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Death from the Skies

August 24, 2008
by Brian Harring

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2869.htm

Russian military intelligence interrogators found a packet of reports, wrapped in plastic and taped to the man’s back. This packet consisted of “the highest level security matters.”

This concerned the ongoing plan to base Israeli fighter-bombers at Marneuli military airbase, 20 kilometers south of Tbilisi and that these aircraft were intended for a special air raid on the Iranian capital city of Tehran. It was originally felt that six aircraft were to be utilized, three attacking the city itself and three to attack targeted Iranian oil facilities.

The captured Israeli’s papers, all written in Hebrew, when translated by the Russian GRU turned out to be somewhat different in nature. While one flight was indeed intended to attack various Iranian oil facilities, the second flight was planned to drop chemical warfare bombs on Tehran. These bombs, which were designed to blow open at a set altitude, were filled with weapons-grade anthrax and this anthrax, kept in a specially sealed box at the U.S. diplomatic offices in Tiblisi, came from Fr. Detrick in Maryland and their shipment had the approval of the President himself.


I believe. I believe in every single word of rapport

USA, EU and NATO already shown that they are capable for use of nuclear, high-tech and chemical weapon on civilians in modern time and there are many rapports about it in media and on the Net. USA, EU and NATO did it in Europe. They did it to Serbians.

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  Aug 28, 08, 03:58 /  #
Crow:

They did it to Serbians.


And in Afghanistan and Iraq twice, and of course Iran is next in line. It's strange how they only attack weaker countries who don't have the capability to respond with equal force.
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Crow:

I believe. I believe in every single word of rapport

USA, EU and NATO already shown that they are capable for use of nuclear, high-tech and chemical weapon on civilians in modern time and there are many rapports about it in media and on the Net. USA, EU and NATO did it in Europe. They did it to Serbians.


********. You believe? Very gullible. I'm a millionaire, give me your bank details and I'll send you £3million!
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  Aug 28, 08, 04:18 /  #
Arise_St_George:

********. You believe? Very gullible. I'm a millionaire, give me your bank details and I'll send you £3million!


Oh boy, you should save them for reconstraction of army
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Who's army? O.o
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Arise_St_George:

Who's army? O.o


Ooops, I thought you are Georgian, sorry.
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  Aug 28, 08, 04:42 /  #
Arise_St_George:

********.

England is very primitive, isn`t it?

Arise_St_George:

You believe?

absolutely

Arise_St_George:

Very gullible.

gili gili gili

Arise_St_George:

I'm a millionaire,

i plan to be

Arise_St_George:

give me your bank details and I'll send you £3million!

ah, that isn`t necessery. Sooner or later, this way or another, with payment or without it, Serbians would `repay` you in double
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  Aug 28, 08, 04:43 /  #
Crow:

ah, that isn`t necessery. Sooner or later, this way or another, with payment or without it, Serbians would `repay` you in double


Yeh ok lol...

The comedian of PF
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Arise_St_George:

The comedian of PF

``i have a deal with PF``

i am obliged to speak only and only truth but it always must sound like a good fun and commedy

its because of Polish obligations to NATO and EU freaks

situation is similar to that when Kaczynski laughs at Tusk while he deal with Condoleezza in case with missile shield

Kaczynski laughs to prevent that true Polish friends wouldn`t think that he is too serious with Conda Conda and to show that Tusk isn`t player
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Crow:

but it always must sound like a good fun and commedy


Oh you can say that again!
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Arise_St_George:



Crow:
but it always must sound like a good fun and commedy


Oh you can say that again!

no

i was in the mood, now i`m not

go... cover yourself with your big english ears
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Crow:

USA, EU and NATO already shown that they are capable for use of nuclear, high-tech and chemical weapon on civilians in modern time and there are many rapports about it in media and on the Net. USA, EU and NATO did it in Europe. They did it to Serbians.


I must have missed the bit when NATO nuked Belgrade. Which year was it?

One other tiny little point which kind of blows your theory out of the water: the EU has no armed forces.
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  Aug 28, 08, 11:59 /  #
Harry:


I must have missed the bit when NATO nuked Belgrade. Which year was it?

These were tiny nukes, and top secret ones. So secret in fact that nobody, except for Crow, ever noticed. Not even those who deployed them.
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Edited by: Crow   Aug 29, 08, 00:59 /  #
Harry:

I must have missed the bit when NATO nuked Belgrade. Which year was it?

there are different kind of nuclear weapons

On Serbians, NATO used missiles with depleted uranium and that`s not secret, it`s well known in international comunity
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Edited by: hairball   Aug 29, 08, 04:03 /  #
Harry:

I must have missed the bit when NATO nuked Belgrade


He's telling the truth. It's just America and Britain deny that they are using them. But they are!

Nukes of the Gulf war by John Shirley URL

Depleted Uranium: Weapon of Mass Destruction URL

Death By Slow Burn
How America Nukes Its Own Troops
URL

z_darius:

These were tiny nukes


When it comes to radiation poisoning sise is not important!
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Crow:
there are different kind of nuclear weapons

On Serbians, NATO used missiles with depleted uranium and that`s not secret, it`s well known in international comunity


Depleted Uranium is not a nuclear weapon. The material is used because it is very dense. DU weapons kill because of the kinetic energy they have not because of any 'nuclear' effects.

Funny how the Serbs claim that DU is terrible but the World Health Organization says there has been no increase in cancer among the civilian population in Kosovo.

Remind me what kind of weapons Russia uses against civilians. From what I remember your army is more than happy to use DU, cluster munitions, Thermobaric weapons (i.e. Fuel/Air explosives), white phosphorus, napalm, chemical weapons and other high-tech weapons against civilians and has proven this repeatedly over more than three decades. Just one example would be when the Russian army heroically attacked Grozny's main market with a short-range ballistic missile. But of course the heroic Russian army then announced that if the city did not surrender "Persons who stay in the city will be considered terrorists and bandits and will be destroyed by artillery and aviation."

The use of your beloved weapons has meant that even the Russian government has had to designated one-third of Chechnya a "zone of ecological disaster" and another 40% "a zone of extreme environmental distress".
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Harry:

Depleted Uranium is not a nuclear weapon.

Depleted Uranium: The Trojan Horse of Nuclear War

LEUREN MORET / World Affairs – The Journal of International Issues 1jul04
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/DU-Trojan-Horse1jul04.htm

The use of depleted uranium weaponry by the United States, defying all international treaties, will slowly annihilate all species on earth including the human species, and yet this country continues to do so with full knowledge of its destructive potential.

The fact is that the United States and its military partners have staged four nuclear wars, "slipping nukes under the wire" by using dirty bombs and dirty weapons in countries the US needs to control. Depleted uranium aerosols will permanently contaminate vast regions and slowly destroy the genetic future of populations living in those regions, where there are resources which the US must control, in order to establish and maintain American primacy.

Described as the Trojan Horse of nuclear war, depleted uranium is the weapon that keeps killing. The half-life of Uranium-238 is 4.5 billion years, the age of the earth. And, as Uranium-238 decays into daughter radioactive products, in four steps before turning into lead, it continues to release more radiation at each step. There is no way to turn it off, and there is no way to clean it up. It meets the US Government’s own definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction.


for public on so called west, everything is ok,... till it start to killing their children
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Edited by: hairball   Aug 29, 08, 12:51 /  #
Harry:

DU weapons kill because of the kinetic energy they have not because of any 'nuclear' effects.


You're very wrong harry. Please post some links that prove DU weapons arn't radio active and I'll post hudreds more to the three I've already posted proving they are!
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Crow:

I believe. I believe in every single word of rapport

This report is an unconfirmed one....TBRNews is loosely connected with the Barnes Review and AmericanFreePress, which are extremely anti-Zionist, but, in the case of AFP, are often ahead of the curve in thier assesments...Barnes Review is a periodical which publishes essays.

Harry:
Depleted Uranium is not a nuclear weapon. The material is used because it is very dense. DU weapons kill because of the kinetic energy they have not because of any 'nuclear' effects.


You are incorrect...the primary 'deadly' effect of DU weapons is the spread of radioactive dust when they are both fired and fragment when hitting a target...Google Douglas Rocke, who wrote the US Army manual on DU, and saw first hand the effects of this WMD during his service in Gulf War1, and his attempt to clean up the mess afterward.
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Edited by: hairball   Aug 30, 08, 04:57 /  #
Harry:

I must have missed the bit when NATO nuked Belgrade. Which year was it?


From my link "Death by slow burn"

For years, the U.S. and NATO fired DU missiles, bullets and shells across the Balkans, nuking the peoples of Serbia, Bosnia and Kosovo. As DU munitions were slammed into chemical plants, the environment became hideously toxic, also endangering the peoples of Albania, Macedonia, Greece, Italy, Austria and Hungary. By 1999, UN investigators reported that an estimated 12 tons of DU had caused irreparable damage to the Yugoslavian environment, with agriculture, livestock and air water, and public health all profoundly damaged.38

Scientists confirm that citizens of the Balkans are excreting uranium in their urine.39 In 2001, a Yugoslavian pathologist reported that hundreds of Bosnians have died of cancer from NATO's DU bombardment.40 Many NATO peacekeepers in the Balkans now suffer ill health. Their leukemias, cancers and other maladies are dubbed the "Balkans Syndrome." Richard Coghill predicts that DU weapons used in Balkans campaign will result in at least 10,000 cases of fatal cancer.41



Harry:

Depleted Uranium is not a nuclear weapon



From my link "Nukes of the gulf war"




Some DU ingested through breathing and wounds lodges permanently in bones and tissue, and acts as a chemical and radiological toxin for the remainder of a person's presumably-shortened lifetime. The Military Toxins Project reports that "large numbers of children near contaminated areas have developed leukemias and other health problems" likely associated with exposure to DU.
Sources:

"Collateral Damage: How U.S. Troops Were Exposed to Depleted Uranium
During the Persian Gulf War," Dan Fahey, Swords to Plowshares Depleted
Uranium Network of the Military Toxins Project.

U.S. Army Environmental Policy Institute: Health and Environmental
Consequences of Depleted Uranium in the U.S. Army, Technical Report,
June 1995.

U.S. General Accounting Office, Operation Desert Storm: "Early
Performance Assessment of Bradley and Abrams," January 2, 1992.

The Nation Magazine, October 21, 1996, "The Pentagon's Radioactive
Bullet" by Bill Mesler.

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Two amusing points:

Firstly, if the US wanted to kill people by using radioactive materials, they would use one rather more radioactive than the low-level DU.

Secondly, funny how none of our Russian friends have so much as a single word to say about their own army's use of DU, cluster munitions, Thermobaric weapons (i.e. Fuel/Air explosives), white phosphorus, napalm, chemical weapons and other high-tech weapons against civilians. In fact, Russia is the only member-state of the Chemical Weapons Convention which has used chemical weapons against civilians. Another proud boast you won't hear from our friends.
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Harry:

Firstly, if the US wanted to kill people by using radioactive materials, they would use one rather more radioactive than the low-level DU.


They wouldn't. They're not that stupid to come back to Hiroshima&Nagasaki. If they followed your advice, they wouldn't have money enough to bullsh!t even americans to say nothing about their faithful followers abroad.

Harry:

Secondly, funny how none of our Russian friends have so much as a single word to say about their own army's use of DU, cluster munitions, Thermobaric weapons (i.e. Fuel/Air explosives), white phosphorus, napalm, chemical weapons and other high-tech weapons against civilians. In fact, Russia is the only member-state of the Chemical Weapons Convention which has used chemical weapons against civilians. Another proud boast you won't hear from our friends.


Well... you have a good chance to utter single or more words.
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LOL, do you know how many payments would have to go out to the victims of this type of warfare :). The US would never use such weapons first, except maybe on Russian no need in Iran. Iran's large mouths with loud voices are there only weapon vs the US.

The only country using anything radioactive that I have seen is Russia, taking out that spy.

Any type of nuclear device no matter how small will register and be picked up around the world by govt. you cannot hide a nuclear reaction fool.
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hairball:

It's strange how they only attack weaker countries who don't have the capability to respond with equal force.

It's not strange at all. It's logical.
It would be stupid to attack those with equal, or prevailing forces.
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I think arguing whether a DU round is radioactive or not (possibly about the same as a glow in the dark watch?) to cause its killing effect is ridiculous. People with 30 mm entrance wounds have more to worry about than if the round could make a few clicks on a Geiger counter.
Harry was right, by the way. DU was selected because of its very high mass, allowing maximum energy transfer of the round against armor (it was designed as an armor piercing round).
The A-10 aircraft, prime user of DU ammunition I believe, has a gun that fires so fast that on a gun pass over a football field sized row of tanks at typical strafe speed, would leave one bullet every four inches-or so I've been told. Factor in that rather than spread out in this matter, the gun is aimed with computer help at a specific armored vehicle, and the crew of that vehicle won't live long enough to worry about whether the bullets are lead, DU, or snowballs.
I've seen pictures posted of people playing on burned out tanks and the like, apparently suggesting these were somehow intended to be victims of the DU also-well, so far how many valid sources show a large increase in death due to radiation poisoning, in say, Iraq-or Chechnya?
Now, how many other poisonous, unsavory things do you imagine are in spent ordnance-
Exactly. There are just some things people should not play with, including household cleaners, DU, artillery rounds, and live grenades are a few. DU is dangerous if inhaled or ingested-not sure how one would inhale it unless during or shortly after the round has been fired, in which case one has other problems to worry about too, and as far as tasting it-come on.
What's next, America is evil for using acid in their vehicle batteries? Are kids drinking that these days?

I'm a bit incredulous at some of the claims being made. Dead is dead. We don't have time for a bullet to "radiate" a tank to death. We much prefer to blow holes through it.

John P.
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Harry:

Firstly, if the US wanted to kill people by using radioactive materials, they would use one rather more radioactive than the low-level DU.


No...If the US used a nuclear or hydrogen weapon openly, there would be such an outrage in the US it might spark civil war...So, it uses '4th Generation' weapons such as DU, which are easily concealed from the public's sight...our controlled media will permit no discussion of the DU weapons, as any frank dialogue would inevitably bring to light their destructive/contaminating power...there is talk that the US has already used 'mini-nuke' frogs in Iraq...these 'frogs' are very low yield, and unless trained inspectors are on the scene, their use can be disguised...Israel has also been acussed of the use of 'frogs', by an ex-American colonel during Gulf War 1, and bu other sources in the case of the Harriri assasination in Lebanon...there also exists circumstantial evidence of the use of a 'hydrogen device' in both WTC 1/2...a 'pure hydrogen' bomb can have a very low yield, and the radio-active contamination is quickly dissipated...the power of such a 'mini-nuke' can also be focused to a precise degree.
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Hmmm.
Perhaps I need to find some tinfoil to make a helmet...you know they transmit brainwaves, too...

There are low yield nuclear weapons and have been on both sides (US and Soviet) since at least the 1960's. "Backpack Nukes" they are commonly called. Pretty sure the Soviet Union had more of these and perhaps better technology of them, as typically anything with the word "nuclear" in its name gets strangled politically here in the US. Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging machines....in the US are simply called "MRI" leaving out the "nuclear" because it would not sell. There is a lot of hype about radioactive material that I find rings a bit of a tall tale. Like specifics of why DU rounds are or are not used in battle.

Joe, I'm a bit curious where you get your information on some of these things. There's been speculation about many many things, but that is different than claiming specifics like "the power of such a 'mini-nuke' can also be focused to a precise degree."
Do you have a link to this, because to be honest it sounds a bit far fetched.

Regardless, if you want to avoid being killed by a DU round, try to stay out of tanks, generally, and you'll be ok.

For every tragedy or harsh reality, there is the simple explanation, then there is the dramatic, sinister, really exciting conspiracy theory that could also explain the same events. Typically the one that requires the least effort by both parties is the true answer, in my opinion. Elaborate plots? not so much.
DU rounds are used because they allow small rounds to kill tanks, and only because they kill tanks. Lead is poisonous too, after all...and ALL nations use lead in their bullets. The dust from lead as well as lead itself should not be eaten or inhaled. Sounds a lot like the same treatment as DU.

John P.
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  Sep 19, 08, 04:09 /  #
JohnP:

(possibly about the same as a glow in the dark watch?)


No JohnP read the credible links I've posted that are writen by experts.

A comment like that is typical of a US Army grunt.
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Harry:

In fact, Russia is the only member-state of the Chemical Weapons Convention which has used chemical weapons against civilians. Another proud boast you won't hear from our friends.


Ya but they are sending that to there new state in Iran.
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Edited by: hairball   Sep 19, 08, 14:21 /  #
JohnP:

so far how many valid sources show a large increase in death due to radiation poisoning, in say, Iraq-or Chechnya?


Lots!

Sick soldiers

Only 467 US soldiers were officially wounded during the 1990-91 Gulf war.

But according to Terry Jemison at the US Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), of the more than 592,560 discharged personnel who served there, at least 179,310 - one third - are receiving disability compensation and over 24,760 cases were pending by in September 2004.



URL URL URL
Health

Uranium blamed for Gulf War Syndrome

URL

Like I said. Lots

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