Some common aspects of policy and chess playing

ConstantineK:

I hope that you all know one simple truth, that playing chess with somebody you should be prepared for sweeping off pawns from the board and beating your opponent with this chess board, in case of obvious loss. The same situation with US (with its Polish satelit) from one side and Russia from another. Why Poland always try to exacerbate our relations? I think that polish politics should calculate some situations when bankrupted America won't be able to maintain polish security. What will they do then? London again?

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Jul 21, 08, 14:39 / #
I hope that you all know one simple truth, that playing chess with somebody you should be prepared for sweeping off pawns from the board and beating your opponent with this chess board, in case of obvious loss. The same situation with US (with its Polish satelit) from one side and Russia from another. Why Poland always try to exacerbate our relations? I think that polish politics should calculate some situations when bankrupted America won't be able to maintain polish security. What will they do then? London again?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 21, 08, 14:43 / #
FIDE ratings, Russia no1 and Ukraine no2. Is this why Russia fears Ukrainian influence getting stronger by joining NATO or the EU?

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Edited by: McCoy Jul 21, 08, 14:44 / #
why london? we'r part of EU and NATO. Knowing russian sympathy towards Poland , russia is the last country we would ask for any help. For me correct relations are enough. I dont want Poland to be russia's friend. Just partner in bussines.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Edited by: ConstantineK Jul 21, 08, 15:06 / #
I meant that Poland tries to make or relation worse with all these rocket shields deliberately and it is obvious. But in the same time it is obvious that US will not be able to maintain this huge heap of bases around the globe. They will leave you soon, leaving in the same time an unpleasant taste in russo-polish relations.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jul 21, 08, 15:10 / #
Seanus: Is this why Russia fears Ukrainian influence getting stronger by joining NATO or the EU? Ukraine and Belarus is going to join Poland and then we (together with Chinese) will make Russia to beg for mercy... Yank are just scuat boys needed for few years...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 21, 08, 15:13 / #
Belarus supply the manpower, they are sending their prozzies along by the bucketload, LOL I haven't really read much about the relationship between Russia and Belarus but Russia seem to be keeping a tight grip on them and I don't know why. Is Belarus really that influential? Ukraine would be an excellent strategic partner for Poland

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jul 21, 08, 15:15 / #
Seanus: I haven't really read much about the relationship between Russia and Belarus but Russia seem to be keeping a tight grip on them and I don't know why. Old commie pricks... half of their young elite is on our payroll...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 21, 08, 15:16 / #
Nice concise explanation, thx 4 that Greg :)

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jul 21, 08, 15:22 / #
I was serious.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 21, 08, 15:25 / #
Aha, aaaaagh, a tank is closing in on my eye ;)

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Jul 21, 08, 18:04 / #
Some common aspects of policy and chess playing Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes you draw.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Jul 22, 08, 09:13 / #
Grzegorz_: Constancia Ha-Ha, is it supposed to be fun? joepilsudski: so who do you think pays for their "independent media" and so on ? Oh yea, of course it is Poland...Poland is so rich to pay for all independent media...Well, but seriousely I suppose it is US or EU, and sure enouh not Poland

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 4, 09, 13:51 / #
Nothing like a good game of chess.

leszek38Threads: - Posts: 33 Joined: Apr 5, 09	Apr 5, 09, 11:56 / #
There is no point making friends with Russia. Back, when we are Warshaw Pact allies Russians we perfectly willing to nuke Poland just to make the NATO stumble. Why would anyone in his right mind wanted such an ally? Either Russia is friendly or hostile, the result is the same.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Jul 21, 08, 15:32 / #
on payroll? And who is paying? Poland? Ha-ha!

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jul 21, 08, 15:39 / #
ConstantineK: on payroll? And who is paying? Poland? Ha-ha! Constancia, so who do you think pays for their "independent media" and so on ?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 5, 09, 12:27 / #
That's nonsense! Russia were never perfectly willing to nuke Poland. Paranoia na maxa! I see spin works everywhere.

leszek38Threads: - Posts: 33 Joined: Apr 5, 09	Apr 5, 09, 13:32 / #
I dont say they would be happy about it. But they would have these scorched grounds of theirs anyway.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 5, 09, 13:34 / #
On what statements or proposed actions do you base that? Scaremongering is a favoured tactic of governments. It shows where the balance of power lies.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Apr 7, 09, 00:59 / #
ConstantineK: I hope that you all know one simple truth, that playing chess with somebody you should be prepared for sweeping off pawns from the board and beating your opponent with this chess board, in case of obvious loss. The same situation with US (with its Polish satelit) from one side and Russia from another. Why Poland always try to exacerbate our relations? I think that polish politics should calculate some situations when bankrupted America won't be able to maintain polish security. What will they do then? London again? Poland needs a 'Bobby Fisher-like chess man'...

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Apr 7, 09, 02:37 / #
Seanus: Ukraine would be an excellent strategic partner for Poland Absolutely. Seanus: I don't know why. Is Belarus really that influential? Seanus, everyone is important. Bielarus' has people like any other country, which btw are very warm and nice people. Russia can't exist without grabbing pieces of land or making satelites or other BS because in itself it is not a purposeful economy. It functions as a meat-grinder. As soon as there is no meat, it starts rusting and falls apart. Being the biggest country in the world and having all the natural resources necessary, it is still poor. G7 took it in because of its nukes, not economical development or influence. And what interesting it keeps on poking its nose in Ukraine, Georgia, Bielorus', Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia etc. I am surprised how many people are unaware of dangerousness of this brainless beast that can't do anything but mess up others' lives. McCoy: russia is the last country we would ask for any help. For me correct relations are enough. I dont want Poland to be russia's friend. Just partner in bussines. Exactly. Pure business.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Apr 7, 09, 06:21 / #
Nathan: Russia can't exist without grabbing pieces of land or making satelites or other BS because in itself it is not a purposeful economy. It functions as a meat-grinder. As soon as there is no meat, it starts rusting and falls apart. Being the biggest country in the world and having all the natural resources necessary, it is still poor. G7 took it in because of its nukes, not economical development or influence. And what interesting it keeps on poking its nose in Ukraine, Georgia, Bielorus', Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia etc. Living on your own you've only proved so far that you can hardly control your own economy providing people with the better welfare. What's wrong with you? :)) Ukraine is a pretty huge country that is rich of natural resources as well, furthermore you're lesser than Russia. Why can't you make your life better? :)) Russia sticks its nose? Well... perhaps... But Belorussia is our ally and the Baltic States are just trying to earn political points on opposing Russia. They have got nothing but this dramatic hatred. :) Ukraine... well... unless you're blind you see everything. Nathan: I am surprised how many people are unaware of dangerousness of this brainless beast that can't do anything but mess up others' lives. And I'm not surprised with you saying that. :)

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Apr 7, 09, 17:09 / #
Sasha: Russia sticks its nose? Well... perhaps... Don't say "perhaps" - it is not polite to the truth. Sasha: States are just trying to earn political points on opposing Russia. Whom are you deceiving, Sasha? Compare standards of living in the Baltic countries and in our own. Do you see the difference? And Russia keeps on poking its nose on every issue that there arises under a veil of defending the rights of Russians out there. Luckily for them % of Russians is low, whereas in Ukraine it is over 22%! My country slowly but surely will stand on its feet - no doubt. It is a long process where Russia intermingles in every political and economical aspect. Sasha: They have got nothing but this dramatic hatred. Why should it bother you? Are they putting nukes at your border or say to you where to put monument of The Unknown Soldier (as was in the case when Russians made a big scandal in Lithuania (if I am not mistaken)? Sasha: you can hardly control your own economy Turning off gas each time there is a political confrontation or raising prices for the fuel unreasonably are some of the factors of difficulty of control.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Apr 9, 09, 09:09 / #
Nathan: Do you see the difference? Living in Moscow? Pretty much the same. On suburbs? Yes the capitals of Baltic States live better than Russian outskirts. Still the Baltic States are backyards of Europe. Seconly, what does it have to do with what I said? They are trying to earn political points on opposing Russia. I'm not deceiving anybody. Nathan: And Russia keeps on poking its nose on every issue that there arises under a veil of defending the rights of Russians out there. Luckily for them % of Russians is low The brilliant piece. :)) Entirely characterize yourself. Nathan: Are they putting nukes at your border Bla-bla... better learn some poem by heart. :) Nathan: you where to put monument of The Unknown Soldier They were kindly asked to leave it where it was. They ignored our please. :) Nathan: Turning off gas each time there is a political confrontation or raising prices for the fuel unreasonably are some of the factors of difficulty of control. You make me yawning. Poem, Nathan, poem...

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 770 Joined: Apr 25, 08	Apr 9, 09, 10:57 / #
Russia is still trying to play a big shot having no industry, suffering Dutch disease (but without oil boom) and going down the drain in sense of economy. Russian GNP is expected to have a drop at rates of 15-20% (as calculated in $) this year, inflation is second to none, the budget incomes cut by 42%. It's quite funny to look at Russian dailies with the main first page headlines every day - oil prices ! Lamentable wannabe "superpower" cannot afford enough bread for toothless babushkas but still dreams of new nuclear tsar-pushkas and more "rabs" LOL. Stop your delirium and get real.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Apr 12, 09, 16:48 / #
Sasha: They are trying to earn political points on opposing Russia. They are trying to live like the rest of the world, the way Russia seems not be able to. Sasha: They were kindly asked to leave it where it was. They ignored our please. So even where Lithuanians have to keep their monuments is a Russian priority in international relations. Should they call Moskow and ask where they have to go to take a crap?

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,952 Joined: May 17, 07	Apr 12, 09, 18:51 / #
ConstantineK: think that polish politics should calculate some situations when bankrupted America won't be able to maintain polish security A prophet?

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Apr 12, 09, 22:03 / #
I looked at my message again, it was written two months before crisis. Please, just don't think that I caused america's bankruptcy...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 7, 09, 01:07 / #
Where's Kasparov when you need him? Chess is a game of thrust and parry, of counterstrike and of deeper tactics. I loved it. I was primary school champion and beat some good computers. Obama could benefit from some of the more strategic aspects involved.

mateinoneThreads: 10 Posts: 78 Joined: Mar 15, 09	Dec 7, 09, 01:12 / #
lol a thread on chess and politics :) I used to play a lot also and coach it as well, but that was in a different lifetime, I have hardly moved the pieces in 10 years now. Is chess popular in Poland?