SHOULD POLAND/EUROPE BE WORRIED ABOUT RUSSIA??

rychlik:

If you don't live in Poland or haven't been doing so for 83% of your life then it's a bit of stretch for you to be identifying yourselves with day to day life here, economically or politically.

However your family is your blood and as people their concerns by rights are your concerns. Therefore you do have a vested interest in what affects your family but, as individuals, you are nonparticipants when it comes to daily life within the borders of Poland.

So when discussing who or what is threatening people in Poland "us" doesn't really include you personally, does it?

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08	Aug 11, 08, 22:51 / #
Russia threatens us about installing an American missile defense system and now invades Georgia. Should Poland and Europe be worried??? Discuss.

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 11, 08, 22:54 / #
From my understanding were burning European bridges by siding with America in so many circumstances. Why are we installing an American missile defense system on our land again? You have to ask yourself It's obvious the representatives that Polish citizens have nominated are being handed American money in their pockets of some sort.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Aug 11, 08, 23:36 / #
rychlik: Russia threatens us about installing an American missile defense system What did you expect since this installing was a direct threat for Russian safety and shook the nuclear parity (which in its turn threat for everybody including Poland). rychlik: Should Poland and Europe be worried??? No worries. Let's live in peace. :)

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08	Aug 11, 08, 23:40 / #
Yeah, the Poles are still negotiating. With only 10 missiles what's Russia really worried about?? I hope in the end they don't go through with it. This recent battle with Georgia is concerning though. Can you imagine if they started flexing their muscle with other countries closer to the EU?

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 11, 08, 23:50 / #
Sasha: Yeah, the Poles are still negotiating. With only 10 missiles what's Russia really worried about?? I hope in the end they don't go through with it. This recent battle with Georgia is concerning though. Can you imagine if they started flexing their muscle with other countries closer to the EU? The amount of missiles isn't the issue, why are we siding with a country half way across the globe and pissing off our neighbors is something you have to think about. As an American citizen - what has U.S ever done for Poland? If anything we are putting ourselves in danger by siding with them

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Aug 12, 08, 00:06 / #
rychlik: Can you imagine if they started flexing their muscle with other countries closer to the EU? Who "they"? Georgians? Unlikely... cause they're the US tool and they don't wanna use it against any ally-country. Russia is obvious geostrategical opponent of the US, it's not a secret. We (I mean "people") are welcome to choose either to support the truth or your own interests. Russians? I don't really know... :) If somebody else durst annihilate 2000 of its citizens and friends per night, I guess they would respond. rychlik: With only 10 missiles what's Russia really worried about?? I assure you as a "profy" (heh... not modest of me:)) in that kind of missiles that there're lots of reasons to worry about. The basic threat is not the missiles itself but their navigation system on the ground that's able to track our missiles on the beginning stage of their flight.

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08	Edited by: rychlik Aug 12, 08, 00:26 / #
MarcinD: what has U.S ever done for Poland I completely agree. I see Russia as a barbaric dictatorship pretending to be a democracy. They're no Poland. I say let sleeping dogs lay. I like the USA better for obvious reasons but they treat us like a second cousin. Their forces are stretched now as it is and most likely will continue to be stretched in the future. They wouldn't do **** for Poland if something went down. Poland has to start thinking about protecting itself and not rely on some country half way across the world. Sasha- I meant the Russians flexing their muscle around Europe. Of course not the Georgians. Too small.

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,984 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Aug 12, 08, 01:24 / #
rychlik: Russia threatens us rychlik: I like the USA better for obvious reasons but they treat us like a second cousin Why do you write "us" when you don't even live in Poland?

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 12, 08, 01:54 / #
rychlik: Why do you write "us" when you don't even live in Poland? I use u.s because I was born in Poland and all my family is still there. Americans consider me Polish although I've lived here 20 of my 24 years in the United States but Poles consider me American. I myself identify myself as Polish

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08	Aug 12, 08, 01:59 / #
Foreigner4: Why do you write "us" when you don't even live in Poland? Same thing that Marcin wrote. Most of my family lives in Poland. It's still my country.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Aug 12, 08, 04:43 / #
MarcinD: that's funny Not really, it was a simple mathematical calucation :0)

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Aug 12, 08, 04:47 / #
MarcinD: you guys are both silly Im hilarious if you dont mind, he likes maths

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 12, 08, 04:49 / #
MarcinD: Im hilarious if you dont mind, he likes maths nothings sexier than a gurl that has a multiplication table in her head

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Aug 12, 08, 04:50 / #
MarcinD: nothings sexier than a gurl that has a multiplication table in her head Or a calcuator on her desk?

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,984 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Aug 12, 08, 03:07 / #
If you don't live in Poland or haven't been doing so for 83% of your life then it's a bit of stretch for you to be identifying yourselves with day to day life here, economically or politically. However your family is your blood and as people their concerns by rights are your concerns. Therefore you do have a vested interest in what affects your family but, as individuals, you are nonparticipants when it comes to daily life within the borders of Poland. So when discussing who or what is threatening people in Poland "us" doesn't really include you personally, does it?

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 12, 08, 04:11 / #
rychlik: If you don't live in Poland or haven't been doing so for 83% of your life then it's a bit of stretch for you to be identifying yourselves with day to day life here, economically or politically. However your family is your blood and as people their concerns by rights are your concerns. Therefore you do have a vested interest in what affects your family but, as individuals, you are nonparticipants when it comes to daily life within the borders of Poland. So when discussing who or what is threatening people in Poland "us" doesn't really include you personally, does it? where'd you get the number 83 from haha To answer your question, no it doesn't but since when is Polish pride a bad thing? I see too many individuals all but turn their back on their Polish heritage and take on America's once they immigrate to the U.S. I'm 24, lived in Poland my first 4 years of my life, i've visited 5 times throughout my life (gets expensive flying from San Diego) each time staying atleast 2 months and all my family lives there. My parents are also expecting to return once they retire. While I agree overall with your saying who really cares? I've noticed atleast the Poles i've encountered here in the U.S bicker and fight over stupid **** too often (like this). Too much competition when we all come from the same motherland.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Aug 12, 08, 04:32 / #
MarcinD: where'd you get the number 83 from haha It's obviously 20/24*100% ;)

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 12, 08, 04:41 / #
MarcinD: It's obviously 20/24*100% ;) that's funny

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Aug 12, 08, 04:45 / #
MarcinD: that's funny I dunno. Mathematics has never made me laugh... :)

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 12, 08, 04:46 / #
you guys are both silly

MarcinDThreads: 5 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 10, 08	Aug 12, 08, 04:51 / #
MarcinD: Or a calcuator on her desk? preferably a graphing one

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Aug 12, 08, 05:00 / #
MarcinD: preferably a graphing one Oh dear, I'm going to have to disappoint you there, it's just a bog standard calculator...I bet Sasha has a fancy all singing all dancing graphing one though :)

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Aug 12, 08, 05:09 / #
ShelleyS: I bet Sasha has a fancy all singing all dancing graphing one though :) I have the fanciest one. :) Counting frame inherited from my Grandma. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Aug 12, 08, 05:21 / #
SHOULD POLAND/EUROPE BE WORRIED ABOUT RUSSIA?? Yes, Yes and Yes, last night's report also said Ukraine could be next.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Aug 12, 08, 05:27 / #
Should Poland/Europe be worried about Russia? Nope. Russia needs Europes business.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Edited by: Sasha Aug 12, 08, 05:28 / #
celinski: Yes, Yes and Yes, last night's report also said Ukraine could be next. What planet do you live on? You seem to be smart, so why you whole-heartedly believe your media? Hatred stronger than wit? Don't be crow#2 with your obsession.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Aug 12, 08, 05:28 / #
There were noises made that Russia may take a hostile stance against Poland for lack of support for their cause. Much like the US did against France. However, Russia must understand that the Poles will resist. I fear that Tusk is a bit of a pacifist. He must talk tough like Gordon Brown is doing. How can we mediate a conflict which is intractable? Neither side will budge. There are too many 2-faced ********. Bush had a recent dinner with the Chinese premier in which he discussed the issue with Putin in friendly terms. Then he brought Georgian troops back to Georgia to fight Russia. All smiles at the table but they need to reveal their true colours. They are advancing different agendas. The only cause for concern will be if we are not united in our purpose.

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08	Aug 12, 08, 05:33 / #
Seanus: There were noises made that Russia may take a hostile stance against Poland for lack of support for their cause. So what do you know that we don't? What might happen and what is your source?

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Aug 12, 08, 05:36 / #
Arise_St_George: Russia needs Europes business. Hardly, Russia has other larger countries to play with, Europe is merely an irritation who seem to be controlled by the US at every turn.

rychlikThreads: 51 Posts: 446 Joined: Aug 6, 08	Aug 12, 08, 05:40 / #
I just checked on CNN and it says that the Russian President has ordered to stop the fighting.