. I think its a rumour, nothing else..

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Mar 31, 09, 22:32 / #
southern: Now the government is ''searching'' for them. Yes yes, I know. Searching, but conveniently taking their time ;) But do you personally know any is what I'm asking. I've only heard names, and seen a few faces in the media. Not much else.

ZoltanTheSultanThreads: - Posts: 22 Joined: Feb 7, 09	Apr 1, 09, 20:53 / #
Mr Grunwald: Hungary had it's golden age while having a Polish king at their throne Polish knights tried to reach an important battle for the Hungarians in their history Jozef Bem was a Polish General wich helped the Hungarians under an uprising against (Austria I think). I wonder to which Polish king do you refer? The truth is that the Hungarian's Polish kings were rather weak, powerless or with short life. Not this fact is important, but the Hungarian - Polish relations. If you refer to Louis the Great from the house of Anjou (Ludwik Węgierski) he was not Polish as he was the son of the Hungarian King Carl Robert. He was the King of Hungary and later by personal union he became the King of Poland. His daughters Jadwiga, Mária, Hedvig played an important role in Polish history. One of the most importan King of Poland was another Hungarian: Báthory István Polish Kings: I. Ulászló (Vladislaus III of Varna) from Jagello house ,Hedvig's son, died in the battle of Varna in 1444. II. Ulászló was at the mercy of oligarch their puppet, II Lajos (Louis II) died in the battle of Mohács. Is worth to mention that all the kings of Hungary (with the exception of King Matthias Corvinus) were matrilineal descendants of the Árpáds.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 1, 09, 21:22 / #
Albania and Croatia just became new members of NATO! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/01/nato-albania-croatia-join_n_1 81761.html BRUSSELS, Belgium — Albania and Croatia became NATO's newest members Wednesday in a historic expansion into the volatile western Balkans region where the alliance fought its first war a decade ago. The two Balkan nations will be ceremonially inducted into NATO during a summit in Strasbourg, France, and Kehl, Germany, on Friday and Saturday to mark the alliance's 60th anniversary. The two new states will take total members nations to 28. "This is very welcome news" NATO spokesman James Appathurai said. "Albania and Croatia have worked very hard to meet alliance standards with regard to democracy, and the reform of their militaries." Poles and Albos are now brothers in arms...who would have thought it... (But then, Germans and Poles are too!) :)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Mar 31, 09, 22:16 / #
Everyone knows that Serbs were right but they wanted to give sth to the mujas.After all they have been killing them for decades. One solution is to give russian visas to the Serbs of Kosovo.Then Albos will stay about 5 km away from each one of them.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07	Mar 31, 09, 22:21 / #
Filios1: outhern, do you know of any Greek volunteers who went to Kosovo to fight along Serb brothers? They are known persons.They were transfered by Arkhan's forces to the battlefield.Now the government is ''searching'' for them.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Mar 31, 09, 22:30 / #
southern: One solution is to give russian visas to the Serbs of Kosovo.Then Albos will stay about 5 km away from each one of them. you probably wanted to say `Russian passports`? I`m all for it. I myself want one

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,895 Joined: May 17, 07	Mar 31, 09, 22:55 / #
Crow: you probably wanted to say `Russian passports`? Yes,russian passports.If any shriptar annoys a beholder of russian passport,he will see Kosovo upside down.

CenowskiThreads: - Posts: 122 Joined: Mar 30, 09	Mar 31, 09, 23:11 / #
southern: They are known persons.They were transfered by Arkhan's forces to the battlefield.Now the government is ''searching'' for them. The greek volunteers Arkan reciefed were also availible in the the Srebenica area, i also had it from greeks who knew and said when one town was taken the placed a Serbian and greek flag on the town hall tower together..... im only not sure how many vlunteers there was..... As for Serbo-Polska relations go they are good and bad, good as i know many half Serb half Polish people and also groups of just Serb and Polish who get on in general..... also two nationalists groups even link to the sites of each other and were responcible for Kosowo jest Serbskie rallies in Polska..... but unfortunatly some damage was done by shit governments support for western corrupt places who just want to see Serbs fail.....and also some nieve people think just because croats are catholic they must be right, but to be honest i know they are thebiggest german loving, nazi enthusiasts going, even today they ustashi regime is used as nationalists logos.....they were the same uniform that wanted to destry all slavs and Poles include obviously, i wish people would be educated to know and remember this

ZoltanTheSultanThreads: - Posts: 22 Joined: Feb 7, 09	Apr 1, 09, 21:44 / #
Crow: BATMAN and friends support Serbia over Kosovo issue... Hollywood support for Serbia I support the freedom of Kosovo! And what about Serbian crimes? Croats, Bosniacs and even Hungarians can tell alot! Strange way of implementing slavic brotherhood toward Croats and Bosniacs. Poland should be thankfull that there is no border with Serbia. One thing Serbs never want to know: their own crimes! Can you explain Crow why do Serbs love one kind of war: the targeting of inocent civilians by rape, mass murder, looting, expulsation etc.? Watch the full film of Eduardo Rozsa Flores in Chico on Yugoslavian war at google video. The following is a trailer: In the past Serbs were so brave that they did fight on Ottoman side for the Turks. They forget this and now they just scream their hate for Turks. Just for facts: seven years after the battle of Kosovo, in 1396, in the battle of Nicopolis Stefan Lazarevič fought on ottoman side, serbs fought on ottoman side against the Tartars of Timur Lenk, serbs with Brankovič supported ottomans against Hunyadi, serbs supported the ottomans of Sultan Mehmed II in the conquest of Constantinopole.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Apr 1, 09, 23:27 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Albania and Croatia just became new members of NATO! when you mentioned NATO just becomes a little bit uglier then it was already ugly Club of Poland`s `friends` obviously expand. With such a friends Poland even don`t need an enemies. what i wonder.... anyone from Polish politics ask Poles what they think of being in NATO alliance? what is especialy ironic... after NATO, after all that ugliness, even Russia would look as suitable alay partner for Poland ZoltanTheSultan: I support the freedom of Kosovo! o, Kosovo would be free, don`t you worry. Kosovo would be Slavic and Serbian again, that`s for sure. Destine of Kosovo isn`t to stay poluted with mujaheedine scum ZoltanTheSultan: And what about Serbian crimes? you mean, especialy of those invented in propaganda factories of CNN, BBC, AL JAZEERA and DEUTSCHE WELLE?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Apr 1, 09, 23:33 / #
Crow: anyone from Polish politics ask Poles what they think of being in NATO alliance? http://www.expatica.com/es/news/news_focus/Ten-years-since-NATO-expans ion_-Poland-sees-alliance-as-bulwark_50472.html Ten years since NATO expansion, Poland sees alliance as bulwark

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,190 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Apr 1, 09, 23:36 / #
it is what speaks Polish politics. Its not people

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 1, 09, 23:41 / #
Crow: it is what speaks Polish politics. Its not people Well...even here on this board you never found many Poles who joined you in your slavic dream if that would mean a union with Russia so we can safely assume that this is a widespread opinion, that the NATO is seen by the majority as a good thing, a necessary thing. You know Crowie, isn't that your dilemma anyhow? No SLAVIJA without Russia...but so many Slavs (not only Poles) don't want to be minions of an undemocratic Russia again...so no SLAVIJA! And instead "liberating" Slavs world wide (if they want to be liberated by you or not) you can't even do a fucking thing for your own brethren in your own neighbourhood...dream on Crowie... http://www.poland.pl/news/article,No_top_NATO_post_for_a_Pole,id,37149 9.htm No top NATO post for a Pole? Poland's foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski is being considered as a candidate for the post of NATO Secretary-General and his chances are not lost - said Mariusz Handzlik from the Presidential Chancellery commenting on the reports that Danish PM Anders Fogh Rasmussen is the most certain candidate for the job. Reuters, citing American diplomatic sources, reported earlier that the United States already endorsed the Danish politician.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Apr 1, 09, 23:52 / #
Bratwurst Boy: foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski is being considered as a candidate for the post of NATO Secretary-General That candidacy is a joke. Anyone can run for NATO secretary-general. Even I could if I wanted. Why would they vote in Sikorski when he's making such a mess of things in his own house, Poland? He can't even get along with his own President.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 1, 09, 23:58 / #
Filios1: He can't even get along with his own President. Well...I wouldn't hold THAT against him! :) Your pres IS abit...ummm....difficult... I don't know much about Sikorski but an intense interview once in the BBC (Hard talk)...I liked him. But on the other side it shows the commitment of Poland to NATO and all what comes with it and that Poland is an equal partner, not some minion....Crow should accept the reality as it is!

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Edited by: Filios1 Apr 2, 09, 00:02 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Your pres IS abit...ummm....difficult... lol, its true, but he is our President after all, and some respect would be nice here and there. Too much bickering in Polish politics. When will it ever end... Bratwurst Boy: BBC (Hard talk)... I've seen that one too. Mostly about Russia wasn't it?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Apr 2, 09, 00:03 / #
Filios1: I've seen that one too. Mostly about Russia wasn't it? Yes...but EU too...and NATO....to short! :(

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 2, 09, 00:03 / #
Also, Sikorski has broader experience. He lived in the States for some time and speaks English really well. I like the guy.

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Apr 2, 09, 00:05 / #
He's definitely capable, but I have my doubts about him.