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SeanusThreads: 22
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Well, if certain factions had kept their noses out then maybe the Serbs wouldn't have been riled. Torny, we are both Brits and we know very well how we don't like, as a nation, foreigners getting ahead of themselves and impinging. The Serbs are the same. Try and see it once their way.
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Seanus:
Well, if certain factions had kept their noses out then maybe the Serbs wouldn't have been riled.

ow right, so next time the Serbs decide to commit mass genocide and ethnic clense we should just turn our backs on it?? Really, is that your answer, let them do what they want???

I don't think any Brits went in shooting, did they?? NO becuase they were there as a peace keeping force, as far as i'm concerned as soon as the first soldier was killed we should of hit those fcukers with everything we had. Give the Serb army something to think about while their raping women and children at night and then burning the evidence.

I know what your trying to say Seanus but i'm not having it, not at all, sorry i just can't look at it as objectively as you can. Not when members of my family have memories they will/cannot ever forget, let alone all those civies.

Seanus:
Torny, we are both Brits and we know very well how we don't like, as a nation, foreigners getting ahead of themselves and impinging. The Serbs are the same. Try and see it once their way.

Listen mate if the British army start killing, raping, burning allive, looting, enslaving the Scots or the Welsh then come back to me on that one, until then..............

P.S.

no offense Seanus but its not really you i want this chat with, its that coward Crow, he always seems to go missing when faced with akward questions or opinions that counter what shite he talks.
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tornado2007:
Listen mate if the British army start killing, raping, burning allive, looting, enslaving the Scots

Well actually............
SeanusThreads: 22
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You know my take on that, Torny. I don't defend wrongdoing. It's rather ironic that we were hit when the Brits did little for the peace process and much for stirring things up.

There are Scots and Welshmen in the British Army so I don't see any enslaving going on, unless we enslave ourselves ;0 ;)

The point is, you ruffle their feathers in the Balkans and they'll react. Just don't believe all the media accounts you read.

That's ok, Torny. I know the history of the region fairly well :)
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Seanus:
You know my take on that, Torny. I don't defend wrongdoing. It's rather ironic that we were hit when the Brits did little for the peace process and much for stirring things up.

Well the stiring up didn't happen on the ground, well as far as i know and have been informed, if the politicians want to play willy waving games with the Serbs then so be it.

Seanus:
There are Scots and Welshmen in the British Army so I don't see any enslaving going on, unless we enslave ourselves ;0 ;)

i think you know what i was driving at :)

Seanus:
The point is, you ruffle their feathers in the Balkans and they'll react.

i think a lot of shite had already hit alot of fans before we went anywhere near the Balkans, that is for sure, if they want to blame us or any other outside influence then let them, theya re searching for scape goats.

Seanus:
Just don't believe all the media accounts you read

I haven't actually read that many, most of the stuff i hear about what went on was from people who were actually there, granted they are all British but at least they were on the ground. They heard and had to stand and watch some of the worst abuse of humans your ever likely to see, they've been involved in near scrapes (life threatening) and encounters with Serbian forces who were supposed to be 'giving them right of passage'

I cannot name anybody involved for obvious reasons, Somebody i know still has his blue helmet with UN written on it in white letters with a dent in it where a deflected bullet hit it. Anothe guy still has and always will have a dodgy knee because of Serb soldiers dressed like Partizans attacked a UN roadblock, i also have a family member who witnessed alot of the clensing. So sorry if i'm a little one sided now and again, its just one of the reasons i hate to hear 'your taking in all the media propaganda'

szkotja2007:
Well actually............

now hang on a second :) were talking about the Serbs in the past 15 years, not the English god knows how long ago :) The world was a much much different place when what your talking about occured. I mean the best tactics were to line up in a field and run at each other with axes, swords and shields :):)
SeanusThreads: 22
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Provoke and expect a reaction. The Serbs saw any foreign forces as invaders.

Yes, I did ;) Still, don't forget David Stirling and his SAS boys. A Scottish conception :)

Oh, the Germans were just as bad there, Torny. At least we had Lord Carrington attempting to mediate.

There will always be idiots who attack UN positions but the UN can be seen in different ways. It made a hash of Sarajevo in July 1995.
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Seanus:
Provoke and expect a reaction. The Serbs saw any foreign forces as invaders.

You know i'm not to worried about the Serbs killing pilots of NATO bombers who were there to bomb their country, that is military vs military, all is fair in love and war. When there is an 'actual' conflict and there are soldiers involved, whether they be pilots, frogmen, soldiers etc etc then its fair enough to kill one another in conflict.

However what i will not accept is the shooting of peace keeping forces, some sort of order was needed and the UN was the only real answer to what was happening, even if they could not do anything about what was going on, it could be reported back to the higher levels where decisions could/should of been made.

Do you see my point Seanus??

Seanus:
Yes, I did ;) Still, don't forget David Stirling and his SAS boys. A Scottish conception :)

Kind of fits really dosen't it, a lot of the SAS are Scottish :)

Seanus:
There will always be idiots who attack UN positions but the UN can be seen in different ways.

idiorts wearing Serbian unifoms from the Serbian army, or idiots disguising themselves so they can get close enough to have a pop with whatever weapon they fancy. the UN is what it is, THE UN, as i and you both know the people on the ground were there as a peace keeping force and that is that.

Seanus:
It made a hash of Sarajevo in July 1995.

The Serbs are lucky that the UN soldiers had orders not to interfere, let alone making a hash of something, just imagine what it was like for them there (things they had seen, having to hold back because of orders, being attacked by people they were supposed to be negotiating with)

I also don't understand where people get the idea i hate all Serbs, that is clearly not true, I just don't like the Serbs (for example Crow) who big up war criminals/mass murders etc like Mladic and Milosevic. I also do not like those Serbs who were at that time in the Army (for obvious reasons) This does not however mean i dislike all Serbs, in fact my one and only Serbian friend in England (not out of design) always talks to me about these times (his father in the Serb army, mine in the UN forces and later in....) I even speak to somebody on PF who's father was also a Serb Soldier in those times, therefore surely i cannot be branded a Serb hater.

While i agreed with bombing Serbia (Belgrade etc) i did not like the idea of blanket bombing, civilian casualties are part of war but it is unacceptable to blanket bomb in the hope you hit a few military targets. They should have been procision bombings on military targets not what i've described above.

So crow stick that one in your pipe :)
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I see your point. It was a mess and the UN allowed the Serbs to commit genocide against innocent Bośniaks. How dare they celebrate for being incompetent tossers!!?

The SAS were Thatcher's boys, they could always be relied on.

I see where you are coming from, Torny.
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Seanus:
It was a mess and the UN allowed the Serbs to commit genocide against innocent Bośniaks.

Again that is people at the head of the table making decisions that people on the ground were better placed to judge on what should have happened. Is it the fault of the soldiers on the ground that they could not do anything??

Seanus:
How dare they celebrate for being incompetent tossers!!?

As i said above its not the soldiers fault they have their hands and feet tied while their balls are dangled over a fire. As for celebrating, yes that is out of order, although what are soldiers meant to do to release a bit of steam??

Seanus:
The SAS were Thatcher's boys, they could always be relied on

Yes they were but again when they were in a position to do something about some of these Serb pigs, they were told 'NO' rather than given the all clear, thats a lack of balls on the part of the politcians once again 'surprise surprise'

Seanus:
I see where you are coming from, Torny

thanks, atleast somebody does, i don't mind been called something, as long as its true though. Being a 'Serb hater' is not true, hence my rant :)
SeanusThreads: 22
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Not the soldiers, no. UN top brass screwed up big time there.

They were overly passive but they needed better orders and bigger numbers.

Maybe there was still the memory of the Gibraltar case fresh in their minds? They were castigated for that.

Nah, they are far from innocent. I just see a different start to the struggle.
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Seanus:
Not the soldiers, no. UN top brass screwed up big time there.

They were overly passive but they needed better orders and bigger numbers.

i agree with both parts

Seanus:
Maybe there was still the memory of the Gibraltar case fresh in their minds? They were castigated for that.

sometimes your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

Seanus:
Nah, they are far from innocent. I just see a different start to the struggle.

i get that part Seanus but as i said before, i have no sympathy for the Serbs after their response, pot calling the kettle black or what!!!
SeanusThreads: 22
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Exactly, I don't agree with the 'shoot to kill' principle but the reality on the ground is different. The IRA were skilled guys and they had to shoot or be shot.

Fair enough, I try to be objective but my tune would likely change if Serbs shot at my family or friends. I just see their position.
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Seanus:
Fair enough, I try to be objective but my tune would likely change if Serbs shot at my family or friends. I just see their position

i do see some of the Serbs positions, the civlians that were caught up underneath the NATO bombs, they are the Serbs i feel sorry for, they suffered because of the stupidity of their leaders and military.

Seanus:
Exactly, I don't agree with the 'shoot to kill' principle but the reality on the ground is different. The IRA were skilled guys and they had to shoot or be shot.

i think when there is a big military presence then there is not need for a 'shoot to kill' policy, however when you have restricted numbers (SAS) you should let the guys get on with their jobs, if that means killing people then so be it.
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tornado2007:
european forces

Pardon? EU is EU, its not Europe

only European forces in that conflict were Serbian fighters. Let us don`t forget that
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Crow:
then, i must seek deeper.

Exactly.You have to go to the deep province because in big cities there is europolice.
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southern:
because in big cities there is europolice.

sad. Occupation becomes natural situation for Slavs

if you prosper, western parts of Europe (geographical west) impose isolation on you. If you resist they impose media histeria, economic santions and destruction on you. If you obey and accept slavery and assimilation as something natural, they reward you with little amonut of money.
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I don't see Poland being part of that process, Crow. They don't have the malicious nature of some Frenchmen and Germans (politicians I mean). Still, Tusk has his little cabinet of leeches just waiting to be indoctrinated :(
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If you obey and accept slavery and assimilation as something natural, they reward you with little amonut of money.


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It depends what you represent for them.For example what has Serbia that can be of value for them?Poland has its workforce,the polish women for breeding and the natural resources.It gains a reward and a position according to their relative value in EU market.
Serbia?It has the chetniks.
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30sandrita1 (1 tydzień temu) Al Slavs are like that:) I know! I'm Serbian!:) Maybe we even more than them

This was in response to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCLcubGgSmk&feature=PlayList&p=E32E4704 7B0437BD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28,

Was it your wife, Crow? ;) ;)
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