Russia says Iran nuclear plant nearing completion.

Since 1943 the military has been aware of the extreme toxicity of uranium as a gas. A Oct 30, 1943 memo from Manhattan Project physicist James B. Conant to Brig. General L.B. Abrams stated that as a gas warfare instrument the radioactive material would be ground into microscopic particles forming dust and smoke and could be distributed by ground fired projectiles, land vehicles or aerial bombs. In this form it would be inhaled by personnel. They estimated that one millionth of a gram would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment for such casualties.

The depleted uranium DU was also recommended as a permanent terrain contaminant which could be used to destroy populations by contaminating water supplies and agricultural land with radioactive dust. Current estimates suggest that the damaged soil in Iraq, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan will need four and a half billion years to recover from the radioactive effect of DU.

Depleted uranium weapons were developed by the U.S. Navy in 1968. Depleted uranium weapons were given to and used by Israel with U.S. supervision in the Yom Kippur War in 1973 against the Arabs nations.

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Sep 10, 08, 08:44 / #
So it's just a question of time before the US/Israel start the next war in the Middle East! URL MOSCOW, Sept 9 (Reuters) - Iran's Bushehr nuclear plant is nearing completion and the start-up of its reactor will soon become "irreversible", the Russian state-owned company that is building the power station said on Tuesday. Russia has already delivered nuclear fuel under a $1 billion contract to build the Bushehr plant, on the Gulf coast in southwest Iran, and Iranian officials say the reactor is likely to be started up soon.

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Sep 10, 08, 10:01 / #
hairball: Russian state-owned company that is building the power station said on Tuesday. Or shall we call it Russia's new play ground?

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Sep 10, 08, 10:06 / #
celinski: Or shall we call it Russia's new play ground? We shall call it an echo of american blitzkrieg in SO.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08	Sep 10, 08, 10:47 / #
I once had the priviledge to taste Iranian Nougaz (a sweet). It was made of coconut, pistacheu, sugar, rose water, something called "manna", and some other secret ingredient.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07	Sep 10, 08, 11:57 / #
well I cant really see the political advantage of them actually finishing it. seems like an ongoing saga about this is politically advantageous to iran and russia. i think its just big talk from russia. the last I had heard about this the russians said the iranians werent paying the bills and the iranians said the russians were scared to finish the project because of pressure from the west (usa)

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Sep 10, 08, 17:59 / #
hairball: So it's just a question of time before the US/Israel start the next war in the Middle East! One of the deals made between the Georgians and the Israelis was this: Georgia would allow Israel the use of it's airfields for jet bombers to attack Iran, as the flying time from Georgia to Iran is much shorter then from Israel to Iran, via Jordan and Iraq...this was in exchange for Israeli weapons and military advisors used in the attack on South Ossetia...Russia knew of this, and put the kabosh on this plan...Also, there were reports that Israel tried to launch an attack or 'probe' into Iran in January of this year, with it's air force, via Iraq...the US Air Force intercepted the Israeli jets and they turned back...sane elements in the US military are trying to prevent this attack on Iran.

Defence101Threads: - Posts: 14 Joined: Sep 1, 08	Sep 11, 08, 18:56 / #
Medvedev accused the United States of "developing relations with rotten regimes," referring to the U.S. support of Tbilisi's pro-Western government. So how do countries like Argentina, Iran and Syira match up to US allies?!

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 11, 08, 19:34 / #
hairball: So it's just a question of time before the US/Israel start the next war in the Middle East! Not a chance, the vast majority of US forces are stuck in Iraq and the money for a prospective war have already been spent on Iraq and Afganistan, US doesnt have money to fight. Israel being a little fascist warmonger that it is is being run by smart people so unless they have US backing or feel reeeeealy threatened they're gonna stick to dick waving.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Sep 12, 08, 15:37 / #
Dekameron: Israel being a little fascist warmonger that it is is being run by smart people so unless they have US backing or feel reeeeealy threatened they're gonna stick to dick waving. This is true, but sometimes the Israelis put their dick in a dangerous place, as when they whip it out in areas of Russian security interest.

FranekThreads: 21 Posts: 525 Joined: Apr 12, 08	Sep 16, 08, 11:39 / #
Thread attached on merging: What if Iran already posses a nuclear weapon? Does anyone in here think that Iran will not be attacked by Isreal,backed by America? Why Is Iran so defiant. Does she already posses a nuclear weapon, supplied by Russia or North Korea? Our intellegence was wrong in Iraq. Why should it be accurate now?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 16, 08, 11:51 / #
Iran is Persia. Old civilization. They have God given right to be free and to use nuclear technology on the behalf of Iranian people and on the behalf of complete human kind. All Slavs, themselves part of one old civilization, should respect rights of other civilizations

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Sep 16, 08, 12:00 / #
Crow: They have God given right to be free and to use nuclear technology on the behalf of Iranian people and on the behalf of complete human kind. As long as the nukes aren't pointing at Slavs right?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 16, 08, 12:32 / #
Dekameron: As long as the nukes aren't pointing at Slavs right? i nicely said and i won`t reapeat myself read what i said

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Sep 16, 08, 14:47 / #
szarlotka: As long as the nukes aren't pointing at Slavs right? There is no evidence what so ever that Iran has in the past, or intends to in the future, enriched uranium to weapons grade standard. In fact, the International Atomic Energy Agency says exactly the opposit. Article IV (1): These modalities cover all remaining issues and the Agency [meaning IAEA] confirmed that there are no other remaining issues and ambiguities regarding Iran's past nuclear program and activities. Article IV (3): The Agency's delegation is of the view that the agreement on the above issues shall further promote the efficiency of the implementation of safeguards in Iran and its ability to conclude the exclusive peaceful nature of the Iran's nuclear activities. Article IV (4): The Agency has been able to verify the non-diversion of the declared nuclear materials at the enrichment facilities in Iran and has therefore concluded that it remains in peaceful use. URL

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 16, 08, 12:03 / #
szarlotka: As long as the nukes aren't pointing at Slavs right? Lets be generous, as long as the nukes are not pointed at Europe. I personally could not blame Iran, not with Israel as a neighbour.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 16, 08, 13:31 / #
Crow: i nicely said and i won`t reapeat myself read what i said That so was not me.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 16, 08, 14:58 / #
Exactly hairball, it is all hype, spin thrown out by partisan sources. It's all part of the scaremongering strategy, that which people buy and are sucked into. Iran, until PROVEN otherwise, is using uranium as an alternative source of energy. Why aren't they allowed to have one? After all, look what America did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Pure hypocrisy.

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Sep 16, 08, 15:08 / #
Yes, hypocrisy is something the British know nothing about. You're just upset the Americans found a better way to kill than the British did. Thankfully you guys were able to invent nerve gas to "trade" for our technology. Regardless... The report is over a year old, and the evidence and conclusions inside it even older. Does anyone have anything more recent? Dekameron: szarlotka: As long as the nukes aren't pointing at Slavs right? Lets be generous, as long as the nukes are not pointed at Europe. I personally could not blame Iran, not with Israel as a neighbour. Last I checked, Israel has done nothing to Iran. Iran's president, on the other hand, has vowed to destroy the nation of Israel. Not the kind of person, were I living in Israel, I would want having nuclear weapons. Israel has NEVER called for the destruction of Iran, at any rate. They DID ask for bunker busters and overfly permission of certain US controlled areas of Iraq-but from what I gather were shot down.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 16, 08, 15:14 / #
JohnP: Israel has NEVER called for the destruction of Iran, Israel is a local hegemony with an open policy of nuclear obliteration if anyone threatens it, it is a cause of ALL the instablity in the Middle East so Iran has every right to be wary of Israel especially after the Israeli supported invasion of Iraq. Iraq has oil, so does Iran.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 16, 08, 15:18 / #
Again, true Dekameron. That's just the nature of things

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 16, 08, 15:27 / #
Dekameron: That so was not me. sorry man. Miss Szarlotka provoked my reply. You, as we know, are innocent

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Sep 16, 08, 15:30 / #
Dekameron: JohnP: Israel has NEVER called for the destruction of Iran, Israel is a local hegemony with an open policy of nuclear obliteration if anyone threatens it, it is a cause of ALL the instablity in the Middle East so Iran has every right to be wary of Israel especially after the Israeli supported invasion of Iraq. Iraq has oil, so does Iran. This is a ridiculous statement. If Israel even possesses a nuclear weapon, they do not admit it, so this claim of an "open policy of nuclear obliteration if anyone threatens it" is essentially a lie. Otherwise, why were no nuclear weapons used in the Yom Kippur war, or when Syria was developing weapons grade material? What about the recent spat with Hezbollah in Lebanon? Strange....again, no nuclear weapons. Likewise, if they planned on using nuclear weapons, attacking the site their likely manufacture, or perhaps storage, in a nation which has vowed to annihilate them, would be a good time to consider doing so. So...why would they ask the US for bunker busters (denied incidentally) instead? It has nothing to do with oil. They have a right to survive as a nation just as much as any other. Regardless of if "we" think they have any right to defend themselves or not. Incidentally...prior to the invasion of Iraq, Europe's oil came from various places. Deals were struck, and all that above oil...was controlled by Russia. Saddam had a deal with Putin (one of the reasons Putin was so upset about things) Iran's Ahmadinejad has a deal with Putin, about the only oil going into Europe now that doesn't go through Russia is....through Georgia. We Americans may not always be the nice guys, but we're also not always the bad guys, either. Same thing goes with the Israelis. "It's about oil" is such a cliche as to only prove one hasn't considered the topic fully, and is IMHO a cop-out. EVERYTHING could be construed to be about oil; there is however more to it than that.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 16, 08, 16:31 / #
JohnP: What about the recent spat with Hezbollah in Lebanon? You mean where Israel used the kidnapping of 2 IDF soldiers by unknown group ( everyone including Hezbollah says its them ) to invade another country ? JohnP: This is a ridiculous statement. Lets take your bullsht apart. JohnP: If Israel even possesses a nuclear weapon, they do not admit it What fracking uneducated farm in the southern US did you escape from banjo boy, Israel admitted openly though never officially that it has nukes, in a fuckton of interviews they hint to having nukes, they have ICBMs too so its fracking obvious they wont load the warheads with mashed potatoes. Do not insult people here with liberal ******, if something is common knowledge admitted and confirmed but never signed with a golden official letter its still common knowledge. JohnP: so this claim of an "open policy of nuclear obliteration if anyone threatens it" is essentially a lie. No ? So when Ehud Barak went "we will use any and all means at our disposal' that meant NUKES, every fracking nation knew it meant nukes yet here you come claiming Israel does not have nukes despite every bloody military claiming it does, it being listed officially as a country possesing nukes alas not a nuclear power. JohnP: Likewise, if they planned on using nuclear weapons, attacking the site their likely manufacture, or perhaps storage, in a nation which has vowed to annihilate them, would be a good time to consider doing so. So...why would they ask the US for bunker busters (denied incidentally) instead? Because they obviously did NOT plan on using nukes to destroy the facility you blasted liberal bigot. Israel is a paracite state in the sense that it needs US money and weapons and it needs good publicity to get these so its not going to go out of its way and off US by nuking installations that IT claims produces nukes, seriously dude ... JohnP: It has nothing to do with oil. They have a right to survive as a nation just as much as any other. Regardless of if "we" think they have any right to defend themselves or not. So ? Let me get you indepth you liberal liar, if Iran wanted to wreck Israel as bad as they say they'd let ebola loose in Jerusalem or Black Pox or any other relatively easily available bio - weapon, they obviously do not which means that as its pretty clear to anyone but lying pro-semitic trash who're responsible for the ME conflict Iran is just talking crap, bottom line Iran is run by sensibile people who while they want the security of the nukes do not rush to start a nuclear exchange. JohnP: "It's about oil" is such a cliche as to only prove one hasn't considered the topic fully, and is IMHO a cop-out. EVERYTHING could be construed to be about oil; there is however more to it than that. No ** you little liar, you realise US openly admitted they knew of no WOMDs in Iraq prior to the war, so yeah it was about oil. JohnP: Same thing goes with the Israelis. Israelis took the land from the people who lived their for hundreds of years, exiled or genocided the local population and built their racist and fascist little state in the place of those murdered or kicked out, with your help too, if thats not the bad guys i dont know what is. In fact Jews would happily go medieval on Middle East populations but they need publicity, i'm by no means a great lover of the muslim but Israeli Jews with rascist little fascist regime are far worse.

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Sep 16, 08, 16:38 / #
Dekameron: What fracking uneducated farm in the southern US did you escape from banjo boy, Israel admitted openly though never officially that it has nukes, in a fuckton of interviews they hint to having nukes, they have ICBMs too so its fracking obvious they wont load the warheads with mashed potatoes. Do not insult people here with liberal *******, if something is common knowledge admitted and confirmed but never signed with a golden official letter its still common knowledge. I see you have already lost the argument and have resorted to name calling. The Israelis do not have ICBMs, either, friend. While they may imply they have nuclear weapons, so did Saddam. Likewise they have not claimed* they have them, exactly, although many assume they did. So...does this mean Saddam DID have them? All of the other things you take issue with apparently went right over your head. Kidnapped soldiers or whoever-it doesn't matter how the war started. You had stated that Israel had an open threat of nuclear annihilation against any who threatened them. So...I simply listed all the cool little wars where Israel did not even mention the thought of using a nuclear weapon. Israel also has never, again, threatened to destroy Iran. Iran's latest President, on the other hand, has promised exactly that for Israel. Back to your sandbox, so you can call all the other kids names, too.

DekameronThreads: 1 Posts: 289 Joined: Sep 11, 08	Sep 16, 08, 16:44 / #
JohnP: I see you have already lost the argument and have resorted to name calling I resorted to name calling because you're a liar and a bigot, people like you are responsible for the creation of Israel on the graves of the locals, for the unjustified agression on Iraq, Guantanamo and all the other crap, if i could i'd line jerks like you under a wall and shoot you all, Jewish, American, Russian, the world would be a cleaner and a better place. http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/ Nuclear capacity of Israel you little liar, and dont call me a friend.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 16, 08, 16:47 / #
Of course Israel is a major nuclear power and of course it has numerous warheads.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,950 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Sep 16, 08, 17:52 / #
Yes,they have.Victor Ostrovsky the former Mossad agent writes it clearly in his book with details where the nuclear program is. I think they have about 200 warheads.(150 or more in 2008 according to CIA estimates).Israel has not signed the treaty for non proliferation of nuclear weapons. URL

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Edited by: hairball Sep 18, 08, 13:33 / #
JohnP: Otherwise, why were no nuclear weapons used in the Yom Kippur war, But they were used! Since 1943 the military has been aware of the extreme toxicity of uranium as a gas. A Oct 30, 1943 memo from Manhattan Project physicist James B. Conant to Brig. General L.B. Abrams stated that as a gas warfare instrument the radioactive material would be ground into microscopic particles forming dust and smoke and could be distributed by ground fired projectiles, land vehicles or aerial bombs. In this form it would be inhaled by personnel. They estimated that one millionth of a gram would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment for such casualties. The depleted uranium DU was also recommended as a permanent terrain contaminant which could be used to destroy populations by contaminating water supplies and agricultural land with radioactive dust. Current estimates suggest that the damaged soil in Iraq, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan will need four and a half billion years to recover from the radioactive effect of DU. Depleted uranium weapons were developed by the U.S. Navy in 1968. Depleted uranium weapons were given to and used by Israel with U.S. supervision in the Yom Kippur War in 1973 against the Arabs nations. URL Edit: JohnP: Israel also has never, again, threatened to destroy Iran. Again not true. Israel threatens Iran with destruction An Israeli minister has threatened Iran with destroying the country if the Islamic Republic launches 'an attack on the regime'. URL

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Sep 18, 08, 13:54 / #
Dekameron: people like you are responsible for the creation of Israel on the graves of the locals, easy to point the finger. Dekameron: if i could i'd line jerks like you under a wall and shoot you all, Jewish, American, Russian, the world would be a cleaner and a better place. And you are just a peace loving innocent bystander. lol chill