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THE DAILY TELEGRAPH SLAMS POLES FOR CHRISTMAS

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Edited by: Puzzler Dec 25, 08, 08:14 / #
On December 22, the British newspaper The Daily Telegraph, owned by the Barclay brothers (of Scottish origin) , published a piece from Scotland, by Auslan Cramb, titled: "Police re-issue Christmas drink drive warnings in Polish". (See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/pubs/3902103/Police-re-issue-C hristmas-drink-drive-warnings-in-Polish.html). One can infer from the article that 10 % of 43 (yes - forty three) drunk drivers caught by the Scottish coppers in November 2008 were Polish, and that those 4.3 (four point three) Poles constitute "a massive over-representation of the local Polish population." Auslan Cramb mentions briefly that Scottish coppers carry in their patrol cars multi-lingual phrase books. This seems to mean that nationals other than the (4.3) Poles also drink and drive. Yet Auslan Cramb doesn't mention the nationalities of those non-Poles; in his article only the nationality of the Poles is mentioned, and the article is massively focused on the Poles. Auslan Cramb also suggests that in connection with the 4.3 drinking and driving Poles, the Scottish Police circulated through Polish newspapers some "separate warnings." Let's think now. If 10 % of drunk drivers caught by the Scottish Police are Poles, this means that the remaining 90 % (yes - ninety percent) of drunk drivers are non-Poles. Then why The Daily Telegraph hack doesn't mention the nationality or nationalities of the latter? Why doesn't he focus on them? Why does he single out the Poles? The article seems to convey the message that the Poles are the worst drinking-and-driving offenders of all the nationalities living in Scotland and UK. Are they, really? The British media psychopaths' hate-mongering against the Poles continues with total impunity.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Dec 25, 08, 13:25 / #
I agree, Puzzy. This Scottish inspector (McMillan) is inaccurate. There is NOT a zero limit in Poland like he says here, http://www.centralscotland.police.uk/news/index.php?news_id=1888 I was reading about it just yesterday. It was 0.8, much like the rest of Europe. It is 0.2 now, low for sure, but not zero. Chief Inspectors have to get their facts straight. Maybe if Britain started investing in the promotion of breathalysers, we'd start to get somewhere. Oh, and the EU started imposing mandatory declarations of alcohol content (units) on beer cans and other alcohol, we'd move forward. Stella Artois, for example, write the unit content on the side of the can, good job. Otherwise, people are gonna be left guessing. Oh, and lads, please get it right!! http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Kto-ky-jestes-Stirling-Moss.4817032. jp Kim jesteś? is much better than kto ky (sic) jestes? Fact!! Well, at least the Scotman got the legal number of milligrams right.

pawianThreads: 80 Posts: 4,542 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Dec 25, 08, 14:42 / #
Seanus: Kim jesteś? is much better than kto ky (sic) jestes? Fact!! Well, at least the Scotman got the legal number of milligrams right. Maybe it`s better but the expression Kto ty jesteś is deeply rooted in Polish culture. It comes from a famous poem for patriotic kids, written in 1900 (under partitions!), called Polish Kid`s Catechism. Kto ty jesteś? - Polak mały. - Jaki znak twój? - Orzeł biały. - Gdzie ty mieszkasz? - Między swemi. - W jakim kraju? - W polskiej ziemi. - Czym ta ziemia? - Mą ojczyzną. - Czym zdobyta? - Krwią i blizną. - Czy ją kochasz? - Kocham szczerze. - A w co wierzysz? - W Polskę wierzę. - Czym ty dla niej? - Wdzięczne dziecię - Coś jej winien? - Oddać życie." PS. Puzzler! Welcome back! Where have you been when you weren`t with us???? :):):)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 25, 08, 14:43 / #
Yes, but not kto ky jestes, LOL

pawianThreads: 80 Posts: 4,542 Joined: May 30, 08	Dec 25, 08, 14:44 / #
Seanus: Yes, but not kto ky jestes, LOL :):):). Right.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 25, 08, 14:47 / #
Anyway, it's no surprise that the newspapers who had a hack at the Poles were right-wing papers, pejoratively tarring the Poles as 'immigrants'. It has a negative connotation in Britain. The Daily Mail, the Daily Telegraph, the Times etc etc. As if the Scots don't drink and drive too.

pawianThreads: 80 Posts: 4,542 Joined: May 30, 08	Dec 25, 08, 14:49 / #
Seanus: Anyway, it's no surprise that the newspapers who had a hack at the Poles were right-wing papers, pejoratively tarring the Poles as 'immigrants'. It has a negative connotation in Britain. Usually the right wingers are more nationalistic than the left. Somewhere else today I read such statement: I thought that there is a little step from the strong nationalism to nazism.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 25, 08, 14:54 / #
I agree with that, pawian. Societal constraints inhibit the full unleashing of some people's views. They accept the title of conservative but hide more deeply-rooted nationalism and hatred. Unfortunately, some don't. The difference is that strong nationalism stems from feelings whereas Nazism was a more complete ideology.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Dec 25, 08, 15:29 / #
That article centres around Central Scotland police only so it shouldn't be seen as indicitive of the whole of Scotland. I think it's actually quite sensible of the officers to carry around a multi-lingual phrase book because it would be useful not just for stopping motorists. We all know in Scotland the highest number of drink-drivers are actually Scottish so why this article singled out Poles is beyond me.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 25, 08, 15:41 / #
I think it was just because of recent incidents of drink driving there, PD. They have to be seen to be doing their job, thoughtless as some of their comments are.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Dec 25, 08, 16:02 / #
Seanus: I think it was just because of recent incidents of drink driving there, PD. Incidents of drink-driving have been all over Scotland though. I think they picked the area with the highest level of Poles caught so they could single them out or it's just closer to where the reporter lives.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Dec 25, 08, 16:09 / #
I wouldn't underestimate the significance of the bias within the right-wing press, PD. It's particularly poignant in the UK. I'm glad Puzzler pointed it out, he made a good point. The only caveat I'd issue is that Poles can be defensive. They'd interpret a message to drink responsibly as an implication that they don't and on go the boxing gloves. As a Scot, I know that it's just what the police do, they do it every year. We had the same reaction until we discovered that it's just one of their core functions to warn people. As a Mod, you know very well PD that people should know better but they prove us wrong many times. Policing, here, is reinforcement.

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Dec 25, 08, 23:32 / #
Puzzler: Are they, really? The British media psychopaths' hate-mongering against the Poles continues with total impunity. I agree with ya puzzy, its annoying to keep reading articles clearly meant to make the public angry. that inspector must be no immigrations cousin or something.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07	Edited by: Puzzler Dec 26, 08, 04:11 / #
Hey, guys. Polska Doll, of course, I am not slamming the Scottish people for the article. I have always thought and stressed that media psychopaths in Britain do not represent the British people (even though they succeed in brainwashing some of the British people). Exactly the same is true for media psychopaths anywhere else, also in Poland. The liars and manipulators from, say, the Gazeta Wyborcza, are not the voice of the Polish people. The media opression over the minds of people throughout the world is really nightmarish. They, the media manipulators, are the main, if not sole, war- and hate-mongers, they create the divisions and adversity among various groups of people of the world, they are the main obstacle to the universal peace and brotherhood. I remember very well how they spread hate against us, Polish folks, in Canada. Truly, it is they who are responsible for the killing of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver Airport. When Robert's mother invited Canadian media to her son's funeral in Poland it was as though she invited his killers to the funeral. And it is mainly the media hate-mongers who are responsible for the hate and violence leveled at Poles in the UK. Of course, the wretched end of this evil bunch must come one day, because evil always ends up like that. For today, I wish this dehumanized cowardly bunch all the very worst with all my heart. I really hope their crimes are remembered and punished one day. We will not forget and forgive. :)

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,049 Joined: May 26, 08	Dec 26, 08, 04:44 / #
Seanus: I was reading about it just yesterday. It was 0.8, much like the rest of Europe. It is 0.2 now, low for sure, but not zero. Chief Inspectors have to get their facts straight. I am assuming those numbers represent the Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) of an individual. Maybe the BAC numbers you meant to post are .02 & .08?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 26, 08, 09:00 / #
Yes, thanks for the correction Babinich.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Dec 26, 08, 09:31 / #
Puzzler: Polska Doll, of course, I am not slamming the Scottish people for the article. I know you weren't. How did you get that idea? :) I was pointing out that the article was based on only one region in Scotland, probably the region with the highest amount of Poles caught. I was bashing the media, not you. ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 26, 08, 09:32 / #
Exactly, PD. We know you are a smart lad, Puzzy.

ArcticPaulThreads: 49 Posts: 245 Joined: Apr 7, 08	Dec 26, 08, 10:22 / #
PolskaDoll: so why this article singled out Poles is beyond me. Poles are the largest group of recent newcomeres, so they are the easiest target for The Mail, The Express and other right-wing, little Englander viewed media. Most Brits accept their national media is a disgrace and read every article with a large pinch of salt.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 26, 08, 10:24 / #
Spot on, ArcticPaul. They engage in cheap shots and belittling.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,143 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Edited by: wildrover Jan 2, 09, 15:37 / #
Puzzler: TELEGRAPH SLAMS POLES should it not read slams telegraph poles...? we are talking about car accidents are we not..?

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