English people attitude towards Poles?

jonni:

Districts of big cities have always had changing fortunes, even before mass immigration. There have always been slums, even some 'white flight' areas are pretty foul.

jonni:

Wouldn't you 'bang on' if you were treated as a second class citizen because of the colour of your skin, hair, eyes or your nationality etc. I'd be bloody angry.

jonni:

Poles are a very large, and generally liked

jonni:

I remember Hulme Crescents. That could have been great, but the people dragged it down.
Nearer my home, there's a real sink estate; it was hugely improved on EU money, but still had its reputation and a fair few of the original tenants. People wouldn't touch the place unless they had to. Now the Poles have come, they don't know the history of the place, have no qualms about accepting a council house there and at last, the area is finally becoming respectable again, with hard working families. Due to immigration.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Nov 20, 09, 17:24 / #
ShelleyS: if they are so bothered why do they still come here? Many are from here. ShelleyS: our lovely social housing. I remember Hulme Crescents. That could have been great, but the people dragged it down. Nearer my home, there's a real sink estate; it was hugely improved on EU money, but still had its reputation and a fair few of the original tenants. People wouldn't touch the place unless they had to. Now the Poles have come, they don't know the history of the place, have no qualms about accepting a council house there and at last, the area is finally becoming respectable again, with hard working families. Due to immigration.

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Edited by: BritishEmpire Nov 21, 09, 02:39 / #
jonni: What has skin colour got to do with anything? Well its quite obvious it doesn't bother you but thats fine, we won't bother trying to change your mind so you just go and sit in the corner on your own. jonni: Districts of big cities have always had changing fortunes, even before mass immigration. There have always been slums, even some 'white flight' areas are pretty foul. Yes there has always been problems, so in an effort to improve the areas people are helped back to work and given good jobs that the poles come and take by slipping in the back door thanks to their local friendly agency and proceed to push the wages and conditions down. I know i've seen it happen three times. jonni: Wouldn't you 'bang on' if you were treated as a second class citizen because of the colour of your skin, hair, eyes or your nationality etc. I'd be bloody angry. I would stop acting like a tw@t, go back to my own country and accept that it was my fault because i came for the sponge and no one dragged me here in chains. Then i would proceed to improve my own country instead of expecting that someone else would improve it for me. jonni: Poles are a very large, and generally liked large yes, generally liked, well thats not true from what i see and hear but i suppose we all have different experiences. jonni: I remember Hulme Crescents. That could have been great, but the people dragged it down. Nearer my home, there's a real sink estate; it was hugely improved on EU money, but still had its reputation and a fair few of the original tenants. People wouldn't touch the place unless they had to. Now the Poles have come, they don't know the history of the place, have no qualms about accepting a council house there and at last, the area is finally becoming respectable again, with hard working families. Due to immigration. Can we have another story dad, PLEASE! You really showing yourself to be a loon now, immigration does not improve an area it just drives it further down. I know of around 5 poor estates in my area, they were rough before but now they are no go areas thanks to the immigrants. It must be bad because even the trouble makers that were there before have fled :D

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Moderator Nov 21, 09, 03:55 / #
A private message I got from Shelley S. It shows what the world is up against: Edit: the post may or may not be replaced at a later date. in the interests of fair play... please, do not publish PM's without permission. Thank you. Either drink or mental health, but either way, not good.

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06	Nov 21, 09, 08:22 / #
jonni: Either drink or mental health, but either way, not good. neither of them.it's just very healthy attitude.Why say something that isn't true but is politically correct?pakis are just pakis.We have exactly the same problems with most of the drity chechenians who came here just after the war with russia.Most of them(if not all)live here in ghettos(created by them) and are responsible for theft,drugs and people trafficiking.Muslims will never adapt to our way of living.

GemThreads: - Posts: 4 Joined: Nov 21, 09	Nov 21, 09, 20:00 / #
England is over run with Polish people willing to work harder for less money than the Brits!

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Nov 22, 09, 01:50 / #
jonni: private message I got from Shelley S. Well i take it the PM wasn't to friendly which is understandable. rafik: pakis are just pakis Exactly, there is nothing racist about calling someone a paki its just that the law says it can be classed as racist. Everyone calls polish people poles and not a word is mentioned. Add abusive language to the word paki and i suppose it becomes a different matter. Gem: England is over run with Polish people willing to work harder for less money than the Brits! Theres alot of truth in that statement, the majority of them to tend to work harder but its obvious why when they are paid four to five times more than they would be paid in poland. This is great for the companies that are cashing in on the cheap labour but the ordinary people don't benefit at all.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 01:53 / #
It's Pakistani and doesn't involve much extra effort, does it? Polaks can be pejorative, not Poles.

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Nov 22, 09, 02:02 / #
Seanus: Polaks can be pejorative, not Poles. Says you which means jack. It takes no extra effort to britsh but many people says "brits" but you wont see everyone crying racist will you. Just because someone chooses to shorten a word is no basis at all to call them racist.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 02:04 / #
Yes but many see Paki as racist and that's the point. No, it doesn't mean jack as I know the meaning of the word.

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Nov 22, 09, 02:24 / #
Seanus: Yes but many see Paki as racist and that's the point. I don't care how they see it, that doesn't make it racist because they don't like people shortening the word. I dont like the word pommie but the aussies think its fine to call me one, its only deemed racist in australia if it has abusive or foul language attached to it.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Nov 26, 09, 15:01 / #
BritishEmpire: Well you wouldn't Mister H because in my view you are ever so politically correct on these issues, as it was said before no hate was meant. I am not "ever so politically correct", in fact I loathe political correctness, however, I don't see being wise and a bit sensitive to people's feelings as being politically correct. Why use a word you know might upset someone just because you don't actually intend to upset them ? If you had grown up in a country where you often saw "Brits go home" painted in 10 foot high letters around the place, wouldn't you feel a little bit sensitive about the use of the word "Brit" ? ShelleyS: Id say its quite offensive, since most corner shops are actually owned by Indians :D That's the other issue. Half the time, people use it not even knowing where the person they are directing it at is actually from.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 02:29 / #
Ah well, have it your way then. You know the connotation as well as I do. It's the intent behind it, just like pommie.

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Nov 22, 09, 02:36 / #
Seanus: Ah well, have it your way then. You know the connotation as well as I do. It's the intent behind it, just like pommie. Its all about how its said and not about me having my way, i wouldn't mind aussies referring to me as a pommie if it wasn't always brought up in a situation that involved hatred. Everyone i know refers to our local shop as "the paki shop" and there is no hatred in that whatsoever.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 22, 09, 10:18 / #
Well yeah, we called it the paki shop too without any desire to be racist so I take your point. I'm just saying that a lot of people see it as offensive. It's like when I say Polak, I don't mean any offence. Jestem Polak(iem) is Polish after all. However, nig*er is sth that I let only Blacks say.

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Nov 23, 09, 01:19 / #
Yes i would agree with you that the word nggr is racist because it can be said to any black person and doesn't refer to anything other than their skin colour. If it wasn't for all the racial hatred that was directed towards pakistanis when they first came all those years ago then i doubt the word paki would be deemed racist or derogative.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Edited by: Mister H Nov 23, 09, 11:44 / #
BritishEmpire: If it wasn't for all the racial hatred that was directed towards pakistanis when they first came all those years ago then i doubt the word paki would be deemed racist or derogative. That is a very big "if" thought isn't it ? The P word was used in a nasty and racist way back in the day, so now it is seen as an offensive word with racial connotations. We reap what we sow, the damage has been done. Therefore I don't see why anyone would still want to be using it, let alone call the corner shop "The Paki Shop".

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Nov 23, 09, 12:39 / #
Mister H: Therefore I don't see why anyone would still want to be using it, let alone call the corner shop "The Paki Shop". Id say its quite offensive, since most corner shops are actually owned by Indians :D

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Nov 24, 09, 03:21 / #
Mister H: The P word was used in a nasty and racist way back in the day, so now it is seen as an offensive word with racial connotations. Yes that is why, still i thinks its absolutely stupid to have classed the word paki as racist unless it was accompanied by abusive or foul language because it doesn't relate to colour or race, just nationality. A complete over reaction in an effort to please a group of people that at the time were not welcome or wanted in Britain, saying that with the current uproar over immigration isn't it just a little bit of history repeated?. On that note would you let someone into your house that the rest of your family didn't like because i sure as hell wouldn't. Mister H: We reap what we sow, the damage has been done. Well iam not being responsible for the actions of someone before me otherwise i would be hating every country in the world for the actions of their ancestors. Mister H: Therefore I don't see why anyone would still want to be using it, let alone call the corner shop "The Paki Shop". Well you wouldn't Mister H because in my view you are ever so politically correct on these issues, as it was said before no hate was meant. ShelleyS: Id say its quite offensive, since most corner shops are actually owned by Indians :D hehe nice one shellys :D

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Nov 27, 09, 01:31 / #
Mister H: Why use a word you know might upset someone Because they don't hear it. Mister H: If you had grown up in a country where you often saw "Brits go home" painted in 10 foot high letters around the place, wouldn't you feel a little bit sensitive about the use of the word "Brit" ? No I would respect what the real people of that country wanted and go home.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08	Dec 3, 09, 01:12 / #
BritishEmpire: Because they don't hear it. Oh you say it behind their back! So brave! BritishEmpire: No I would respect what the real people of that country wanted and go home. You have a very one-dimentional view of things. Do you approve of ANY sort of immigration ?