Russian nuclear maneuvers on Poland

RIGA -- Latvia is to hold large-scale military exercises next summer, in response to the Russian-Belarusian strategic exercises, held in September, a TV channel said.

The Latvian TV3 channel quoted Latvian Defense Minister Imants Liegis as saying the decision to hold the drill was already taken, although it had not been yet set what military units would be involved.

The Russian-Belarusian drill, called Zapad (West) 2009, was held on September 18-29, involving about 12,500 service personnel, 40 aircraft and 200 pieces of military equipment.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the plan for the exercises, which was developed in the late 1990s in a bid to achieve greater political, economic and military integration between the two neighbors, was "purely defensive."

nunczkaThreads: 17 Posts: 623 Joined: Sep 13, 08	Nov 2, 09, 18:24 / #
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6480227/Russia -simulates-nuclear-attack-on-Poland.html Russian simulated nuclear attack on Poland

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 2, 09, 18:27 / #
nunczka Polish sources? I'm googling but I only find this one Telegraph article..

nunczkaThreads: 17 Posts: 623 Joined: Sep 13, 08	Nov 2, 09, 18:35 / #
BB I just found this on the (DRUDGE REPORT)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 2, 09, 18:37 / #
nunczka: BB I just found this on the (DRUDGE REPORT) Link?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Nov 2, 09, 18:44 / #
British journalism at it's best! rolls eyes 1. Picture of infantry fighting vehicle described as a Russian "military tank". 2. "Russia has provoked outrage in Poland" - hardly; all they provoked was some good laughs and jokes on Polish internet portals :-) 3. "Red Army forces stormed a "Polish" beach"... erm... "Red Army"??? :-) 4. "Karol Karski, an MP from Poland's Law and Justice, is to table parliamentary questions on Russia's war games and has protested to the European Commission." Well, I don't know if that's true, but if it is then Karski should rather convince president Kaczynski to organize military excercise in Poland simulating capturing of Moscow :-) 5. "Ordinary Poles were outraged by news of the exercise and demanded a firm response from the government." - all the "ordinary Poles" I know (including me) were either completely indifferent or mildly amused :-)

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Nov 2, 09, 18:46 / #
nunczka: Russian simulated nuclear attack on Poland Apparently they did a simulated bombing of Gliwice town centre and totally flattened it. The estimated cost of the damage was 500zl (sorry seanus :-)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 2, 09, 18:46 / #
Torq: 5. "Ordinary Poles were outraged by news of the exercise and demanded a firm response from the government." - all the "ordinary Poles" I know (including me) were either completely indifferent or mildly amused :-) So it is true???

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Nov 2, 09, 18:53 / #
They would not dare attack Poland...I for one , have a very sharp pointy stick , which i am quite prepared to use if any Russkies start their nonsense....

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Nov 2, 09, 18:53 / #
Bratwurst Boy: So it is true??? Well, apparently there was some joint Russian/Belarussian military excercise with the landing on "Polish" beach simulated and the defense of the gas pipeline excercise conducted, but the hysteria of some of the newspapers is truly hilarious. If Russian army wants to train the invasion of a country then what other country than Poland should it be? Switzerland, Belgium or Laos perhaps? When our army conducts defensive excercises then nobody is pretending that the "aggressive" side in the simulation isn't Russia (and who else should it be? Zimbabwe?). Normal military business, nothing out of ordinary. I would be surprised if Russians didn't train the attack on Poland (I would probably suspect then that they are plotting something devious :-)).

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 2, 09, 19:03 / #
Torq: Normal military business, nothing out of ordinary. Oki! phew

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Nov 2, 09, 19:16 / #
wildrover: The Ivans are coming....run for your lives.... No no no. When a bear charges the worst thing you can do is run away. They're fast and very curious you see. Firstly you must check whether the Russian is a brown one (slightly mucky) or a black one (very mucky). If it is the former you should lie down and play dead, unless you have evidence that it has been stalking you in which case pick up an old axle and belt the living sh*t out of it. If it is a black one do not play dead but make loud noises and make yourself look bigger. Do not climb a tree cos they are good at that too. If the Russian keeps on coming then offer it a bribe or resort to plan B with the axle. If the Ivan has a tactical nuclear weapon with it then do not panic. It is probably defective anyway.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Nov 2, 09, 20:01 / #
Bratwurst Boy: and what makes you think Ivan can't run faster than you??? OK..then i will dig a hole and hide in it...

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Nov 3, 09, 05:39 / #
The Russian air force practised using weapons from its nuclear arsenal, while in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, which neighbours Poland, Red Army forces stormed a "Polish" beach and attacked a gas pipeline. What? Red Army?!?! omg, i thought the ussr was gone forever...... yikes! Reminds me of one simpsons episode: Russian UN Rep: The Soviet Union will be pleased to offer amnesty to your wayward vessel. USA Un Rep: Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up. Russian UN Rep: Nyet! That's what we wanted you to think, hahahahahaha!

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08	Nov 3, 09, 10:28 / #
Russian nuclear maneuvers on Poland A slightly more balanced article The Economist Polish, Baltic and other officials will meet in Warsaw shortly to discuss the significance of the exercises Russia’s armed forces may be ramshackle, but many European members of NATO are in poor shape too. The alliance’s ability to defend the Baltic states depends almost wholly on American involvement.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Nov 2, 09, 19:11 / #
The Ivans are coming....run for your lives....

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 2, 09, 19:32 / #
....and what makes you think Ivan can't run faster than you???

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 2, 09, 19:50 / #
As I have just said on the other thread, it's all about posturing and game playing. Russia just wants to remind Poland who's boss but that's bullying and no more. There is no level playing field. Putin visited Tusk in Sopot and they seemed to forge cordial times. The Poles have more than enough experience with the Russians and they are just making noises. The Russians can be more crafty than that.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Nov 2, 09, 19:55 / #
Torq: Switzerland, Belgium or Laos perhaps? Some imaginary grudge holding slavic country from the far west..; )

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Nov 3, 09, 11:02 / #
Torq: "Red Army"??? :-) Good catch! :)) Also... The Russian air force practised using weapons from its nuclear arsenal The journalist didn't even bother himself to find out what kind of delivery vehicle was used for nuclear warheads nowadays.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Nov 3, 09, 17:42 / #
Russian nuclear maneuvers on Poland Poland should be neutral on current military alliances. That`s what i warmly suggests, for all sorts of reasons. Same suggestion goes for Baltic states Latvia to stage "retaliatory" military exercises Serbia`s B92 NEWS / 2 November 2009 \| 09:47 \| Source: Ria novosti http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=11&dd=02&na v_id=62753 RIGA -- Latvia is to hold large-scale military exercises next summer, in response to the Russian-Belarusian strategic exercises, held in September, a TV channel said. The Latvian TV3 channel quoted Latvian Defense Minister Imants Liegis as saying the decision to hold the drill was already taken, although it had not been yet set what military units would be involved. The Russian-Belarusian drill, called Zapad (West) 2009, was held on September 18-29, involving about 12,500 service personnel, 40 aircraft and 200 pieces of military equipment. The Russian Defense Ministry said the plan for the exercises, which was developed in the late 1990s in a bid to achieve greater political, economic and military integration between the two neighbors, was "purely defensive."

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Nov 3, 09, 20:14 / #
Crow: Latvia to stage "retaliatory" military exercises lol Latvia. I bet that will scare the russians. :)

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Nov 3, 09, 22:45 / #
polishcanuck: lol Latvia. I bet that will scare the russians. :) no, it won`t scare them. But, all this is rather sad to me It would be much bater for all of us if just Russia found way to stimulate cooperation in the region and among all Slavs. Realy

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Nov 3, 09, 23:08 / #
polishcanuck: lol Latvia. Whats the insulting wise ass name for a Person from Latvia...?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Nov 5, 09, 13:43 / #
stratfor U.S., Baltic States: Military Exercises in Russia's Buffer Zone November 4, 2009 \| 2149 GMT http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20091104_us_baltic_states_military_ex ercises_russias_buffer_zone The United States has plans to engage in military exercises with the Baltic states annually, starting in September or October 2010. The drills are another way in which the United States is pressuring Russia and, as such, are likely to increase tensions between Washington and Moscow. The U.S. proposal to hold military exercises with the Baltic states is the latest move in Washington's overall effort to establish influence in Russia's near abroad as part of the countries' ongoing standoff on the Iranian nuclear issue. With Moscow unwavering in its military and technical support of Iran, the United States has increased its cooperation with countries all over Russia's periphery. Washington's efforts have ranged from U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's series of visits and provocative statements in the region to considering the installation of Patriot missiles in Poland to U.S. Defense Department official Alexander Vershbow's effort to increase military cooperation with Ukraine and Georgia. all this isn`t good for Poland. Poland`s military neutrality on current global alliances is warmly suggested