Nazism is rising in Germany again!

Quoting: blackadder

Quoting: Crow
Before false west, we were atacked by the Greeks, Romans, Teutons, Huns, Avars, Tatars, Mongols, Turks, Austro-Hungaria, Nazi Germany, Nazi Hungaria, Nazi puppet state- Greater Croatia, Communist Soviet Union, Albania and, we resisted and survived. We lost many battles but, we used to win in wars.

with so many friends,you sure have a hell of a tea party.
maybe you are problem?

i bet long winter nights just fly-by to you crow,when you think what lie you will present to world next...
you will rot in your hate.i don't care,i got everything,i'm better than you.got other things to attend to.girls,party,love...
i drive bmw,you have your hate...so enjoy!

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Jul 30, 07, 02:56 / #
blackadder Classical example of anti-Serbian propaganda and, nasty attempt to present Serbs as Nazis. What are your sources for this BS? Instead to post rubbish, I call you to answer on one simple question. Qestion that you always trying to avoid- Tell to Poles what happened to Catholic Serbs (then, to Orthodox Serbs) in todays Bosnia, Herzegovina, Dalmatia, Slavonia... tell to Poles about alliance between mujaheedines and croatian ustashe...

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Jul 30, 07, 06:19 / #
Crow, please answer my question on Kosovo. Isn't it more efficient for Serbs to admit the independence of a part of Kosovo?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Jul 30, 07, 14:24 / #
Quoting: truhlei Crow, please answer my question on Kosovo. Isn't it more efficient for Serbs to admit the independence of a part of Kosovo? Sorry man, for you need to wait for my answers so long but these days I’m very busy. I apologies to others too with whom I communicate hire. In case with your comment on partition of Kosovo, I must say that I am against it, for several reasons. First, we speak about two regions. Kosovo and Metohija- that’s the full name of Serbian Southern province. Then,... it is Albanians who need to learn to live in tolerance, Serbs are OK- especially if we consider extraordinary pressure on Serbs in last 15 years. Albanian extreme Islamic approach and their necessity to resist to existence of Christian state in the region (in last 100 years- since Turks were expelled out of K&M). ...K&M together with Raska (read Ras/Rashka, BDW region from where Racowie came to Poland - when our brothers needed them because of Teutonic pressure) are centers of Serbian spirituality/our unique way of St. Savas Orthodoxy and statehood. Loss of any of these regions would affect fundaments of Serbian national being (which is already seriously wounded) with permanent consequences for stability of the region on the long run. ...K&M is legally part of Serbia and if Serbia doesn’t give up from Kosovo, there is no chance that anybody takes that territory from us, legally (!). …K&M are regions full with great amount of rare and very expensive natural resources, including: uranium, gold, silver, Cu, Al, Fe, coal, etc. Any serious state would by all possible means defend such enormous reserves of valuable resources of great economic importance. ...before Turks- Albanians practically didn’t even exist on Kosovo. They came with Turkish occupation and Serbs allowed them to stay after Serbs liberate from Turks. But, ethic balance between Serbs and Albanians was destroyed (on the behalf of Albanians) in WWII, when Albanians together with Italian occupational forces pushed many Serbs out of K&M and many more of them was settled on K&M from Albania. Also, many Albanians came illegally from Albania during communist dictature in Albania/Yugoslavia. Standard of living in Yugoslavia/Serbia was much batter then in Albania and it was given shelter to many Albanians. Majority of them never didn’t become Serbian citizens. No matter Serbian hospitality, majority of those new-coming Albanians was hostile and started violantly and with criminal actions to push Serbs out of K&M. Authorities of socialist Yugoslavia had many probolems with them but, never were capable to deal with problem. I must also say that almost 500.000 Albanians (citizens of Albanian state which never before lived on K&M or anywhere in Serbia) came illegaly from Albania after NATO occupation of Serbian Suthern province- Kosovo & Metohija. In the same time, Serbs were ethnicaly cleansed from K&M (same as from Dalmatia, Slavonia, Krajina, Baranja- already before). So, I would support that Serbian citizens of Albanian ethnicity stay in Serbia/K&M with all posible rights- same as all K&M/Serbian citizens (no more no less) and that they learn to live side by side with Serbs/other ethnic groups. To those Albanians which aren`t Serbian citizens I would suggest that they return to Albania, especialy to those who rebelled against Serbian state.

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Jul 30, 07, 14:53 / #
But isn't it in the interests of Serbs to concentrate in a monoethnic territory? Don't you realize that EU will recognize K&M independence despite the desire of Serbs without any compensation? As to historic past, it sholdn't be a thereat to historic future. Are people who think so among Serbs?

adilskiThreads: 6 Posts: 136 Joined: May 19, 07	Jul 30, 07, 15:00 / #
actually its startin here in london... whose to blame forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?p=384196

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Jul 30, 07, 15:19 / #
Quoting: truhlei But isn't it in the interests of Serbs to concentrate in a monoethnic territory? Truhlei, Balkan Serbs are already very (very!) concentrated- if you understand me. As ethnic element and as a nation we were pushed from Dalmatia, Slavonia, Baranja, Krajna (all in today’s Greater Croatia), great deal of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Malesia (on the North of Albania), regions on the South of today’s Hungary (from St. Andeas town region to the Szeged city region). Serbs were victims of valiant/brutal assimilation (and ethnical cleansing) in all those regions and, division of Christianity was regularly used as a tool against Serbs who were split between Orthodox and Catholic Church from the beginning of Christian division. Later, some Serbs were even Islamized and that complicated our situation even more. So, I belong to that part of Serbian intelligentsia (as if?) who suggest resistance to attempts which goes in direction of further Serbian national destruction. Quoting: truhlei As to historic past, it sholdn't be a thereat to historic future. Are people who think so among Serbs? Yes, there are Serbian politicians (rarely Serbs, mostly non-Serbs) who support that `historic agreement` but, they doesn`t have support in majority of population. Rights of Serbs are already violently endangered from powers of false west that Serbs now understand that those powers just want to destroy Serbs as ethnic and political factor. So, majority of Serbs (from all social classes) would tell you- no more retreat! Quoting: truhlei Don't you realize that EU will recognize K&M independence despite the desire of Serbs without any compensation? Before false west, we were atacked by the Greeks, Romans, Teutons, Huns, Avars, Tatars, Mongols, Turks, Austro-Hungaria, Nazi Germany, Nazi Hungaria, Nazi puppet state- Greater Croatia, Communist Soviet Union, Albania and, we resisted and survived. We lost many battles but, we used to win in wars. So, they could occupy our territory but, that would announce THEIR inevitable downfall. Attack on Serbs was always on the long run disaster for anti-Slavs because attack on us always exposed THEM in front of other Slavs and, Slavs soon or later concentrated arround Serbia (supported us). Yes, we would endure long enough. Once more Resistance!

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Aug 1, 07, 14:10 / #
Quoting: Crow Before false west, we were atacked by the Greeks, Romans, Teutons, Huns, Avars, Tatars, Mongols, Turks, Austro-Hungaria, Nazi Germany, Nazi Hungaria, Nazi puppet state- Greater Croatia, Communist Soviet Union, Albania and, we resisted and survived. We lost many battles but, we used to win in wars. with so many friends,you sure have a hell of a tea party. maybe you are problem? i bet long winter nights just fly-by to you crow,when you think what lie you will present to world next... you will rot in your hate.i don't care,i got everything,i'm better than you.got other things to attend to.girls,party,love... i drive bmw,you have your hate...so enjoy!

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Aug 1, 07, 14:58 / #
Quoting: blackadder Quoting: Crow Before false west, we were atacked by the Greeks, Romans, Teutons, Huns, Avars, Tatars, Mongols, Turks, Austro-Hungaria, Nazi Germany, Nazi Hungaria, Nazi puppet state- Greater Croatia, Communist Soviet Union, Albania and, we resisted and survived. We lost many battles but, we used to win in wars. with so many friends,you sure have a hell of a tea party. maybe you are problem? i bet long winter nights just fly-by to you crow,when you think what lie you will present to world next... you will rot in your hate.i don't care,i got everything,i'm better than you.got other things to attend to.girls,party,love... i drive bmw,you have your hate...so enjoy! BLA BLA

blackadderThreads: 4 Posts: 403 Joined: Jun 28, 07	Aug 1, 07, 16:14 / #
all you can say is that?

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Aug 1, 07, 16:17 / #
Quoting: Crow Truhlei, Balkan Serbs are already very (very!) concentrated- if you understand me. In Kosovo no. In Kosovo you compose 10%. Albanians will poison your life. Cut this region away.

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Aug 1, 07, 16:20 / #
Crow what is the legal procedure for change of Serbian borders? According to Serb Legislation. Half of Parlamentarians? 2/3 of them? 3/4. Or referendum is required? Can you tell us the facts?

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Aug 1, 07, 17:03 / #
Quoting: Crow Poles, Ukrainians, Slovaks... would get shalter from Serbs but, Germans and Britons will stay with their mujaheedin allays and... ooops, somebody would lost his head and would become mujaheedine trophy. Doesn't that signify that more concentration is required? Those who have much land with hostil population spend their resources on monkey business. No profits no progress. Only controle over enemies. Those who live in a friendli territory have good prospects and more strong. If necessary they can defend their states using less power. Each physical objest whet it becomes greater turnes to be amorthy. And by becoming smaller turnes to be resistent. The same thing occures with Nations. You told 50% of Serbs for Kosovo separation is smth. unreal for today/ Do you have exact dates of public opinion research? What is the percentage for today? How is it distributed among Serbs: the youth, elder generations, among rural and urban population?

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,898 Joined: Nov 10, 06	Aug 1, 07, 17:11 / #
Quoting: truhlei truhlei I watched a programme on real easte yesterday, it was about Russia and it was concentrated in a certain area in Russia, it also said that the divide between wealth is so different now and more so than it has been in over 20 years, meaning the poor are getting poorer and the richer are getting richer and the divide is getting bigger, is this apparent in Russia?

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Aug 1, 07, 17:53 / #
Quoting: Amathyst I watched a programme on real easte yesterday, it was about Russia and it was concentrated in a certain area in Russia, it also said that the divide between wealth is so different now and more so than it has been in over 20 years, meaning the poor are getting poorer and the richer are getting richer and the divide is getting bigger, is this apparent in Russia? Lumpens are getting poorer. Those who depend upon drug and alcohol. That's the truth. During socialism society had to take care of them and they had to work (imagine the quality of this work!). Now foreign reporters show them but without any comments on the reasons they are poor. As to people who are passive but work and don't depend upon drugs and alcohol, they became some 2 times reacher in 5 years only and this progress is the main reason why some 70% support authorities. As to people who are active, who can change work, place of residence, who work hard, they are usually quite rich. Something like Brasil. But there are some dangers. 1. A great percentage of public servants and those who depend upon state budget. Some 23%. More only in Holland and Norway. But if we take into account a closed budget dependence (for rural zones), Russia will occupy the first place. 2. A weak middle class. Weak not by percentage but by force. No irregular forces, no public militia. That is the main reason why totalitarism is still possible. Army, secret police and law-inforcement bodies are a real praetorian danger and authorities have to satisfy them because without militia middle class is unable to support them. Middle class doesn't even have an idea he has do get ready to support Supreme power and President because communist epoch didn't give people that idea and western advicers also told in 90 that middli class should only work and pay taxes and armed people are its servants (or even slaves) who shouldn't use their superiority in organization and arms against Nation and must only defend people. Imagine smth in UK in 18-19 century... To what could it lead without British militia and special constabulary. 3. Russia is still a social state that recognizes the need to distribute profits between everybody. I.e. gained by those who worked hard between passive people and even lumpens. When such donations reduce those downstairs bacome to protest and if supported by some praetorians can make a real revolution. Nobody cam give any explanation to such people that time is less favourable. The admit only donation, not arguments. Middle classers may have more common sense but they aren' tought to controle public. 4. Low cost dissapeared all over the world. No Minis by Issigonis at 500 pounds in 1959 (average salary of some 150-200 pounds). No Levittowns with cottages at USD 7000 in 1950 (average family salary of some 300 dollars). Even a 100 dollars laptop by Nicolas Negroponte isn't widely supported in today initial stage. That is a great challenge for the majority of Nations who can gain today as Americans and Englishmen some 50 years ago but no low cost articles exist today. But it seems to me sometimes that Western people also require low cost in houses and cars. To pay less, work less and spend more time with their families. That is in brief today Russian situation. As I see it. Satisfactory living standarts. Averege salary of 500 dollars (In EU member Bolgaria only 180) but much depends upon gas prices and internal social organization is still insatisfactory. As well as the lack of low cost but this is a global problem (the time each Nation created its own cheap car are in the past - only common research is possible now). The only thing I'm sure, only a new generation (i think it will come in some years) of western politicians will be able to find good advices to Russia and establish mutually good relations. Russian oppisition supported now by the West is crazy

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Aug 1, 07, 16:32 / #
Quoting: Crow Rights of Serbs are already violently endangered from powers of false west that Serbs now understand that those powers just want to destroy Serbs as ethnic and political factor. So, majority of Serbs (from all social classes) would tell you- no more retreat! Isn't it a destruction of Serbs to hold Kosovo in Serbian hands? Isn't it better to live together without Albanians. How can Serbs become stronger holding Kosovo? What ethnic and political factor can exist in Serbia that doesn't have state irregulars, leading class of some 15% of population and complete controle of this leading class over the state and all residents? You don't have a good internal structure and you at the same time want to hold a larger territory that is less controlled. Russia lost many territories of 19 century and for me that is a great progress for Russia. Austria is better within its today border than it was in 19 century.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Edited by: Crow Aug 1, 07, 16:47 / #
Quoting: truhlei Crow what is the legal procedure for change of Serbian borders? According to Serb Legislation. Half of Parlamentarians? 2/3 of them? 3/4. Or referendum is required? Can you tell us the facts? Kosovo and Metohija are in Serbian constitution. So, Constitutional act must be changed and for that you need referendum (majority 50% and +). To convince majority of Serbs that they give up from K&M one would need propaganda campaign of at least 30-50 years, to hold Serbia in isolation, economic embargo for about 20-30 years, to force another million Serbs on immigration and to kill at least million Serbs. I would say mission impossible, .... especially if you are aware that Albanians can’t wait that long. They would lose their mind and start to hunt NATO soldiers on Kosovo very soon. Yes, one evening NATO soldiers would go to sleep surrounded with friendly Albanians and in the morning they would wake up encircled with sadistic mujaheedines. That would be party. Poles, Ukrainians, Slovaks... would get shalter from Serbs but, Germans and Britons will stay with their mujaheedin allays and... ooops, somebody would lost his head and would become mujaheedine trophy. Quoting: truhlei Quoting: Crow Truhlei, Balkan Serbs are already very (very!) concentrated- if you understand me. In Kosovo no. In Kosovo you compose 10%. Albanians will poison your life. Cut this region away. Brate, what happened with multiculturalism? Quoting: blackadder all you can say is that? ŠLJIVOVICA, ĆEVAPČIĆ, AJVAR, GIBANICA, PALENTA, PRSTACI, SARMA

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Aug 1, 07, 17:05 / #
Quoting: Crow Brate, what happened with multiculturalism? I think the West will pardon you the lack of multiculturalism if you let Kosovo go.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,192 Joined: Feb 14, 07	Aug 1, 07, 18:23 / #
Quoting: truhlei Quoting: Crow Brate, what happened with multiculturalism? I think the West will pardon you the lack of multiculturalism if you let Kosovo go. That`s the good one

truhleiThreads: 14 Posts: 612 Joined: Jul 15, 07	Aug 1, 07, 19:10 / #
Quoting: Crow That`s the good one Let Albanians go. You have a better future.

PolishXBarbieThreads: 3 Posts: 64 Joined: Jun 1, 07	Aug 2, 07, 02:24 / #
they had a ralley in my town a few months ago.....so did the kkk....there trying to get more people....I think its bull s that they allow those king of public ralleys.....but its usa.....cant stop them from freedom of speech

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Aug 2, 07, 02:27 / #
Quoting: PolishXBarbie I think its bull s that they allow those king of public ralleys.....but its usa.....cant stop them from freedom of speech I feel the same way about UK allowing BNP to have candidates in the elections, some places have BNP councellors

Justyna69	Aug 2, 07, 02:29 / #
Quoting: shopgirl This thread needs to float to the bottom of the forum, like a sunken ship, and be left there for coral. absolutely right.

ace	Feb 2, 09, 13:40 / #
my ancestors come from all over the world even germany and idont think its fair for you to critize all germans