18th March of the Living in Auschwitz-Birkenau

As over 8,000 young Poles and Jews from 40 countries take part in the eighteenth March of Living in Auschwitz-Birkenau to commemorate victims of Holocaust many are asking whether the experience is a beneficial one for those involved

Others, such as prominent rabbi, Zalman Melamed, have called for Jews to refrain from visiting Poland, because is an “impure country riddled with anti-Semitism”. Another leading rabbi Shlomo Aviner said that Israeli students must not take party in educational trips to the Nazi death camps in Poland, so as to provide livelihood to people who allowed death camp to be build on their land and are now making profit out of it,”

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER	Apr 22, 09, 01:21 / #
As over 8,000 young Poles and Jews from 40 countries take part in the eighteenth March of Living in Auschwitz-Birkenau to commemorate victims of Holocaust many are asking whether the experience is a beneficial one for those involved Others, such as prominent rabbi, Zalman Melamed, have called for Jews to refrain from visiting Poland, because is an “impure country riddled with anti-Semitism”. Another leading rabbi Shlomo Aviner said that Israeli students must not take party in educational trips to the Nazi death camps in Poland, so as to provide livelihood to people who allowed death camp to be build on their land and are now making profit out of it,” read here

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Apr 22, 09, 01:33 / #
pgtx: March of the Living I am kinda glad its not the dead...! Its a bit sad that some people are blaming the Polish people for allowing such death camps to be built in their land , i don,t think the Germans needed any permission to do anything in Poland at this time , or in any other occupied country.... As for making a profit out of trips to this place , its a tricky issue , nobody is going to want to provide any tours , or food or whatever without getting something out of it , not sure what the answer is there....?

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Edited by: joepilsudski Apr 22, 09, 22:12 / #
Young Jews march in memory of Holocaust victims By WOJCIECH GALON, Associated Press Writer Wojciech Galon, Associated Press Writer OSWIECIM, Poland – Thousands of young Jews and elderly Holocaust survivors marched Tuesday at the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz to honor those who perished in the Holocaust, while an Israeli official condemned the Iranian president's recent anti-Israel comments. A shofar, or ram's horn, sounded the march's start. Around 7,000 people from more than 40 countries, many carrying the blue-and-white flag of Israel, then streamed through the infamous wrought-iron gate — crowned with the words "Arbeit Macht Frei," or "Work Sets You Free" — at the former Auschwitz camp. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaYkphnRkckMfL_B6d06 J0JW6b7gD97MSV8O0 No mention of Polish 'holocaust victims? What flag do they wave?

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Apr 23, 09, 00:12 / #
pgtx: Another leading rabbi Shlomo Aviner said that Israeli students must not take party in educational trips to the Nazi death camps in Poland, so as to provide livelihood to people who allowed death camp to be build on their land and are now making profit out of it,” People like Shlomo help perpetuate anti-semitism. joepilsudski: No mention of Polish 'holocaust victims? I believe that holocaust remembrance is slowly being taken over by the jews. In the future, there will be no mention of the others that were sent to these death camps (ie: slavs, homosexuals, political prisoners, gypsies/roma, mentally handicapped, etc.). I recall that in high school we were constantly told that X number of jews had been killed, but rarely did they teach us about the others. Sad, really.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Harry Apr 23, 09, 10:12 / #
joepilsudski: No mention of Polish 'holocaust victims? Two points: 1) Three million of the holocaust dead were Polish Jews. They were both Polish and Jewish. Do try to get your head round that concept. 2) There is a very clear mention in that article of the non-Jewish Polish victims: At least 1.1 million people, mostly Jews, but also non-Jewish Poles, Gypsies and others, died in Auschwitz-Birkenau's gas chambers or from starvation, disease and forced labor before Soviet troops liberated the Nazi-run camp on Jan. 27, 1945. joepilsudski: What flag do they wave? They same one which flew over Warsaw during the first Warsaw uprising. polishcanuck: People like Shlomo help perpetuate anti-semitism. Sadly that is very true. Although a good number of anti-semites need no further excuse at all to hate Jews.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 23, 09, 13:31 / #
Yet more hotels destroyed and Poles beaten up, Jewish hooligans celebrate holocaust.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Apr 23, 09, 15:32 / #
Harry: They same one which flew over Warsaw during the first Warsaw uprising. The Jews flew two flags then. What were they, Shlomo? Sokrates: Yet more hotels destroyed and Poles beaten up, Jewish hooligans celebrate holocaust. Are the children defecating on the hotel carpets again?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 23, 09, 16:49 / #
1jola: Are the children defecating on the hotel carpets again? Carefull, you might be accused of anti-semitism and beaten up like that elderly man in Kraków when he asked young Jews about the time.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Apr 23, 09, 23:16 / #
joepilsudski: No mention of Polish 'holocaust victims? we must conclude that Polish victims aren`t important for THEM. Well, for Serbians, Polish victims are national and personal chatastrophy and tragedy But, Poland isn`t in alliance with Serbians but with THEM. Who rule Poland? Where Poland go?.... into Eurabia?

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08	Apr 26, 09, 11:47 / #
With feedback like this is there any wonder Jewish visitors get the feeling they're not liked in Poland? It really makes me want to wave a POlish flag!

MiruThreads: 1 Posts: 59 Joined: Apr 20, 09	Edited by: Miru Apr 26, 09, 12:47 / #
Speak for yourself Sokrates. I have never in my whole life met with anti-semites outside internet. And to the anti-semites the behaviour of anti-polish Jews serves only as an excuse, just as for anti-polish Jews the behaviour of polish anti-semites is only an excuse. And with comments like this you are definitely not helping to improve the image of Poles. if you dislike Jews so much then how about you show them your superiority, tolerance and open-mindedness;)

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 26, 09, 12:49 / #
Miru: Speak for yourself Sokrates. Not Jews but Israeli trips are uniformly hated by hotel managers and people who have to work with them for prolonged periods of time. Miru: you dislike Jews so much then how about you show them your superiority, tolerance and open-mindedness;) I dont mind Jews, i mind specific things like Israeli trips, we should round up those little racist gits and kick them out, whats the point of any dialogue when they act like little monkeys on crack?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 26, 09, 12:57 / #
Hate is a strong word and I don't think anything done by the Jews here merits that, Sokrates.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Apr 26, 09, 18:05 / #
Seanus: Hate is a strong word and I don't think anything done by the Jews here merits that, Sokrates. If someone pays you 30 Euro for a room and destroys the room for 200 Euro damages you sure as hell wont love them for it. Seanus: I don't think anything done by the Jews here merits that, Like beating up elderly Poles because they got too close to the trip? Smearing rooms in **, spitting on the floor in restaurans and scream "** Polaks" out of train and bus windows? I'm not even touching stuff like breaking into a concentration camp to pray (its a site of memory for all of us). Also in a pamphlet given out to Jewish savages, i mean young people there was a fragment saying "we will be surrounded by Poles everywhere, we will hate them for their part in the crimes". Jews need to be banned from entering Poland to celebrate Holocaust or visit camps, period.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Apr 26, 09, 12:15 / #
It makes me wonder about such a march in Germany??? Somehow I get the feeling they would need tight security...

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 26, 09, 12:25 / #
yehudi: they're not liked in Poland? They're not liked in Poland, they're little racist bastards who smear hotelrooms with their own ****, its not a far fetch to say we hate them.

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08	Apr 26, 09, 19:39 / #
Sokrates, I think you must have hotel managers in your family. You seem obsessed by the situation in hotels. Your foaming at the mouth only confirms the impression that all Poles hate Jews. If I hadn't met Poles myself and hadn't read some of the more intelligent posts on this forum, I might have thought so myself. You are truly a hateful individual.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Apr 26, 09, 20:03 / #
yehudi: Sokrates, I think you must have hotel managers in your family. You seem obsessed by the situation in hotels. Your foaming at the mouth only confirms the impression that all Poles hate Jews. If I hadn't met Poles myself and hadn't read some of the more intelligent posts on this forum, I might have thought so myself. You are truly a hateful individual. No i'm not i'm just opposed to allowing Jews free passage through Poland as long as they behave like that towards us, we're a free country and we should not put up with a bunch of bloody racists coming here to shite on our doorstep, dialogue with Israeli Jews at this point in time is counterproductive in the face of their anti-Polish prejudice and you're a hypocrite to call me hateful when its your countrymen who are violent racist arseholes towards Poles.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Harry Apr 27, 09, 11:01 / #
Sokrates: we should not put up with a bunch of bloody racists coming here to ****e on our doorstep, Seeing as some Poles are obviously happy to use Jewish tombstones as their doorstep, you can't really complain too much when some Jews decide to sh!t on your doorstep. 1jola: The Jews flew two flags then. What were they, Shlomo? Was one of them the flag of the nation whose army you joined? Oh, sorry, my mistake. One flag was the flag of the ŻZW (white over dark blue) and the other was the only national flag, the Polish national flag. You of course swore alligence to the flag of the USA and joined the army of the USA.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 11:23 / #
Harry: Seeing as some Poles are obviously happy to use Jewish tombstones as their doorstep, you can't really complain too much when some Jews decide to sh!t on your doorstep. I can if they do it in Poland, its a valid reason to ban them from coming here.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 11:39 / #
Sokrates: I can if they do it in Poland, its a valid reason to ban them from coming here. Quite right. Let's ban any Pole who uses a Jewish tombstone as a doorstep from coming to Poland. Then some Jews will have nothing to sh!t on and everybody will be happy.

MiruThreads: 1 Posts: 59 Joined: Apr 20, 09	Apr 27, 09, 13:08 / #
Harry: Let's ban any Pole who uses a Jewish tombstone as a doorstep from coming to Poland. Huh? There are some like that? In that case someone should inform police. It's called desecration and is punishable by law.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 13:15 / #
Miru: There are some like that? In that case someone should inform police. It's called desecration and is punishable by law. I've seen it myself in Lublin. The police know about it and do not care about it.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 13:19 / #
Harry: Quite right. Let's ban any Pole who uses a Jewish tombstone as a doorstep from coming to Poland. Then some Jews will have nothing to sh!t on and everybody will be happy. They can build a palace out of Polish tombstones as long as they do it in Israel, if they come here they should show respect in regards to the country or stay out. Harry: I've seen it myself in Lublin. The police know about it and do not care about it. You're lying, as usually.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 13:42 / #
Sokrates: They can build a palace out of Polish tombstones as long as they do it in Israel, if they come here they should show respect in regards to the country or stay out. That tombstone is a Polish tombstone. It is the tombstone of a Polish Jew. Sokrates: You're lying, as usually. You want a photo of it?

MiruThreads: 1 Posts: 59 Joined: Apr 20, 09	Apr 27, 09, 13:54 / #
Harry, have you tried speaking to the owner of the house? Or you could just.. you know... go there at night and take it away. It's not stealing if you do it in the name of law and morality.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 14:09 / #
Harry: You want a photo of it? Together with something that proves that its in Poland, yes thank you. Harry: That tombstone is a Polish tombstone. It is the tombstone of a Polish Jew. If its ornate than its a nice doorstep i bet.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 14:22 / #
Miru: Harry, have you tried speaking to the owner of the house? The thing was shown to me by a tour guide in Lublin. She had been told about it by one of her university professors. When the professor first saw the tombstone he contacted the owners of the building and told them that they had a tombstone where the doorstep should be. They said that they didn’t care. Sokrates: Together with something that proves that its in Poland, yes thank you. Buy my next book (when it comes out) and you will have a photograph of the stone and the address of it so you can go look for yourself or phone somebody you know in Lublin and get them to look for you.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 27, 09, 14:42 / #
Harry: Buy my next book (when it comes out) and you will have a photograph of the stone and the address of it so you can go look for yourself or phone somebody you know in Lublin and get them to look for you. In other words you're lying :)

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,238 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER	Edited by: ukpolska Apr 27, 09, 14:55 / #
I have a friend in Lublin who is a tour guide and I will ask him, but I shouldn't think it's too far beyond the realms of possibility, seeing as the Jewish owners of a shopping centre built it on the site of a transit camp off Lipowa street for Mjdanek concentration camp in Lublin. http://www.deathcamps.org/lublin/lipowa.html