Mass immigration in UK to blame for knife culture

Although Northumbria Police argues that knife crime is in fact falling on our streets.

However, Acting Deputy Chief Constable Sue Sim at Northumbria Police said knife crime on Tyneside is not as bad as in other areas of the country and said knife crime is falling.

"Northumbria does not experience the same problems with knife crime and gang-related culture as other parts of the UK,"

"We recently did some additional research around the issue of knife crime which shows that between April and June this year there were 139 serious knife crimes recorded, compared to 170 for the same period last year. This means that serious knife crime is, in fact, reducing and our campaign will seek to reduce it even further."

Despite the shocking knife crime figures, which include results from the British Crime Survey and crimes recorded by the police for the 12 months up to March 2008, show that crime is in fact falling, in the North East.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jul 17, 08, 04:26 / #
spread by some ugly humanoid... Mrs Spence said: 'We have had the Iraqi Kurds who carry knives and the Poles and the Lithuanians who carry knives. If it is normal to carry them where you come from, you need to educate them pretty quickly. We have done a lot of work to tell them not to, and we have seen it go down.' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023929/Mass-immigration-blame-knife- culture-chief-constable-warns.html

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Jul 17, 08, 04:49 / #
As soon as I saw Daily Mail, I didn't bother reading any further

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07	Jul 17, 08, 06:00 / #
Ethnicity is a strong factor however when they show the pictures of the knife victims and descriptions of the suspects on the news neither seem to be Poles, Lithuanians or Iraqi Kurds. Not unless these particular nationalities have started dressing like 50 cent and overdosing on the sunbed.

dnzThreads: 25 Posts: 804 Joined: Dec 2, 07	Jul 17, 08, 06:01 / #
What sort of knofe is it illegal to carry? Stanley knife? If so then they should be targeting carpet fitters, Mechanics, Factory workers, anyone in a blue collar job. They should be targeting the british scum who can't be trusted with sharp objects instead of People who use them for their correct purpose. Britain is becoming a joke, Thats one of the reasons I left.

the_falksterThreads: 1 Posts: 188 Joined: Nov 15, 07	Jul 17, 08, 06:07 / #
Daisy: As soon as I saw Daily Mail, I didn't bother reading any further the more shocking stuff is in the comments to the article...

dnzThreads: 25 Posts: 804 Joined: Dec 2, 07	Jul 17, 08, 06:12 / #
Its the typical daily mail reader stereotype.....

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Jul 17, 08, 06:38 / #
Kilkline: Not unless these particular nationalities have started dressing like 50 cent and overdosing on the sunbed. There is tea all over the desk now...thanks for that! ROLF..

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jul 17, 08, 07:07 / #
Newspapers are comics for adults.....not to be taken as fact.....Especially the daily mail....

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Jul 17, 08, 08:59 / #
let me guess, jack the ripper was polish. :/

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Jul 17, 08, 09:11 / #
plk123: let me guess, jack the ripper was polish. :/ No German....some believe he was a member of the British Royal family

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Edited by: VaFunkoolo Jul 17, 08, 10:41 / #
And John Pizer And Severin Antonovich Kłosowski And David Cohen

truebritThreads: 3 Posts: 230 Joined: May 19, 06	Jul 17, 08, 13:42 / #
Just to clarify the situation in London - of the 44 knife teen murders over the past 2 years all the killers were black except for 1 who was asian.The victims were mostly black but also included a few white and asian youngsters.

miranda	Jul 17, 08, 14:06 / #
Grzegorz, you didn't read the whole article, did you. Anyways. I was wondering where those kitchen knifes dissapeared. Bummer.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Feb 14, 09, 01:39 / #
Clutching at straws here, methinks. It might be a minor contributing factor at the most.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Jul 17, 08, 10:39 / #
plk123: let me guess, jack the ripper was polish. :/ Aaron Kosminski was a suspect.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jul 17, 08, 10:40 / #
It wasn,t me...honest...

noimmigration	Jul 17, 08, 11:30 / #
plk123: let me guess, jack the ripper was polish. :/ No thankfully we had restrictions on eastern europeans entering the uk back then

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08	Jul 17, 08, 11:35 / #
At least 4 of the suspects were Polish

eagleThreads: - Posts: 65 Joined: Jul 10, 08	Jul 17, 08, 13:19 / #
plk123: let me guess, jack the ripper was polish. :/ Aren't you forgeting something? The Ipswich murderer was Polish,oops! Iraqi Kurd.

hairballThreads: 37 Posts: 787 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Edited by: hairball Jul 17, 08, 15:51 / #
It would seem that knife crime is actually falling. At least in the North East which has a large Polish community! Although Northumbria Police argues that knife crime is in fact falling on our streets. However, Acting Deputy Chief Constable Sue Sim at Northumbria Police said knife crime on Tyneside is not as bad as in other areas of the country and said knife crime is falling. "Northumbria does not experience the same problems with knife crime and gang-related culture as other parts of the UK," "We recently did some additional research around the issue of knife crime which shows that between April and June this year there were 139 serious knife crimes recorded, compared to 170 for the same period last year. This means that serious knife crime is, in fact, reducing and our campaign will seek to reduce it even further." Despite the shocking knife crime figures, which include results from the British Crime Survey and crimes recorded by the police for the 12 months up to March 2008, show that crime is in fact falling, in the North East. Report reveals one stabbing attack every day

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,388 Joined: May 30, 08	Jul 17, 08, 16:11 / #
dnz: Its the typical daily mail reader stereotype..... I agree. I have never seen any of my students carry a knife in school, and I have been teaching for a couople of years now. I suppose it is a custom/habit Poles acquire when they stay in Britain for a while.

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Feb 14, 09, 03:29 / #
Whats wrong with carrying a knife? Theonly thing that matters is the person holding/carrying it

crusaderThreads: 4 Posts: 79 Joined: Jan 25, 09	Feb 14, 09, 20:59 / #
I read the Daily Mail, but that's not to say I believe everything in it, I have noticed that carrying knives seems to be popular with some Lithuanians (I repeat, some) for some reason, but I worked with lots of Polish people, and never knew any of them to carry knives, but that's just my experience.

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Feb 14, 09, 21:52 / #
crusader: carrying knives seems to be popular with some Lithuanians I got it drunk, in a bar, a guy tried to sell it to me, a big crusty Lithuanian who could barely stand he was so drunk. I said "what would i want with a knife, I don't want it" so he gave it to me and then proceeded to give me another knife, of no historical significance, said his ex had tried to kill him with it and he wanted rid of it. He was so drunk I just took them and thanked him, rather I have them than some stranger, if you know what I mean. Not much of a story but that's how it happened. Thats SeanBM`s story.

Mass immigration in UK to blame for knife culture - says Chief Constable

JohnPThreads: - Posts: 544 Joined: Sep 8, 07	Feb 15, 09, 02:52 / #
Perhaps it is because I'm American, but I don't see what the point is. If someone wants to carry a knife, I have no issues with it. The people who obey laws aren't the ones going around cutting other people anyway. Odds are they'll keep their knives regardless of the law. Have also seen at least one ad from the UK implying that if you carry a knife it was likely to be used against you. Nonsense. People meaning to attack someone with a knife come already prepared. They don't NEED to take a knife from their victim. Am I wrong here? It just doesnt' make sense to me. If someone doesn't want to carry a knife fine...but if they want to, where's the problem. Murder and attempted murder are presumably already illegal, anyway...if THOSE laws don't stop someone, I doubt a little restriction on knife carrying is going to do anything. John P.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08	Feb 15, 09, 14:41 / #
dnz: What sort of knofe is it illegal to carry? Stanley knife? If so then they should be targeting carpet fitters, Mechanics, Factory workers, anyone in a blue collar job. I was working in a UK factory last summer and we had to hand in all work knives before we left the factory for this reason. In UK it has long been known for kids to carry stanley knives etc. How many of the knife crimes that have made the news were committed by immigrants? When I was living in Glasgow about 12 years ago there was one night where 5 fatal stabbings occurred across the city. I really don't agree with this. Sure immigration is a factor but knife culture has been big for a while, why else all the amnesties over the last 20 years.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Feb 15, 09, 14:46 / #
PolskaMan: Whats wrong with carrying a knife? Theonly thing that matters is the person holding/carrying it That's a good point. My Dad has carried a Swiss army knife around since he was a child and used it for all manner of useful things. He's never injured another person with it (himself plenty of times though ;) Let's face it, nutters don't need knives to injure people. Take all the knives away and they'll still find some way of injuring or murdering people.

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Feb 15, 09, 22:41 / #
PolskaDoll: My Dad has carried a Swiss army knife around since he was a child Same as mine =] But come on carrying a knife is the same thing as having hands i can choke someone with hands =o they`ll cut of my hands!

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08	Feb 15, 09, 22:54 / #
It's like when they banned samurai swords because the use of them in murders had doubled (from 2 to 4).

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Feb 15, 09, 22:56 / #
They'll be banning kitchen knives soon leaving me to hack away for hours at some veg or meat with a butter knife. ;)