Why are 250,000 Brits leaving the UK every year?

Seanus:

Mister H, I like ur various commentaries but how would u govern any better? People rant and rave about how the government is run yet they proffer nothing more productive.

Ur views please. I'm sure there are plenty who will do a feasibility study to blow open holes in ur arguments.

It's not as easy as u think. Reading political theory books most definitely ain't the real thing.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Aug 19, 08, 17:51 / #
Mister H, I like ur various commentaries but how would u govern any better? People rant and rave about how the government is run yet they proffer nothing more productive. Ur views please. I'm sure there are plenty who will do a feasibility study to blow open holes in ur arguments. It's not as easy as u think. Reading political theory books most definitely ain't the real thing.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Edited by: Mister H Aug 19, 08, 17:58 / #
Zgubiony: Aren't they going to Spain buying up property? I hear some Spanish say there's a similar disliking for the British as there is with the PL in the UK. True? It would make sense that they are disliked if they are all bacon and eggs eating, loud mouthed, drunk most nights of the week, overweight Sun readers, that only went in the first place for some decent weather. Some are like that and some aren't just like not all Polish people come here for easy money and a decent screw of the benefit system. It's the bad people who take the mick in any situation that get remembered.

JaeTheProducerThreads: 4 Posts: 44 Joined: Aug 17, 08	Aug 19, 08, 20:02 / #
Weather is the biggest reason. Although personally, i like the rain. Rather be wet than have a sweaty arse crack. Immigration is another reason. I Mean for old folks, its a terrible thing - they see it as they fought in the war for Britain, worked hard, and see it as they done all that for foreigners who can hardly speak the language to enjoy. Plus other countries have much cheaper houses. For £200,000 you can get a nice little villa in Spain, in London you can get a tiny 1 bedroom flat in a **** area if you're lucky.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08	Aug 20, 08, 08:39 / #
Mister H: A Government voted for by the public. Britain as been going down the pan for years and it has been allowed to do so by successive Governments, both Labour and Tory. We should have been more fussy about the people we allowed to run the country. We got the Government we deserved. We didn't vote this government in for this. We voted for a government that promised a brighter future for Britain. We voted for a government that promised to turn the NHS around. We voted for a government that promised us a referendum on the EU treaty. What we have got in power is the total opposite. We voted in Labour based on their lies.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Aug 20, 08, 10:28 / #
JustysiaS: to make room for more immigrants ;) To make extra room for you, then?

JustysiaSThreads: 15 Posts: 2,869 Joined: Oct 14, 07 MEMBER	Aug 20, 08, 12:26 / #
Michal: To make extra room for you, then? yes please, and make it rent-free. thanks!

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Aug 20, 08, 14:57 / #
JustysiaS: d make it rent-free. thanks! That is what all the Poles want!!

Lir	Aug 20, 08, 14:59 / #
Michal: That is what all the Poles want!! Think that's what any tenant would want <regardless of nationality> you know of anyone who actually likes paying rent Michal ? :)

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Edited by: Mister H Aug 21, 08, 17:34 / #
Seanus: Mister H, I like ur various commentaries but how would u govern any better? People rant and rave about how the government is run yet they proffer nothing more productive. Ur views please. I'm sure there are plenty who will do a feasibility study to blow open holes in ur arguments. It's not as easy as u think. Reading political theory books most definitely ain't the real thing. I agree that it can't be easy to run a country and I would think that some of the difficulty comes from there being so many things falling to bits, that no one really knows where to start. We need some commonsense and logic to be applied to the situation and force people to face their responsibilities. If people want to have large families, there should only be benefits for the first two children and after that you're on your own. Council housing shouldn't be seen as a right if people have kids they can't support. Similarly, people should be encouraged to see council housing as short-term, rather than long-term. People should also be encouraged off benefits and give them their dignity back and have them standing on their own two feet. I don't think the Government can be bothered with many people and it suits them to leave them on benefits. I know of people that have never and probably will never work. Allocating housing shouldn't create ghettos and under-classes. Don't put all the muslims together etc. Tougher, longer jail terms and build more prisons. Make prison a place no one should ever want to go back too. Stop seeing the law-abiding as an easy pinch and chasing them for overflowing rubbish bins and the like. Chase the real trouble-makers and sort them out. A limit to the number of immigrants from all countries (EU and beyond) and those who do come here don't get benefits/NHS/social housing or anything similar until they have been here at least five years. Reasons to move to another country shouldn't include the welfare system. Benefit such as child benefit should only be paid if the child lives here too and shouldn't be payable straight away Those on the dole can repair the roads. People who come here to work should be able to prove that they have a job lined up and means of financial support before they are allowed into the country. Employers should pay decent money and offer jobs to those who were born here (regardless of their ethnic background) first and not see foreign labour as a cheap alternative. They shouldn't employ those who cannot communicate in English to a reasonable level. Those wanting British citizenship should only be given a passport if they can speak English fluently. Tolerance is fine and people should be able to follow their own religion, but not at the expense of someone else's. I know it's hardly a manifesto, but we need some radical thinking.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 25, 09, 23:50 / #
So where are we now, Mister H? Any significant changes?

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Jun 26, 09, 00:26 / #
Seanus: So where are we now, Mister H? Any significant changes? Not as far as I can tell, no. I would have thought that the BNP having some success in the Euro / local elections last month would have jolted the politicians into action over immigration, but not so far. Similarly the racist attacks in Norther Ireland against some Romanians should have at least been seen as a reason to discuss immigration, but it seems not. The mainstream politicians see the BNP success as being down to Labour voters not voting, rather than the BNP getting more voters. While that maybe true, the end result is the same ie. slime like Nick Griffin now being an MEP and places like Leicester (which has a high Asian population) having BNP councillors. It's too dreadful for words. Since the MPs' expenses scandal broke, that's pretty much been the only political story getting any media coverage. Apart from that, it's been the election of the new speaker that's been all over the news too. Plus Gordon Brown seems to get more and more deluded by the day. The more he is hated, the more determined he is to stay. Nothing has changed, certainly no major policy changes anyway.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 26, 09, 18:43 / #
What an evasive man he is. Those PM's Q times are a real waste of time. Total evasion and dodging. I've heard that the atmosphere in Britain is getting more hostile in parts. The feelgood factor certainly doesn't appear to be around.

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Edited by: BritishEmpire Jun 27, 09, 03:49 / #
JustysiaS: Andrew78: Why 250,000 Brits are living the UK every year? to make room for more immigrants ;) Is 250,000 enough then? To be honest i wouldnt blame anybody for wanting to leave, the uk has become a giant condom for the world where they can "cum" (did you like that ;) folks) and have a bit of fun for a few years and then throw it away when they are finished. Its made people become very competitive over everything as money is the new king and nothing else matters, community is a thing of the past unless you live in a very remote area that has managed to stay mostly unchanged but even these remote places are being invaded by city workers that are ripping these places apart because of there lust for second homes. Pay has fell of a cliff in recent years even before the downturn (i get the same pay now as i did 8 years ago), companies are more ruthless than ever as most of them dont even offer a pension any more so the pressure is on more than ever to work unsociable hours and week ends just to keep your head above water aswell as planning for the future (i cant remember the last time i saw my friends and i only see my parents every 2 weeks and they live 5 minutes walk away). Theres only so much you can take so its no wonder people opt out of the rat race. The only solution is for people to start caring again its as simple as that, it makes me angry when people bang on about chavs and such likes but they were not born that way were they, most of these areas were devastated by deindustrialisation and have been neglected by successive governments so we only have ourselves to blame.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 28, 09, 13:57 / #
The UK is suffering from credit cards being spread around like AIDS. More and more people don't want to live under grey skies, paying for cars which remain in the car park most of the day and living under excessive socialism.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,765 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 27, 09, 16:01 / #
JustysiaS: to make room for more immigrants ;) This is a good point. In Ireland, our government has said that 150,000 Irish people should emigrate yet they are more than happy for the 200,000 odd Poles to remain. Traitors.

bambino7Threads: 3 Posts: 19 Joined: Mar 2, 09	Jun 30, 09, 15:41 / #
because they have saved enough money to buy a massive house in a country with beautiful weather and cheaper living costs, that's why, very simple!

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,765 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jul 3, 09, 04:32 / #
As there are twice that emigrating to the UK from Poland. I feel their pain.

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Jul 4, 09, 02:35 / #
Well yes that is sometimes part of the reason revokenice, immigration into the uk is very high from many countries and it does upset many people.