The Pope Bows Down: Polish Opinion?

ShelleyS:

The bastard should stay excommunicated! The pope did the right thing by apologising, I expect this kind of hate talk from some Imam not for a Catholic priest, quite frankly I was ashamed to be Catholic after I heard about the story!

Celinski:

To my Pope, I say stand back up and let freedom of speech be the lesson. No one is hurt by the Bishops "position".

lesser:

Recently, I spend much of my free time exploring Judaism and its relations with Christianity. These are in fact two very different religions and some similarities don't change this fact. Same fact that Judaism insist that God is exclusively Jewish speak for itself. Christianity is a universal religion. Let me add that Judaism reject eschatology which is very important in Christianity. Judaism concentrate exclusively on life in the earth, this is very materialistic. Rejection of Christ, rejection of Trinity, completely different concept of Messiah.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Edited by: joepilsudski Feb 6, 09, 05:47 / #
Pope Bows to Holocaust Pressures Pope Bowing at Oswiecem/Aushwitz The BBC said it is almost unheard of for a pope to admit publicly that he has made a mistake. ROME — Pope Benedict XVI bowed on Wednesday, February 4, to Jewish criticism, asserting that bishop Richard Williamson must "unequivocally and publicly" recant his denial of the Holocaust. "Bishop Williamson, in order to be admitted to the Episcopal functions of the Church, must in an absolutely unequivocal and public way distance himself from his positions regarding the Shoah [Holocaust]," the Vatican said in a statement cited by Agence France-Presse (AFP). It stressed that Williamson's positions on the Holocaust were "absolutely unacceptable and firmly rejected by the Holy Father." Williamson, 67, denies that the German Nazis used gas chambers to eliminate millions of Jews during World War II. He says only 200,000-300,000 Jews were killed in concentration camps. Sourced from BBC, Der Spiegel, IslamOnline and others...

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Feb 6, 09, 06:06 / #
Does that mean the Pope isn't CEO of Catholic Church anymore and will start receiving orders from Tel-Aviv?

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,212 Joined: Jan 4, 07	Feb 6, 09, 06:08 / #
I lol'd

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Edited by: joepilsudski Feb 6, 09, 06:12 / #
Easy_Terran: Does that mean the Pope isn't CEO of Catholic Church anymore and will start receiving orders from Tel-Aviv? Actually, from viewing these events, it would seem that the Pope gets orders from the EU directly...The EU gets it's orders from the Rothschilds...The point is: Why does the Catholic Church have to apologize to anyone over how it handles an internal matter?

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Feb 6, 09, 06:42 / #
I applaud the Pope. It is a step in the right direction. Jews and Christians are becoming closer and closer and this is a positive step.

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Feb 6, 09, 06:45 / #
HatefulBunch397: Jews and Christians are becoming closer Say what?

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Feb 6, 09, 06:48 / #
Easy_Terran: Say what? I am so tired of bigotry. When I was a kid I went to Sunday school and church every Sunday, sometimes twice, morning and evening and on Wednesday nights and we heard about all of it...old and new testaments. Christianity is pretty much based on judiasm but with a Jesus twist to it...

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Feb 6, 09, 06:57 / #
HatefulBunch397: I am so tired of bigotry ? HatefulBunch397: Jews and Christians are becoming closer To me it looks the Jewry make more and more demands, that are humbly met by CC. Dialog doesn't exist. If so, it's a monologue. How do you see those two religions and their people becoming closer?

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Feb 6, 09, 07:03 / #
Easy_Terran: How do you see those two religions and their people becoming closer? Because it needs to go in that direction for the betterment of mankind, okay? Why create such division?

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Feb 6, 09, 07:17 / #
HatefulBunch397: it needs to go in that direction Should I start wearing Star of David now, or can it wait few more weeks?

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Feb 6, 09, 07:24 / #
Ok, so let's see what plan B could look like, then: the Jewry will demand more concessions from our side, we will follow. Then more concessions will be demanded - we will follow. Next step I will be arrested for making a cross sign (I am a catholic) and crosses in a church will be swapped with menoras. That's what I think. That's how backward I am.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Feb 6, 09, 07:37 / #
joepilsudski: The two cannot become closer because Judaism denies Jesus Christ... They can become closer because of the old testament. While I was growing up I heard about the parting of the red sea during passover every year and I was raised by a protestant mother. My father is catholic. My father's family - all catholic. My mother insisted I go to protestant churches that preached from the old testament on a regular basis, so I got a lesson in that. I heard the story of the passover in church every year. So, judiasm and christianity can be close to each other. It is not true that jews killed jesus. It was the Romans that did it. The Romans did it because they were afraid that Jesus and his followers would destablize Judea and cause all kinds of problems for Rome. He was a troublemaker in their eyes and since he wasn't a Roman citizen, the Romans had him crucified. You can read in The Twelve Caesars, Jesus' followers caused all kinds of problems in Rome right after his death, protesting his death, in ROME, not in Judea. In the Twelve Caesars, Jesus's followers were called "Jews who were followers of Chrestus"

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Feb 6, 09, 07:43 / #
HatefulBunch397: It is not true that jews killed jesus Blaming anybody for His death is pointless - He was SUPPOSED to die, to save us, Christians. Jews see Him as a bastard and are calling His Mother a whore. I won't accept that.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Edited by: HatefulBunch397 Feb 6, 09, 07:51 / #
Easy_Terran: Jews see Him as a bastard and are calling His Mother a whore. I won't accept that. They sure don't say that in the US, not that I've heard. I just heard on the news today, Obama was talking about jewish/christian, putting the two together and there's a bill or something to keep religious charities from discriminating over here, so they are required by law, to help all of society no matter what religion.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Feb 6, 09, 07:18 / #
Easy_Terran: Should I start wearing Star of David now, or can it wait few more weeks? Please do not be so backward.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Feb 6, 09, 07:23 / #
Easy_Terran: How do you see those two religions and their people becoming closer? The two cannot become closer because Judaism denies Jesus Christ...But let me say this: There is no reason that Jews and Christian cannot co-exist, from the Christian point of view...Same with Muslims...It is not the Christians who have promulgated the idea of a 'Clash of Civilization' AKA 'War on Terror'...This is a creation of 'Illuminati' Jews and their Zionist pit-bull pets...And it is assisted by Mammon worshipping Western counterparts.

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Feb 6, 09, 07:56 / #
That'd be nice.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Feb 6, 09, 10:10 / #
The bastard should stay excommunicated! The pope did the right thing by apologising, I expect this kind of hate talk from some Imam not for a Catholic priest, quite frankly I was ashamed to be Catholic after I heard about the story!

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Feb 6, 09, 11:08 / #
joepilsudski: The EU gets it's orders from the Rothschilds Utter rubbish. Perhaps you can supply a reliable source? As for 'Bishop' Williamson, his views are very far from that of most catholics. If he wants to spout crank theories, that's his choice - but let him take the Bishop's hat off first.

davidpeakeThreads: 18 Posts: 515 Joined: Nov 7, 06	Feb 6, 09, 11:38 / #
ShelleyS: The bastard should stay excommunicated! The pope did the right thing by apologising, I expect this kind of hate talk from some Imam not for a Catholic priest, quite frankly I was ashamed to be Catholic after I heard about the story! very much agree Shelley, he should be kicked out again.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Feb 6, 09, 17:23 / #
joepilsudski: The Pope Bows Down: Opinion of the Pope was known before those few arrogant Jewish radicals raised these insane insinuations. Apparently 'Holocaust Industry' is desperate when they see that the Jews are not widely considered to be 'victims of humanity'. joepilsudski: Actually, from viewing these events, it would seem that the Pope gets orders from the EU directly... Nonsense, don't you see that the left hate the fact that Fraternity of Saint Pius X is gaining the ground in the church. The case with Williamson is just a provocation aimed to prevent his decision. However he stand the pressure. HatefulBunch397: Christianity is pretty much based on judiasm but with a Jesus twist to it... Complete nonsense, these are two very different religions. HatefulBunch397: They can become closer because of the old testament. Catholic read Old Testament from the perspective of New Testament. Judaism in practice replaced Old Testament by Talmudic rules that completely flawed teachings of Old Testament (which are not widely accepted by the CC, by the way)from Christian perspective. HatefulBunch397: It is not true that jews killed jesus. It was the Romans that did it. The Romans did it because they were afraid that Jesus and his followers would destablize Judea and cause all kinds of problems for Rome. He was a troublemaker in their eyes and since he wasn't a Roman citizen, the Romans had him crucified. Why those early Christians whom were mostly ethnic Jews themselves had different opinion? ShelleyS: The bastard should stay excommunicated! He was not excommunicated because of his historic views. Why some many atheists want to dictate to the CC who should be excommunicated? Ridiculous! ShelleyS: The pope did the right thing by apologising, The Pope did not apologize anybody, this is media spin. ShelleyS: I was ashamed to be Catholic after I heard about the story! That is interesting, I remember how you wrote in the past that the Poles should forget about the church. (or something similar)

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Feb 6, 09, 17:33 / #
religion is stupid, period.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08	Edited by: Trevek Feb 6, 09, 17:34 / #
It doesn't bother me from a religious point of view (being neither Christian or Jewish, or Muslim) but in this case I feel the Pope was a little misguided in his original actions. From his recent actions concerning Islam (public conversion of a noted anti-Islamic critic etc) I think he needs some new advisors. However, why should the CC have to answer to other faiths anyway? Many Jewish organisations insist on the removal of anything they consider offensive, including the symbols of other religions (like the cross) in Jewish sites and yet they speak about a need for tolerance which they don't seem to show.

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Edited by: Easy_Terran Feb 6, 09, 19:07 / #
Trevek: and yet they speak about a need for tolerance which they don't seem to show Well said. Davey: religion is stupid, period. Religion is not stupid. Religious extremists are stupid. Period.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Feb 6, 09, 19:24 / #
Lesser, Hateful Bunch was not wrong when she said that Judaism and Christianity are very similar. If you care to watch eminent speakers who know what they are talking about, you will see that correlations can be established between religions and this very much applies to the case of the above 2.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 6, 09, 20:14 / #
joepilsudski: It stressed that Williamson's positions on the Holocaust were "absolutely unacceptable and firmly rejected by the Holy Father." I find this very sad. Williamson has a "God given right" to form a "position" and to verbally speak. Just as the people reading it have a right to look into history and come to a conclusion. I'm sorry if a Jewish person has issue's with this but I would hope that, in the name of history, a open honest debate would be acceptable. Not a jail sentence, loss of standing within the church, or a lable of anti anything. I await the day Jewish are able to stop insisting they can write and then close (make questions off limits) crimes directed by any and all during this time period. I never heard of a vote making anyone judge and jury on historical positions. I might add some of the most informative information I have recieved has come from people of the Jewish faith that aggree it is crazy that in this day and age, questioning history of "Holocaust" can be used in this manner. To my Pope, I say stand back up and let freedom of speech be the lesson. No one is hurt by the Bishops "position".

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Feb 6, 09, 22:40 / #
Seanus: Lesser, Hateful Bunch was not wrong when she said that Judaism and Christianity are very similar. Recently, I spend much of my free time exploring Judaism and its relations with Christianity. These are in fact two very different religions and some similarities don't change this fact. Same fact that Judaism insist that God is exclusively Jewish speak for itself. Christianity is a universal religion. Let me add that Judaism reject eschatology which is very important in Christianity. Judaism concentrate exclusively on life in the earth, this is very materialistic. Rejection of Christ, rejection of Trinity, completely different concept of Messiah. Trevek: From his recent actions concerning Islam (public conversion of a noted anti-Islamic critic etc) I think he needs some new advisors. In the times when secular elites are unwilling to stand up against radical Islam, his initiative was priceless. Europe doesn't need multiculturalism (or rather multicivilizationism), non-European emigration should be prepared to assimilation process.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Feb 6, 09, 23:01 / #
Traditionally, both Judaism and Christianity believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, for Jews the God of the Tanakh, for Christians the God of the Old Testament, the creator of the universe. Judaism and major sects of Christianity reject the view that God is entirely immanent (although some see this as the concept of the Holy Ghost) and within the world as a physical presence, (although trinitarian Christians believe in the incarnation of God). Both religions reject the view that God is entirely transcendent, and thus separate from the world, as the pre-Christian Greek Unknown God. Both religions reject atheism on one hand and polytheism on the other. Both religions agree that God shares both transcendent and immanent qualities. It depends how deep you want to look. They are quite different in many ways, yes.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Edited by: joepilsudski Feb 7, 09, 01:53 / #
ShelleyS: The bastard should stay excommunicated! The pope did the right thing by apologising, I expect this kind of hate talk from some Imam not for a Catholic priest, quite frankly I was ashamed to be Catholic after I heard about the story! Convert to Judaism...You will be eligible to be a partial Israeli citizen...However, as part of the conversion, after your menstrual period, you will have to take a ritual bath and be inspected by rabbis. Celinski: To my Pope, I say stand back up and let freedom of speech be the lesson. No one is hurt by the Bishops "position". Not only that, but this is strictly an internal Church matter...Not the EU, whom Merkel speaks for, or any political group, has a right to interfere. lesser: Recently, I spend much of my free time exploring Judaism and its relations with Christianity. These are in fact two very different religions and some similarities don't change this fact. Same fact that Judaism insist that God is exclusively Jewish speak for itself. Christianity is a universal religion. Let me add that Judaism reject eschatology which is very important in Christianity. Judaism concentrate exclusively on life in the earth, this is very materialistic. Rejection of Christ, rejection of Trinity, completely different concept of Messiah. Quite correct on all points. Also: All people have the right to worship in the way they chose...No political pressure should be brought on religious groups, unless their actions violate fundamental human rights.

Wahldo	Feb 7, 09, 02:05 / #
joepilsudski: Convert to Judaism... .. Sure, but she missed her chance to get in with Uncle Bernie. Ahh well, just steer clear of the settlements.