67% of the Irish people call for restrictions on eastern european migration.

dtaylor5632:

don't think there should be any restrictions on immigration into Ireland. When Ireland was experiencing the boom, they welcomed the Poles with opened arms. Now they're looking for a scapegoat for the crash. A point could be that with the amount of Irish over here buying vast amounts of property and therefor putting rental prices up, the average Pole can't afford to live here.
Europe is one country now, Whether you like it or not. Stop moaning and get on with it.

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Edited by: dtaylor5632 Jun 28, 09, 18:47 / #
RevokeNice: will of the Irish people. The will of what Irish, you sound like one of those muppets who forced 100 Romanians from their homes. RevokeNice: Hitler was never democratically elected. Not exactly true, placed in power in a democratic government. A bit like Mr Brown. But he still held power through many elections afterwards, so he must have gained popularity during his time.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 28, 09, 18:49 / #
Brian Lenihan(Irish Minister for Finanace) blames Euro and Mass immigration for recession ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Low euro interest rates and cheap labour from Eastern Europe after 2004 were the main reasons for the overheating of the Irish economy which led to the recession, the Minister of Finance, Brian Lenihan has said. [see today's Mail on Sunday page 2] Asked about the causes of the recession during ‘The Last Word with Matt Cooper’ on Thursday (25/6/09), Minister Lenihan put it down to, ‘cheap credit from the European Central Bank, the availability of cheap labour after 2004 was a factor as well.' He also added, ‘the public appetite for lending, and public appetite for increased purchase of property were part of it.’ Former Green MEP for Dublin, Patricia McKenna said the ‘membership of the euro currency has led to a credit bubble and shows that the European Central Bank has huge say over our economy. The ECB,’ she said, ‘ is more geared to the interest of big states like France and Germany, and we shall find going forward, as they recover quicker, that it does not act in the interest of Ireland.’ Minister Lenihan was taking part in a radio interview provoked by the latest IMF report on the Irish economy which proposed from 2005 to 2007, ‘easy credit fostered a property bubble,’ and Ireland’s ‘international competitiveness was compromised as wages climbed rapidly.’ While the IMF report suggested that access to ECB financing has been an important source of liquidity for the banking sector, it also pointed out that since Ireland’s Euro currency membership meant ‘the possibility of adjusting through the depreciation of its own exchange rate is not available, further wage reductions will be required to restore competitiveness and growth prospects.’

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 28, 09, 18:53 / #
Hitler was hugely popular at that time. Yes, you have to vote again so what does that say about democracy? Maybe Hitler's stealth showed us something. How do you propose to drive the Poles out?

Cardno85Threads: 33 Posts: 857 Joined: Jul 11, 08 MEMBER	Jun 28, 09, 18:53 / #
Seanus: How do you propose to drive the Poles out? With a car ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 28, 09, 18:54 / #
Boom boom :) Yeah, return those Maluchs :)

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Jun 28, 09, 18:55 / #
Sign of someone losing his arguments. Quoting every resource available, without being able to have his own position, ideas ect. Still you haven't answered anything I have put to you, so i guess you must be selecting your arguments carefully.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 28, 09, 18:56 / #
Seanus Work permits for future immigrants. Non nationals must have worked here for 5 years to claim a cent in welfare. Free flights for those who wish to go home, with the agreement that they do not return for five years. dtaylor5632 You are not very bright, you think the EU is one country. Fuuny that, eastern europeans need a work permit to enter part of their own "country", Germany and Austria.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 28, 09, 18:58 / #
I still can't understand why this and similar threads are being started every now and again. What are we actually discussing here? If Irish people want to change the immigration law they will change the law. If they don't want to change it, they won't change it. Simple as that. End of the case. It's their country so let's leave it for them to decide. I for once, will respect ANY law that is made by legally elected Irish government.

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Jun 28, 09, 19:00 / #
RevokeNice: Work permits for future immigrants. Just wouldn't work with Ireland being in the EU. Free flights home, does that mean they would be banned coming into the country for a holiday afterwards? how would you enforce it? Police database? If thats the case, what about you going to another country? should you be put on a police database? So what happened to your ex? cos i think thats the only motivation you have.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 28, 09, 19:03 / #
Again, RN, practicalities. How do you plan to practically enforce the above as Dave said?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 28, 09, 19:30 / #
That's an interesting point by RN. I know Polish kids to be perky as kids tend to be. However, I do notice this docility which he refers to. Some Poles tend to go through a dulling process, perhaps called reality :)

BritishEmpireThreads: - Posts: 195 Joined: Apr 26, 09	Jun 29, 09, 00:38 / #
The best way to control immigration from europe to britain & ireland is through permits. Its simple, if there is a vacancy and a british or irish worker can fill it then thats what happens, only if this doesnt happen should a migrant worker be able to apply for the job. And dont play that old broken record that migrant workers only do the jobs that we dont want to do because its not true, most of the time they do the work that we would do its just that we expect a better wage because we have higher living costs. But try and get our greedy governments that are backed by big business to swallow that one without choking.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 29, 09, 00:40 / #
Permits are a good idea, I approve of this scheme. Mass immigration is not desirable, steady immigration is. Britain cannot be seen as just a bailout option when times get tough here.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 29, 09, 00:43 / #
Seanus Agreed. Irish citizens first, then to the old EU countries, if no takers then and only then can members of the accession states be considered.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 28, 09, 19:06 / #
dtaylor5632: don't think there should be any restrictions on immigration into Ireland. When Ireland was experiencing the boom, they welcomed the Poles with opened arms. Now they're looking for a scapegoat for the crash. A point could be that with the amount of Irish over here buying vast amounts of property and therefor putting rental prices up, the average Pole can't afford to live here. Europe is one country now, Whether you like it or not. Stop moaning and get on with it. Wrong, we voted no to the Nice Treaty due to fears of mass immigration from eastern europe. We had to vote again and we were told our fears where xenophobic and racist and that the eastern europeans had no interest in moving to Ireland. They were never "welcomed", they were tolerated. Europe is not a country, it is a continent. I take it you mean the EU, well thats not a country either, it is a union of european countries. European laws can be changed, the majority of Irish people want an end to mass immigration from eastern europe, they can moan all they want until their concerns are listened to and the issue rectified.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 28, 09, 19:07 / #
Torq: If Irish people want to change the immigration law they will change the law. If they don't want to change it, they won't change it. Quote of the day Torq. In a nutshell

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Jun 28, 09, 19:08 / #
RevokeNice: take it you mean the EU Have you ever lived outside Ireland? And keep up to speed with the discussion, you're about 10 posts behind.

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,907 Joined: Apr 15, 09	Edited by: aphrodisiac Jun 28, 09, 19:19 / #
Torq: I still can't understand why this and similar threads are being started every now and again. What are we actually discussing here? If Irish people want to change the immigration law they will change the law. If they don't want to change it, they won't change it. Simple as that. End of the case. It's their country so let's leave it for them to decide. I for once, will respect ANY law that is made by legally elected Irish government. he is on a personal crusade. The Polish ex pissed him off and now he wants all the Poles out of Ireland. This is not the first time and will not be the last. I wish people were a bit more mature and take responsibility.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 28, 09, 19:27 / #
aphrodisiac: he is on a personal crusade. The Polish ex pissed him off and now he wants all the Poles out of Ireland. This is not the first time and will not be the last. I wish people were a bit more mature and take responsibility. I have never been with a Polish lady, the Czechs are miles ahead of them. Mass immigration from eastern europe is a massive issue in Ireland, hence my stance. dtaylor5632 I have travelled the world, I am a real multiculturalist. Importing mass amounts of docile cheap labour who barely integrate outside of the workplace, is not multiculturalism, its madness!

hairballThreads: 34 Posts: 770 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Jun 28, 09, 20:14 / #
Torq: I still can't understand why this and similar threads are being started every now and again. It sounds like he made a pass at a Polish princess and she knocked him back.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 28, 09, 20:25 / #
hairball I have been with my present missus since I was 19, Ive never thought about straying away. But please, continue to generalise.

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Edited by: dtaylor5632 Jun 29, 09, 00:43 / #
BritishEmpire: british or irish worker can fill it then thats what happens Problem is that most people will refuse to work for min wage. If your point was true, then why are there so many dolers waiting at the queues outside the job center, ask one of them if they will start on the ladder at min wage, they will say feck aff, im just here to get my benefits. I agree if a British worker wants the job, and has better qualifications than the foreigner then he should get it. BritishEmpire: most of the time they do the work that we would do its just that we expect a better wage because we have higher living costs. Exactly, then why moan about min wage?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Edited by: Seanus Jun 29, 09, 00:48 / #
I don't think mass immigration is in the spirit of the Treaty. You have to wonder how things would be if the boot were on the other foot. Just imagine it, Poland with its higher level of GDP now, dishing out over 3700PLN a month to some foreign people who came in? It's unthinkable! The Polish system pays next to nothing to its own people for dole money. Why should we extend unreciprocated priveleges?

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 29, 09, 00:51 / #
Seanus Nail on the head, Seanus. It will never happen, yet the Poles will tell you they deserve it and we should accept it as they are EU members. Do as I say not do as I do. Let there be no doubt, Ireland has treated her foreign born population better than any other country in europe. What did we get in return? More demands.

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Jun 29, 09, 00:53 / #
And to be honest its a big contridiction that someone from Ireland is complaining (which only really started in the past year) about foreigners coming to Ireland. Considering that up untill 2007 Ireland was one of 4 countries not to pay anything into the EU, but to receive a huge amount of funding from it, despite Ireland during those times being one of the richest countries in Europe. hmmm kinda odd

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 29, 09, 00:56 / #
I can't quote you any figures but they pay a pittance in JSA payments. Also, I will have to pay 800PLN a month for insurance based on the idea that those who have their own businesses are deemed to be richer. The insurance gets me next to nothing. 800PLN is as much as some families get. Poland is the country of voodoo economics. I have to pay 950PLN for my small flat, 183PLN for a financial guy and 19% taxes (usually 650PLN). Now you see why Poles accept the handouts abroad, they have to work their as*es off here just to make ends meet half the time.

dtaylor5632Threads: 48 Posts: 4,348 Joined: May 2, 09	Jun 29, 09, 00:59 / #
Seanus: Now you see why Poles accept the handouts abroad, they have to work their as*es off here just to make ends meet half the time. True, and who can blame them? Im paying 2000pln a month for a 2 roomed flat in Krakow. And its normal, ask any westerner to share a room with another person, and the answer you would get is, feck no way!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 29, 09, 01:05 / #
Property prices are scandalous here. High prices for crumbling old dingy dives with bleak views. That's why I've been renting for 4.5 years. I had it at 750PLN for over 4 years after just having been ordered to pay 950PLN. RN, it's natural that people wanna escape. Besides, Polish workplaces are hardly fountains of joy for the most part. Pride and moaning abound.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 29, 09, 01:21 / #
Seanus Ireland is not and never will be their home. Put it this way, if the recession hits Ireland any harder and mass immigration continues, well it wont be pretty. We are not a tolerant race. I want Ireland to reform our immigration policies, not let it get out of hand, as we are seeing at present. Mob rule.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jun 29, 09, 01:22 / #
RevokeNice: if the recession hits Ireland any harder and mass immigration continues Why would people go there then ?