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Exhibition celebrates Bonnie Prince Charlie’s Polish links



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AN EXHIBITION celebrating the Polish heritage of Bonnie Prince Charlie’s mother will open tomorrow at Moray Arts Centre.

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http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1411767?UserKey=
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Can anyone clarify whether it is Sobieski or Sobieska ? Or are the two names interchangeable ?
There are many Polish/Scottish links from this era. For example,Maurice de Saxe, the illegitamate Son of the King of Poland, planned an invasion of England in 1744 and defeated the Brits at the battle of Fontenoy in 1745.

Thanks for the link Eagle.
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szkotja2007:
Can anyone clarify whether it is Sobieski or Sobieska

Sobieski is for male, Sobieska is for female.
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Is that because they are royalty or does that extend to other names ?

For example, would it be Pan Sikorski and Pania Sikorska ?
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szkotja2007:
Is that because they are royalty or does that extend to other names ?

For example, would it be Pan Sikorski and Pania Sikorska ?

Not just for royalty. Your example is correct.

However, not all names have both male and female versions.
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Thanks
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Exactly: Pan Sikorski and Pani Sikorska... ;)

Names with -ski, -cki in the ending (like Sobieski, Kaczyński, Łęcki, Szymborski) get always female endings (Sobieska, Kaczyńska, Sikorska, Łęcka, Szymborska).

Names ending without this, mostly consonants, but not only, like Miłosz, Mickiewicz, Cimoszewicz, but also Wajda do not change endings for female versions nowadays.
However, in older times they did, so Mickiewicz's wife was called Mickiewiczowa,
an Mickiewicz's daughter would be Mickiewiczówna ;) Later on, it was abandoned,
though you still can see in some cases the ending preserved, mostly in common speech,
and in casual register, a woman can be pani Kowalowa, and not pani Kowal.
I know it can be complicated...

btw, the exhibition would be very interesting to me, they should bring it to Poland...
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Thanks Jowita
Jowita:
I know it can be complicated...

Yes !
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Eagle20:
AN EXHIBITION celebrating the Polish heritage of Bonnie Prince Charlie’s mother will open tomorrow at Moray Arts Centre.

Sounds good. Funny how everyone blames the English for a Pole and a German fighting over who gets the crowns! (joke, people!)
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Trevek:
Pole and a German fighting over who gets the crowns

Maria Klementyna Sobieskas' father was a Pole and her mother was German.....the aristocracy have a small gene pool.
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Bonnie who???
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Bratwurst Boy:
Bonnie who???

Bonnie Tyler........... uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i think :)
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Bonnie Prince Charlie - Tearlach
Highland clans rallied to his cause but the man abused their loyalty.

See also -

Bonnie Dundee - much better role model and military tactician but didn't have as much success in 1689 as Charlie did in 1745.

The outcomes of both the above were affected by circumstances outside of Scotland.
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And he was a germole?
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Nope, modern day Germans would have been on the side of the English.
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szkotja2007:
Bonnie Dundee - much better role model and military tactician but didn't have as much success in 1689 as Charlie did in 1745.

I thought he only had one good battle and died winning it.

The bold pit cur fell in a fur
an' Clavers got a clankie-o
Or I had fed an athol gled
On the Braes o' Killiecrankie-O.
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Trevek - I stand corrected - Thank you !

I was thinking of James Graham ( 1st Marquis of Montrose, died 1650) rather than John Graham ( Bonnie Dundee ).
James Graham was the better military man although many credit his successes to Alisdair MacColla
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szkotja2007:
Trevek - I stand corrected - Thank you !

Your welcome, my friend.

That said, Clavers did pull off an amazing victory at Killiecrankie, apparently he was quite a soldier.
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