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WAŁĘSA TO AGITATE FOR LISBON IN EIRE



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Wałęsa is going to Ireland to agitate for the Lisbon Treaty which drastically slashes Poland's voting power in the EU. How do you think the vote will go? How do you think the vote should go?

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80271,7030293,Walesa_jedzie_d o_Irlandii_wspierac_Traktat.html
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Drastically slashes Poland's voting power? How so? They (the Irish) have been given sweeteners with Protocols attached but I feel that the reasons they voted no in the first place still remain. Expect another no vote.
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The Nice Treaty now in force giver Poladn 27 votes as compared with 29 for Germany, hence it is very advantageous to Poles. Probably it was constrcuted that way to lure Poland into ther EU. The Lisbon Treaty mroe closely reflects population, hence Poland has far fewer votes than Germany.
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It was a nice treaty indeed :) What's wrong with the population yardstick?
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Polonius3:
to lure Poland into ther EU

To lure Poland into the EU? You make it sound like PL didn't want to join, but that the EU forced her to do so. As far as I know, nobody forced her to join, she was very keen to join in the first place and we all know the reason why. Her good right, let that be understood, but you shouldn't imply that Poland is in the EU against her will. The EU has brought many advantages for Poland.

M-G (is in favor of the Lisbon treaty, but thinks the Irish indeed will vote NO again)
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MareGaea:
You make it sound like PL didn't want to join, but that the EU forced her to do so.

Poles werent initially all that pro European and yes we were forced to join (that is not to say we didnt want in but we werent all whoop about it as well).
MareGaea:
The EU has brought many advantages for Poland.

Absolutely and i would be OK with the Lisbon treaty but Germany France and UK have proven that they (as historically) do not understand Russia so we need to hog more power so we can stop the West from f*cking up again and we'd be the first ones to feel the results too.
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Sokrates:
yes we were forced to join

Is that a joke? By whom? Maybe by your own people.

Sokrates:
so we need to hog more power

Poland has far too many votes considering how many citizens the country has and how weak its economy still is.
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Seanus:
Expect another no vote.

As Leo Varadkar(TD) of Fine Gael said, "its all about immigration, it is the elephant in the room".

The Irish voters wont take kindly to a Pole interfering in Irish affairs. Butt out, Lech.

PS There is no such country as Eire. It is known as the Repbublic of Ireland. Ireland for short.
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Especially if he is there for personal reasons or on behalf of Poland. Leave voting alone. You see what happened in Afghanistan and Iran, unwanted outside involvement.
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Seanus:
Especially if he is there for personal reasons or on behalf of Poland.

It will be a no vote. The Lisbon Treaty is dead.
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It would certainly seem that way.
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Seanus:
It would certainly seem that way.

Its all about immigration now. The Yes side have been nailed on the Turkish issue!

No to Lisbon. No to Mass Immigration.
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They brought it on themselves. I wonder what huffing and hissyfits will happen.
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Yes those poor Irish - nothing but trouble they got from the EU. They were doing so well on their own and every since they joined the EU, it has gone downhill for them.

Edit: BUT in a way I have to agree with RN as well: the enormous flood of luckseekers from especially Poland has been outright ridiculous. I have nothing against them coming, but it does look weird that thousands enter in one week. And it also looks weird that it started literally the day they joined the EU. In a way I can understand his fear - it is frightening, but it's just a matter of getting used to. We had centuries time to get used to it, they had only 5 years so far.

M-G (fears RN's wrath)
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TheOther:
Is that a joke? By whom? Maybe by your own people.

By the economic reality of the situation.
TheOther:
Poland has far too many votes considering how many citizens the country has and how weak its economy still is.

Poland has far too few votes considering its crucial position among the Eastern European states and the fact that it appears to be the only EU state grasping the true niuances of Russias politics.
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Sokrates:
By the economic reality of the situation

Poland was broke and needed money, right... :)

Poland has far too few votes considering its crucial position among the Eastern European states and the fact that it appears to be the only EU state grasping the true niuances of Russias politics

Well, let's change the name European Union into "Polish Union" then. I'm astonished BTW that you call Poland an eastern European country. I thought that's a no-no.
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TheOther:
Well, let's change the name European Union into "Polish Union" then. I'm astonished BTW that you call Poland an eastern European country. I thought that's a no-no.

My (Polish) ex was convinced she was actually from the West. *Grin*

M-G (good night)
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MareGaea:
from the West

West Siberia, that is... <vbg>
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TheOther:
Poland was broke and needed money, right... :)

Wrong but like i said you're here to spread the word so knock yourself out, i'm not on a mission to shoot down every troll or idiot who posts, freedom of speech and all that.
TheOther:
Well, let's change the name European Union into "Polish Union" then. I'm astonished BTW that you call Poland an eastern European country. I thought that's a no-no.

Geographically we're a central country but geopolitically we're an Eastern one, the rest of your argument was? Oh right you had none, cretin.
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