THOUSANDS OF YOUNG ISRAELIS FLOODING POLAND

z_darius:

I have been always wondering about this kind of claims.
Nearly all of 3 million Polish Jews are claimed to have been exterminated by Germans. About 10,000 are alleged to have survived, of whom most are likely dead now. Who exactly is making those claims? The 3 million dead ones?

Regardless, similar practices are not unknown, and are fiercely defended, incidentally by Israelis.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Apr 17, 09, 14:04 / #
The educational project for high school students has been expanded to include opportunities of personal contact between Polish and Israeli youth. Each year thousands of Israeli high school students come to Poland to learn about the land from where many of their forefathers had come. It is part of the 'Children of Israel' educational project. The trip is preceded by a one year course on the history of the Holocaust. Until recently, their stay in Poland consisted mostly of visits to museums and places of remembrance connected with the Jewish wartime tragedy, such as the sites of Nazi German death camps in Auschwitz or Majdanek. Lately, this program has been expanded to include opportunities of meeting Polish youth. Thanks to this they are experiencing Poland from a different angle, at ordinary school level. History is an important element of every nation's indentity, but equally important is making the best of our present to create foundations for a better future, argue the organizers.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 14:42 / #
This contact between Israeli and Polish youths is a very good thing. Hopefully both sides can notice that neither has fangs and that both are, when you get right down to it, as human as each other. Who knows, perhaps some of the Israeli kids might even decide that the land of their grandfathers is actually a better place to live than Israel and move back here? Hopefully the extra contact will do something to improve the behaviour of some of the Israeli kids and their guards. Some of the stuff they have been doing over the past few years has been nothing short of disgraceful.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 14:47 / #
Harry: Hopefully the extra contact will do something to improve the behaviour of some of the Israeli kids and their guards. Some of the stuff they have been doing over the past few years has been nothing short of disgraceful. Israeli trips to concentration camps should be banned untill Israeli Jews can improve, i dont care how much this means to them, its our country, its our land and they should act respectfully, assaulted Poles, demolished hotelrooms smeared in ****, racist remarks by students and teachers.

miranda	Apr 17, 09, 14:52 / #
Sokrates: Israeli trips to concentration camps should be banned untill Israeli Jews can improve, i dont care how much this means to them, its our country, its our land and they should act respectfully, assaulted Poles, demolished hotelrooms smeared in ****, racist remarks by students and teachers. oh, shut it. It was their land too.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Apr 17, 09, 14:56 / #
miranda: oh, shut it. It was their land too So you're defening the current thuggish behavior? (which is well-documented)

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 14:56 / #
Let us combine efforts and restore Sarmatia while it isn`t to late, that we have something to left to our children. What would be Poles? Democratic Slavic Alliance or Eurabia?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 14:57 / #
miranda: oh, shut it. It was their land too. So was Lwów ours, the kids who come here now have nothing in common with people, it was never their land because they're born in Israel and the way the young Jews behave, its racist, its wrong and its extreme. Before each trip they're told not to approach any Pole since they can be assaulted, they typically go with guards, often armed, cases of assaulting Polish civilians who even got too close to the trip abound, teachers quite openly comment on how racist and evil are Poles, hotelrooms are demolished to a point that many hotels in Oświęcim and Kraków will no longer accept Israeli trips. So yes the borders should be closed to them untill they deal with it, its our country we have the right to demand it.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 14:58 / #
Sokrates: they should act respectfully They might do that if fewer Poles were anti-Semitic. Or would you call using a Jewish tombstone as a door-step respectful?

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08	Apr 17, 09, 15:01 / #
aphrodisiac: how did you come to that conclusion? follow closely: 1. poster criticizes well-documented very bad behavior by Israeli teens in Poland, suggested diplomatic means to address the issue 2. miranda tells him to shut up What conclusion would you come to?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Apr 17, 09, 15:02 / #
Harry: Or would you call using a Jewish tombstone as a door-step respectful? I've seen worse than that.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Apr 17, 09, 15:08 / #
Harry: It's not exactly 'many' is it? Some I agree will no longer accept those groups but then some hotels will not accept British stag groups. Does that mean we should ban all British from coming to Poland? Brits are not nearly as bad, getting drunk and smashing things up is not as bad as intentionally wrecking the place because its Polish, and yes there's a growing group of hotels, hostels and other places that dont accept them since having Jews check in costs more in damages than they pay, typically pursuing some sort of compensation does not work either. Harry: I didn't know your Hebrew was so good. My English is, there's Poles who work with Jews and speak Hebrew and adress this problem too but that while unpleasant could be accepted, the violence bit cannot. Harry: That is bollocks. And seeing how I live in the Warsaw ghetto, I may just have more experience with these groups than you. Oh come on, young Jews are being told to stick to the group because "Poland is dangerous" they're being intentionally fed fear and hatred to the point they think they'll get murdered if they lag two meters behind. Harry: Show me Israelis showing such disrespect as using Polish tombstones as door-steps. I can show you Israelis beating up an elderly Pole, stealing and destroying hotelrooms, spraying "**** POLAK" on the walls of it, all of those are much worse since they include physical and verbal violence, i'm still of the opinion that we shoud ban those little savages from visiting Poland till they deal with their issues.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 15:16 / #
Sokrates: Brits are not nearly as bad, getting drunk and smashing things up is not as bad as intentionally wrecking the place because its Polish The British are certainly much worse in both Krakow and Warsaw than the Israeli groups. I won't go to Krakow at weekends anymore (too many drunken British dickheads there). Sokrates: Oh come on, young Jews are being told to stick to the group because "Poland is dangerous" they're being intentionally fed fear and hatred to the point they think they'll get murdered if they lag two meters behind. That is complete and utter bollocks. I quite often have a chat with the various groups wandering around my neighbourhood. Sokrates: i'm still of the opinion that we shoud ban those little savages from visiting Poland till they deal with their issues. Alternatively we could just follow your suggestion and murder them all when they are babies. To you all Jews are just "viable targets" anyway.

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09	Edited by: Moderator Apr 17, 09, 15:44 / #
Sokrates: Jews are being told to stick to the group because "Poland is dangerous" they're being intentionally fed fear and hatred to the point they think they'll get murdered if they lag two meters behind. Poland for Poles! Welcome :-)))

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Apr 17, 09, 15:45 / #
In my opinion Socrates sjam and Harry are one and the same preson ... to be honest it doesn't mater what western press think if we play our cards on east.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 15:02 / #
Harry: They might do that if fewer Poles were anti-Semitic. Dude stop the rubbish. Harry: Or would you call using a Jewish tombstone as a door-step respectful? So hundreds of Israeli tours act racist because of a Jewish tombstone? Stop spouting crap, Jews in Israel are anti-Polish, especially younger ones, thats their problems and they live on another hemisphere so i dont care but if they want to come here its their bloody duty to be nice little Israelis or stay the hell out.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Harry Apr 17, 09, 15:02 / #
Sokrates: Before each trip they're told not to approach any Pole since they can be assaulted, That is bollocks. And seeing how I live in the Warsaw ghetto, I may just have more experience with these groups than you. Sokrates: they typically go with guards, often armed, cases of assaulting Polish civilians who even got too close to the trip abound, That bit is entirely true. Sokrates: teachers quite openly comment on how racist and evil are Poles, I didn't know your Hebrew was so good. Sokrates: hotelrooms are demolished to a point that many hotels in Oświęcim and Kraków will no longer accept Israeli trips. It's not exactly 'many' is it? Some I agree will no longer accept those groups but then some hotels will not accept British stag groups. Does that mean we should ban all British from coming to Poland? Sokrates: So hundreds of Israeli tours act racist because of a Jewish tombstone? Stop spouting crap, Jews in Israel are anti-Polish, especially younger ones, thats their problems and they live on another hemisphere so i dont care but if they want to come here its their bloody duty to be nice little Israelis or stay the hell out. Show me Israelis showing such disrespect as using Polish tombstones as door-steps.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 15:27 / #
Harry: Alternatively we could just follow your suggestion and murder them all when they are babies. To you all Jews are just "viable targets" anyway. That might work as a long term solution but for now i'd stick to diplomacy :)))))

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Apr 17, 09, 16:20 / #
miranda: oh, shut it. It was their land too. was? Did I miss something?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 17:20 / #
Ironside: was? Did I miss something? The bits where their property got stolen by the communist government and the bits where the democratically elected government refuse to give it back?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 17:41 / #
Harry: The bits where their property got stolen by the communist government and the bits where the democratically elected government refuse to give it back? What does it have to do with the topic? Thousands of Israeli youths without any connection to Poland come here, act racist and horrible assaulting our citizens and destroying property just because its Polish.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 17:43 / #
Sokrates: What does it have to do with the topic? Thousands of Israeli youths without any connection to Poland come here, act racist and horrible assaulting our citizens and destroying property just because its Polish. If you can't see how refusing to return property to the rightful owners is damaging Polish-Jewish relations, you are too stupid to talk to.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 17:48 / #
Harry: If you can't see how refusing to return property to the rightful owners is damaging Polish-Jewish relations, you are too stupid to talk to. So you're saying that young Jews are racist because we didnt pay them?:)

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07	Apr 17, 09, 17:57 / #
Harry: The bits where their property got stolen by the communist government and the bits where the democratically elected government refuse to give it back? I have been always wondering about this kind of claims. Nearly all of 3 million Polish Jews are claimed to have been exterminated by Germans. About 10,000 are alleged to have survived, of whom most are likely dead now. Who exactly is making those claims? The 3 million dead ones? Regardless, similar practices are not unknown, and are fiercely defended, incidentally by Israelis. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 18:09 / #
z_darius: I have been always wondering about this kind of claims. Nearly all of 3 million Polish Jews are claimed to have been exterminated by Germans. About 10,000 are alleged to have survived, of whom most are likely dead now. Who exactly is making those claims? The 3 million dead ones? Regardless, similar practices are not unknown, and are fiercely defended, incidentally by Israelis. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. This is irrelevant for Harry, that little evil twat uses selective arguments for his dishonest implications that will make Poland look bad (just like Sjam) they're both dipshite racists for whom logic or truth mean nothing and facts are simply tools to insult Poles on this forum and slander Poland bit by bit. Jews who owned property are dead, today Jews demand money simply to get paid, they do not deserve the money they demand and their demands are dishonest, baseless and driven by greed.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Apr 17, 09, 18:11 / #
Does anybody ever question these trips to Poland might be difficult for them psychologically? It seems the idea of going someplace to see a labor camp where so many perished, as a child, would be traumatic. I somewhat agree with others who think it's not such a good idea.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Apr 17, 09, 18:13 / #
HatefulBunch397: Does anybody ever question these trips to Poland might be difficult for them psychologically? It seems the idea of going someplace to see a labor camp where so many perished, as a child, would be traumatic. I somewhat agree with others who think it's not such a good idea. Who is forcing them! It would kill me to be presented and shown as the suffering victim from the day I was born. Day in day out, in school, in the media, movies....always the Holocaust and mostly lotsa killed Jews. In a WWII movie I really prefer to see marching Germans and german weapon tech (Panzers!) to the miserable Jews...maybe it's only me but still...I can't even fathom how the Jews must feel all the time!

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 18:14 / #
HatefulBunch397: Does anybody ever question these trips to Poland might be difficult for them psychologically? It seems the idea of going someplace to see a labor camp where so many perished, as a child, would be traumatic. I somewhat agree with others who think it's not such a good idea. Thats absolutely no excuse for such brutal savage racism as showed by young Jews towards Poland, it has a much deeper reason.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 18:23 / #
z_darius: About 10,000 are alleged to have survived, of whom most are likely dead now. Who exactly is making those claims? The 3 million dead ones? The actual figure was between 180,000 and 240,000 but well done with the attempt at getting an anti-semitic lie in. Have you heard of the concept of inheritance? When you die your property will be divided between your heirs. Polish law is most specific about this (although Polish law will not apply to proud Pole like you). z_darius: Regardless, similar practices are not unknown, and are fiercely defended, incidentally by Israelis. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. After their homes had been stolen by Poles, they needed to steal some replacement homes. Maybe the Palestinians should come to Poland and steal homes here?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 18:34 / #
Harry: The actual figure was between 180,000 and 240,000 but well done with the attempt at getting an anti-semitic lie in. Link please? You filthy little liar? Between 50.000 and 120.000 Jews survived, most of them children without documents, today only a few thousands could have an actuall claim to property, much of it no longer exists so its more like a few hundred legit claims. But nice going on an anti-Polish lie, again. Harry: After their homes had been stolen by Poles, they needed to steal some replacement homes. Maybe the Palestinians should come to Poland and steal homes here? They were dead, their homes empty, no one stole nothing, you are lying since you're an anti-Polish twat.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 17, 09, 18:47 / #
Sokrates: Link please? But of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Jews#Communist_rule:_1945.E2.80.93 89 "Between 40,000 and 100,000 Polish Jews survived the Holocaust in Poland by hiding or by joining the Polish or Soviet partisan units. Another 50,000–170,000 were repatriated from the Soviet Union and 20,000–40,000 from Germany and other countries. At its postwar peak, there were 180,000–240,000 Jews in Poland settled mostly in Warsaw, Łódź, Kraków, Wrocław and Lower Silesia, e.g., Legnica, Dzierżoniów and Bielawa.[103]" [103] = A. Stankowski, Studia z historii Zydow w Polsce po 1945 roku, Warszawa 2000, pp.107-111. Sokrates: You filthy little liar? Between 50.000 and 120.000 Jews survived, most of them children without documents, today only a few thousands could have an actuall claim to property, much of it no longer exists so its more like a few hundred legit claims. Even if you were right (you are not, it is for the state to prove that somebody is not who they say they are) how many of that few hundred have been addressed? Sokrates: They were dead, their homes empty, no one stole nothing, you are lying since you're an anti-Polish twat. No-one stole nothing? For once you are telling the truth.