Senator Brownback uses the phrase "Polish concentration camp"

Dear Mr. Senator. It came to my attention that recently you have used the phrase "Polish concentration camp" while speaking in the US Senate. Please be advised that there was never such a thing as a "Polish concentration camp" and the proper phrase is a "Nazi concentration camp". A public apology to the country of Poland and the Polish People is in order.

Sincerely,

Guest	Edited by: Moderator Apr 23, 09, 16:07 / #
Senator Brownback just recently used the phrase "Polish concentration camp" in the Senate. You can email Senator Brownback at brownback.senate.gov/CMEmailMe.cfm . Please let him know that there was no such thing as "Polish concentration camp", and a public apology to the Polish Americans and Poland is in order.

anubisThreads: - Posts: 37 Joined: Apr 22, 09	Apr 23, 09, 16:17 / #
Brownback needs 99% of his mental acumen just to remain upright on his hind legs, so don't expect him to have any awareness of history. Politicians are sensitive to voter feedback though, so a flood of e-mails correcting his mistake is a good idea.

eddy2Threads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Apr 22, 09	Apr 23, 09, 16:22 / #
Guest: Senator Brownback Uneducated ignorant.

Guest	Apr 23, 09, 16:28 / #
This is the email I have sent: Dear Mr. Senator. It came to my attention that recently you have used the phrase "Polish concentration camp" while speaking in the US Senate. Please be advised that there was never such a thing as a "Polish concentration camp" and the proper phrase is a "Nazi concentration camp". A public apology to the country of Poland and the Polish People is in order. Sincerely,

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Apr 23, 09, 20:09 / #
Guest: This is the email I have sent: This is the e mail you will get back. Dear guest Get ******. Regards ............

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 23, 09, 20:45 / #
Sent. I've also mailed my family in Chicago and NY and a few friends.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Apr 23, 09, 20:49 / #
What is the source of this, Guest?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 23, 09, 23:33 / #
They are just slack with their wording. Surely he can't believe that they were actually Polish rather than just in Poland?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 11:11 / #
Guest: Please let him know that there was no such thing as "Polish concentration camp", and a public apology to the Polish Americans and Poland is in order. There most certainly were Polish concentration camps. Some of the post-WWII Polish concentration camps were so bad that the commanders were charged with crimes against humanities. Poland also operated a pre-WWII concentration camp. It is somewhat hypocritical to be so insistent on accuracy over the naming in of certain concentration camps (i.e. those run by the Nazis in Poland) but to be so inaccurate as to the naming of others (i.e. insisting that concentration camps were actually 'labour' camps or seclusion centres).

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 11:30 / #
Seanus: They are just slack with their wording. Surely he can't believe that they were actually Polish rather than just in Poland? Doesnt matter, more slackiness and retards like Harry and Sjam, only in power will try to rewrite history.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Apr 27, 09, 11:38 / #
Seanus: There is ample material on the matter and the overwhelming majority of people know what happened. Polish concentration camp my a*s!! It's the lie repeated a thousand times thing. I sometimes wonder who runs this forum, as these repeated lies are tolerated here, yet challenging posts end up removed.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 11:42 / #
1jola: It's the lie repeated a thousand times thing. I sometimes wonder who runs this forum, as these repeated lies are tolerated here, yet challenging posts end up removed. The truth is more simple. Poland ran concentration camps before and after WWII. Perhaps some people confuse those Polish concentration camps with other concentration camps which were in Poland but not at all connected to the people of Poland. Or it might just be that the US education system is crap.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Apr 27, 09, 11:49 / #
Harry: Read up on the camp which Salomon Morel ran and then tell me it was not a Polish concentration camp. It was a Stalinist camp. Right? In 1945, was Poland not an idependent country. It was under Soviet domination and Polish political prisoners were interned there. Haven't you learned anything in your 14 years in Poland?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 11:55 / #
Seanus: What concentration camps were these, Harry? I probably haven't read as much as you but I've never seen this even mentioned outside of PF. Zgoda, Łambinowice, Niemodlin, Potulice, Jaworzno, Sikawa. Of course any good Pole will claim that these were labour camps.... Have a read of "Eye for an Eye" by John Stack (although his book is more about Jewish revenge and redemption). Martha Kent has written some good stuff too and she was actually at the camps

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 27, 09, 11:32 / #
There is ample material on the matter and the overwhelming majority of people know what happened. Polish concentration camp my a*s!!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 27, 09, 11:41 / #
I've learned just to tone it down as Jews have a fiery way of coming back at you. They are wound up real tight and I just don't care enough to argue the toss. They will believe what they will believe. To me, I just believe that there were no Polish concentration camps i tyle.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 27, 09, 11:43 / #
What concentration camps were these, Harry? I probably haven't read as much as you but I've never seen this even mentioned outside of PF.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 11:52 / #
Harry: Read up on the camp which Salomon Morel ran and then tell me it was not a Polish concentration camp. It was a Jewish concentration camp, Stalinist but ran by and directed by a Jew.

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Apr 27, 09, 11:55 / #
Harry: The truth is more simple. Poland ran concentration camps before and after WWII. I know of a camp located at Bereza Kartuska that was established as a camp of isolation for those most critical of the regime. I do not know of a program that systematically killed those interned in this camp. Source: A Concise History of Poland Jerzy Lukowski & Hubert Zawadzki (pages 244-245) Harry: Or it might just be that the US education system is crap. You'd be correct sir. But no worries mate; the Tabula Rasa is going to educate everyone.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 27, 09, 12:00 / #
The only thing I can find is the Polish concentration camps after WWI and, even then, it seems only to be a label that stuck.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 12:01 / #
Babinich: I do not know of a program that systematically killed those interned in this camp. You seem to be mistaking a concentration camp for an extermination camp. Poland never opperated any extermination camps. 1jola: It was a Stalinist camp. Right? In 1945, was Poland not an idependent country. It was under Soviet domination and Polish political prisoners were interned there. How strange to see you using the same excuse as the Nazi camp guards used. Would you have used "I was only following orders" to excuse you invading Poland and killing Polish people if you had been ordered to do that while you served in a foreign army? Sokrates: It was a Jewish concentration camp, Stalinist but ran by and directed by a Jew. a) Aleksy Krut wasn't Jewish. b) What's your excuse for the Łambinowice camp (run by a Pole who was later charged with war crimes) and the other Polish concentration camps?

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Apr 27, 09, 12:09 / #
Harry: How strange to see you using the same excuse as the Nazi camp guards used. Would you have used "I was only following orders" to excuse you invading Poland and killing Polish people if you had been ordered to do that while you served in a foreign army? Would you agree that the decissions to set up such camps were made independent of Moscow? Were MBP and NKVD Polish security services or were they set up by the Soviets? Was Poland an independent state at that time?

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08	Apr 27, 09, 12:15 / #
Harry: You seem to be mistaking a concentration camp for an extermination camp. Poland never opperated any extermination camps. I wanted you to state that the Poles did not run extermination camps. You did that; thank you.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Harry Apr 27, 09, 12:17 / #
1jola: Would you agree that the decissions to set up such camps were made independent of Moscow? The decision to set up those camps was made by Poles in the Polish government. Had they not set up camps, however, their Soviet masters would not have been pleased. 1jola: Were MBP and NKVD Polish security services or were they set up by the Soviets? The MBP was a Polish security service set up by the Polish government, although it is probable that a Russian was in real command of the actions of the Poles until the early 1950s. The NKVD was a Soviet security service set up by the Soviets, although from its creation until his death in 1926 it was under the control of a Pole. 1jola: Was Poland an independent state at that time? Back to the Nuremberg defence, eh. Tell us, would you have used "I was only following orders" to excuse you invading Poland and killing Polish people if you had been ordered to do that while you served in a foreign army? Would it have been a valid excuse for a Pole to use to justify invading his country and killing his countrymen? Or would that Pole have been a traitor? Babinich: I wanted you to state that the Poles did not run extermination camps. You did that; thank you. The topic of this thread is the phrase "Polish concentration camp". Which is why I'm talking about concentration camps.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Apr 27, 09, 12:27 / #
Harry: The decision to set up those camps was made by Poles in the Polish government. Had they not set up camps, however, their Soviet masters would not have been pleased. Their Soviet masters is correct. Not pleased???!!! They ran the vasal government from Moscow, and to call the communist traitors Polish government is a slap on the face to the Poles who died for independent Poland. You seem to enjoy such filthy lies and this forum tolerates you for some unknown reason. Harry: The MBP was a Polish security service set up by the Polish government Who elected this Polish government? Harry: The topic of this thread is the phrase "Polish concentration camp". Which is why I'm talking about concentration camps. I'll bet you can't wait for the next Polish anti-semitism thread.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 12:33 / #
1jola: Who elected this Polish government? Being unelected is no excuse. Germany never elected a Nazi government: would you have us believe that Germany was not at fault for any actions from 1933 to 1945 solely because their government was unelected. 1jola: the Poles who died for independent Poland. You wouldn't die for an independent Poland, would you? You were, however, quite happy to die for the USA. That is why you betrayed Poland and joined the army of a foreign power. Would "I was only following orders" excused you for killing Poles had you invaded Poland?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 12:52 / #
Why was my post removed? Camp run by Morel was a Jewish concentration camp, operated and fully controlled by a Jew.

MiruThreads: 1 Posts: 59 Joined: Apr 20, 09	Edited by: Miru Apr 27, 09, 12:57 / #
Let me just clarify something Harry: Being unelected is no excuse. Germany never elected a Nazi government: would you have us believe that Germany was not at fault for any actions from 1933 to 1945 solely because their government was unelected. There already was an elected polish government. Moscow "created" it's own government and it was about as much valid as the one created by nazis in General Government. The Soviets could have as well elected a goat as a Prime Minister and polish people would still have to live with it.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Apr 27, 09, 13:04 / #
Harry: Being unelected is no excuse. No excuse? The Soviets invaded Poland in 1939 and then set up a regime against the will of the Polish people(occupied us), called it some Polish People's Republic(sic), stationed its army here and now a genius comes along and calls this a Polish government. The Polish government was in exile! Harry: Germany never elected a Nazi government Yet tou refer to them as Nazis not Germans, even on this thread. Harry: You wouldn't die for an independent Poland, would you? You were, however, quite happy to die for the USA. That is why you betrayed Poland and joined the army of a foreign power. Would "I was only following orders" excused you for killing Poles had you invaded Poland? I'm getting sick of some loser who chose not to serve in the army, I suppose it's better if other men defend you, and then belittle someone who did. You seem to enjoy some favor on this board from the owners as I don't see your posts ending up in the trash. Why is that?