Vladimir Putin to visit Poland in the fall (inter-Slavic discussions)

Sokrates:

Oy idiot! How about you shut the hell up and stop deciding who's more or less Polish?[quote=Sokrates]

To answer the first part of your question, about shutting the hell up, no. As for the second part, I wasn't deciding who was more or less Polish, fate does that for me, it cares not what I say.

[quote=Sokrates]
If there's anything i cant stand its morons who go "Silesians aint Polish, Kashubs aint Polish"

Sokrates:

go choke on your keyboard before you start ****ting on your own countrymen.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Apr 7, 09, 23:38 / #
look what i got in my recent E-mail update from Warsaw Voice... Vladimir Putin to visit Poland in the fall Warsaw, Poland http://www.warsawvoice.pl/newsX.php/8092/4259018804 The two Prime Ministers spoke on the phone on Wednesday. Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told journalists, “Putin and Tusk agreed that the Prime Minister of Russia will make a visit to Poland in the autumn.” Putin and Tusk discussed a wide range of issues concerning trade and economic cooperation between Russia and Poland, Peskov added. They should finaly speak about Serbians in their discussions. Why would only Britain, Germany and France profit on Balkan in their schemes with Islamic world??? Let Poland and Russia also profits, in their deals with Serbians. Balkan is Slavija, not Eurabia.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 8, 09, 00:05 / #
Tusk has met Putin before but nothing of substance or any note emerged. What do you envisage, Crow? Platitudes and rhetoric with money in pockets or concrete measures designed to cement ties and embrace the bigger picture?

MarcinKThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Apr 8, 09, 04:04 / #
Tusk is a pajac. Tusk is more 'European' than he is Polish, well as Polish as a Kashub can get anyways, and Putin happens to be very Russian. As a result nothing will come of this; one is an agent of the West, the other sends agents there.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Apr 8, 09, 09:42 / #
MarcinK: well as Polish as a Kashub can get anyways Oh, Mein Gott :) Which reminds me of a joke: A teacher asks Ola what her grandfather did during the war. Ola says: he drove a tank and killed many Germans. Very good, says the teacher. And yours, Stasiu? He was a partisan and fought bravely. Great. And yours Donald? Well, I think he was an electrician. Really? Why do you think that, Donald? Little Donnie replies: Because he had two lightning bolts on his helmet.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 8, 09, 09:50 / #
Crow: They should finaly speak about Serbians in their discussions. Good idea, always good to end a meeting on a positive note of agreement. After arguing for hours, at the end of the meeting Putin can say to Tusk "Those Serbians! What a bunch of cnts eh?" to which Tusk can reply "Well they aren't all cnts but most of them are either murdering rapists or apologists for murdering rapists, so I think I can agree that on the whole they are as you say a bunch of c*nts. Anyway, fancy a spot of lunch?"

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Apr 8, 09, 21:16 / #
MarcinK: Tusk is a pajac. Tusk is more 'European' than he is Polish, well as Polish as a Kashub can get anyways, Oy idiot! How about you shut the hell up and stop deciding who's more or less Polish? If there's anything i cant stand its morons who go "Silesians aint Polish, Kashubs aint Polish" go choke on your keyboard before you start shitting on your own countrymen. @Ad topic. I dont believe Russia is capable of human speech just yet but its good there's some dialogue unlike in PiS times.

MarcinKThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Apr 8, 09, 23:50 / #
Sokrates: Oy idiot! How about you shut the hell up and stop deciding who's more or less Polish?[quote=Sokrates] To answer the first part of your question, about shutting the hell up, no. As for the second part, I wasn't deciding who was more or less Polish, fate does that for me, it cares not what I say. [quote=Sokrates] If there's anything i cant stand its morons who go "Silesians aint Polish, Kashubs aint Polish" I can't stand people who jump to conclusions myself. Slązaks, Kashuby, Łemki, Górale and even people from Warsaw are Polish in my opinion. I was merely saying that Donald Tusk, and that's a very Polish first name by the way, has this habit of being a 'European' (notice quotation marks) first, and a Kashub second. That's why I said 'as Polish as a Kashub can get...'. What can a Kashub be other than Polish? Sokrates: go choke on your keyboard before you start **ting on your own countrymen. You don't get sarcasm I'm guessing. No, I ** in a toilet, not on my countrymen. For amongst my fellow countrymen and women, I don't refer to them as Poles, but as Górals, Slązaks, Kashuby and from whatever region they happen to be from. One thing I love to do to Slązaki is call them 'Niemcy', they retort by calling me an 'Ukrainiec'. Problem is, I get it. Sokrates: Oy idiot! Oj wej! As a Jew I know you wouldn't understand.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Apr 8, 09, 23:50 / #
Seanus: Tusk has met Putin before but nothing of substance or any note emerged. What do you envisage, Crow? if there is some strategic point of Europe interesting for both- Poland and Russia, that`s Balkan and situation in that region after dissolution of Yugoslavia what was desired, inspired and initiated by Germany and aranged by Britain, Turkey, France, USA, Israel and Saudi Arabia. I mean, Poland and Russia could open many strategic questions... for example... Baltic, Hungary-Slovakia crisis, Slovenia-Croatia crisis, Ukraine question, NATO expansion, Polish support to Georgia, Polish role in EU, Russia`s role in countries of former Soviet Union, etc, etc... but, importance of Balkan for vital geo-strategic interests of Poland and Russia isn`t comparable with any other question in this very moment. Why, somebody can ask? Simple, down there on Balkan right now Germany and Turkey spliting region among themselves, on their zones of influance and control. Again, somebody can say... so what? Well, you know, Balkan is only region of Europe where both- Poland and Russia invested a lot of and regularely deflected from mutual misunderstandings in case with their crucial interests in the region. There was some consensus among Poles and Russians and Serbians were guaranty to them. Serbs were that factor which guaranteed safety of Polish and Russian interests in the region and what is of even greater importance Serbs guaranteed balance between Polish-Russian interests. What i want to tell you, Serbians are in serious retreat in the region. They are attacked as pollitical and militarely factor, their biological potential is endangered, Serbian lands are poluted with deepleated uranium, foreign powers (NATO on the first place) dirrectly spread Islam on Serbian property, German-Tukish-Saudi Arabian satelites (Croatia, Albania, Muslim Bosnia) strenghtening on the account of Serbians, Serbian Kosovo is safe heaven for global drug smugglers, Serbs are target for organ harvesting, sex traficking and white slavery. Preparation for all this evil against us was powerfull propaganda campaign against Serbs initiated from our foes. and, our old foes are mortal enemies of Slavija, enemies of both- Poland and Russia.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 8, 09, 23:57 / #
Clinton started this nonsense. NATO took it to far, using mujas is unbelievably wrong. The answer appears to be simple, Crow, but why didn't Russia take a greater stand in defending Kosovo? Putin was rather inept and Tusk was a traitor.

MarcinKThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Apr 9, 09, 00:05 / #
Seanus: Tusk was a traitor. Tusk still is a traitor. It's a zwycaj with that guy.

Wahldo	Apr 9, 09, 00:27 / #
Seanus: Puppet or not, Clinton was in power Ahh, the British dragged the US into that. You may want to look into the mirror before you flap your gums on here.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Apr 9, 09, 00:32 / #
I don't defend British politics or politicians, Wahldo. That much should be clear by now. Some of the worst low-life scum comes from there. Gordon Brown, the great Scottish PM who doesn't care one iota for his country of birth. Chump! Where's the proof that Britain did that btw? Then your dad should know the pressure that people operated under during communism. I guess you are Polish so please answer me this. Why wasn't communism taken out before? There were major student revolts as early as 1969. Why did it take 20 more years to finally oust it?

Wahldo	Edited by: Wahldo Apr 9, 09, 00:36 / #
Seanus: Where's the proof that Britain did that btw? I can remember Blair coming over here and plugging it. I'll look for your "official" proof. Standard Limey stuff, coming over here and begging for help. Yeah you are kind of remiss in pointing out to Crow, your people were shelling his with tomahawks from your destroyers, battleships.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 666 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Edited by: niejestemcapita Apr 9, 09, 01:09 / #
Seanus: They foster this idea that the people somehow agree with the policies of their government. Exactly Seanus..if I argue with or dislike anybody here its not on the basis of their nationality, its because IMHO they are tossers/saying silly things. Referring to WE or YOU meaning "the British.Polish.American government is lazy and sloppy...we learnt that in high school history lessons. What pisses me off the most is some American/Irish type saying to me..."OH you guys hate the Irish , right?" Very simple. Hell why cant they just be "americans"

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 9, 09, 00:07 / #
The guy pretends to be a super patriot but he doesn't really show it.

MarcinKThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Apr 9, 09, 00:09 / #
Seanus: The guy pretends to be a super patriot but he doesn't really show it. Tell that to sokrates.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 9, 09, 00:11 / #
The man is insignificant. OK, Jarosław Kaczyński was sometimes in the news for the wrong reasons but at least he was in the news.

MarcinKThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Apr 9, 09, 00:13 / #
Seanus: Jarosław Kaczyński was sometimes in the news for the wrong reasons but at least he was in the news. I wouldn't put much faith, and by much faith I mean none, in the Kaczynski's and PiS. My father remembers them from his Solidarity days and tells me their just as good as Tusk and PO.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 9, 09, 00:17 / #
They were muck rakers, trying to blacken the good name of Lech Wałęsa. Tusk and Putin, what have they done for the Slavic community?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Apr 9, 09, 00:20 / #
Seanus: Clinton started this nonsense. you are joking. you can`t be serious. Clinton is puppet Seanus: NATO took it to far NATO was tool to secure German, British, Turkish, Franch, USA, Israely and Saudi Arabian interests in the rigion Poland? Poland is simple greately humiliated and manipulated. On Balkan, in last 20 years Poland attacking Poland. Seanus: using mujas is unbelievably wrong `wrong` you said? its not the word. word is `cruelty` sending more then 10.000 mujaheedine veteran fighters in the region against Serbians was part of genocidal and diabolical plan against us. It was cruelty dirrected against last defenders of Slavija in the region. With such and same cruelty, THEY would sent mujas against Polish and Russian children. Serbs would speak to warn their Slavic sisters and brothers so that Poles and Russians know Seanus: The answer appears to be simple, Crow, yes its just another `drang nach osten` Seanus: but why didn't Russia take a greater stand in defending Kosovo? Russia can`t do it alone, its obvious now. more and more i contemplate on situation, i believe that Russia (bealive it or not)- wait for Poland and Ukraine,... to combaine efforts with them to deal with danger which threatening all of those Slavic countries. that danger is obvious. It easely can happen that with destruction of Serbians, Balkan could be lost for Slavija. With destruction of Serbians, Poland and Russia also lossing their maybe last mutual emotional connection and point of balance, source of moral strenght. Seanus: Putin was rather inept Putin failed as politician on Kosovo question Seanus: and Tusk was a traitor. true Kosovo question exposed Tusk as dangerous figure for vital Polish national interests

MarcinKThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Apr 9, 09, 00:25 / #
Seanus: They were muck rakers, trying to blacken the good name of Lech Wałęsa. Lech Wałęsa could have darkened his name all by himself, he didn't need muckrakers, and that's not what I would call the Kaczynski's. By the way, Wałęsa is no hero, 'murzyn zrobil swoje', I always say about the man. As for Tusk, he hasn't done anything and I would expect as much in the future. As for Putin, no one knows, the man is classic KGB, that's why I know he has something in his sleeve. I think he's just being patient.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Apr 9, 09, 00:25 / #
Puppet or not, Clinton was in power. Yes, those behind the scenes decided Serbia's fate but still.... NATO had no right deciding on Kosovo. There was some slight justification for bombing Belgrade due to the cantankerous nature of Slobo. He was a recalcitrant fiend at times but had a sound enough vision. Russia should have taken a stand at least. They did when America upped the rhetoric against Iran. Maybe Serbia in the EU would help, Crow? Poland would be obliged as a NATO member to help you. Putin has nothing up his sleeve but bogies. Wałęsa has cleared his name 7 times in court. How can you slander him in such a way? Do you have the documents of his guilt?

MarcinKThreads: - Posts: 56 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Apr 9, 09, 00:30 / #
Seanus: Putin has nothing up his sleeve but bogies. That's the very same thing I think he has in those sleeves, that's why he's not pulling them out, not a hand that could win, which means he's got nothing. That's why he's being patient. Seanus: Wałęsa has cleared his name 7 times in court. And he only needed to burn his documents once. Seanus: How can you slander him in such a way? My father knew the man, and the people he was with and the people he brought into solidarity and what resulted. Seanus: Do you have the documents of his guilt? Like I said, he only had to burn them once.

Wahldo	Edited by: Wahldo Apr 9, 09, 01:10 / #
Seanus: My people? Do you really think that Scotland would have attacked Serbia? Quit being a stupid f*ck, man.. Everytime you bring up the Balkans it's US this and Clinton that.. Yeah YOUR PEOPLE..YOU ARE WESTMINSTER the British showered the Serbs with tomahawks missiles. Be a man for once.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 9, 09, 01:12 / #
True, I really don't look at race, colour or creed. There are some English people, whom I'm supposed to dislike by association, that will always be more likeable than many Scots I've encountered. Anyway, Putin needs to give Tusk a good shake. The man is as insipid as it gets.

svengoolaThreads: - Posts: 84 Joined: Jan 14, 07	Apr 9, 09, 08:23 / #
Seanus: True, I really don't look at race, colour or creed. What, you color blind, honey? :)

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Apr 9, 09, 08:52 / #
Tusk is right. It is better to trade off this missle shield on lower price than americans are asking for from Russians. It is better to earn something than let Obama earn something in negotiations with Russians and be left without annything. Slava

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Apr 9, 09, 09:17 / #
1jola: A teacher asks Ola what her grandfather did during the war. Ola says: he drove a tank and killed many Germans. Very good, says the teacher. And yours, Stasiu? He was a partisan and fought bravely. Great. And yours Donald? Well, I think he was an electrician. Really? Why do you think that, Donald? Little Donnie replies: Because he had two lightning bolts on his helmet. Nice :))) Crow I wouldn't cherish any hopes concerning the upcoming discussion.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Apr 9, 09, 12:45 / #
In a democracy, I have the freedom to oppose my government. Sorry, I don't do guilty by association Wally. I bet you don't even know that Scotland has its own Parliament, do you Wally? We've had one for 10 years now. Wally, I know full well that you think Iraq was a stuff-up but do I go blaming you personally for that? Most things are beyond our control, deal with that reality! Goolies, I ain't your honey punchy, so best back off!

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Edited by: lesser Apr 10, 09, 21:26 / #
Sokrates: Oy idiot! How about you shut the hell up and stop deciding who's more or less Polish? If there's anything i cant stand its morons who go "Silesians aint Polish, Kashubs aint Polish" go choke on your keyboard before you start shitting on your own countrymen. I agree, criticism is very appropriate but not on the collective basis. Even if Kashubians would not consider themselves to be Polish (what is widely not true) this doesn't means that they are "bad" as Marcin unwisely suggest. Sokrates: I dont believe Russia is capable of human speech just yet but its good there's some dialogue unlike in PiS times. While Polish parliament this is great example of civilized and important debate! MarcinK: Slązaks, Kashuby, Łemki, Górale and even people from Warsaw are Polish in my opinion. I was merely saying that Donald Tusk, and that's a very Polish first name by the way, has this habit of being a 'European' (notice quotation marks) first, and a Kashub second. I'm glad that you withdrawn your comment even if you don't admit it openly. While Tusk is a Kashubian by the name only if you are not aware. This is interesting that he heavily lost presidential race to Kaczynki in Kasbubian lands. Seanus: The guy pretends to be a super patriot but he doesn't really show it. This comment perfectly fits to describe nearly every mainstream politician, especially Kaczynski twins. They play patriotic tune much more intensively than Tusk. Seanus: They were muck rakers, trying to blacken the good name of Lech Wałęsa. Walesa blackened his good name better than anybody else. It is absolutely enough if he open his mouth in public! Seanus: Wałęsa has cleared his name 7 times in court. How can you slander him in such a way? Do you have the documents of his guilt? I don't belong to people who overestimate his influence on Polish affairs, neither positive or negative. In my opinion he is just a fool and such people rather don't decide about fate of states. Salomon: Tusk is right. It is better to trade off this missle shield on lower price than americans are asking for from Russians. It was good opportunity to secretly ask Russian government about their counter-proposal. I mean, what they offer if Polish state reject American missiles. Just business. Seanus: NATO had no right deciding on Kosovo. World is still ruled by the jungle rights, stronger decide. Seanus: In a democracy, I have the freedom to oppose my government. Sorry, I don't do guilty by association Wally. It has nothing to do with democracy. I personally don't identify with any government which run Polish lands in recent history.