Plantation of Ireland.

Barney:

re: Plantation of Ireland

How many people have been forced from their homes by Polish people?
What laws have been forced upon Irish people by Poles?

Your comparison with the plantations of Ireland is deeply insulting to the Irish nation let alone Polish people.

What are you going to do next, draw parallels between the Famine and immigration?

You may have an argument opposing migration lets hear it, but stop misrepresenting history.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 13:43 / #
irishdeano What ********? There is only one Provisional Sinn Fein, it is a 32 county movement. Why are you refering to Ireland in partitionist terms, north and south? I am a minority in the area of West Dublin I reside in. Poles are the majority. It has been turned into a Polish colony.

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Jun 21, 09, 13:45 / #
RevokeNice: What ********? There is only one Provisional Sinn Fein, it is a 32 county movement. Why are you refering to Ireland in partitionist terms, north and south? The sinn fein the south of ireland take nothing to with matters in the North,

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 13:54 / #
irishdeano There is one Sinn Fein, partitionist. There is not South Sinn Fein and Nordie Sinn Fein. Look his may be hard for you to comprehend, but maybe the voters in the south have different concerns than those in the north, so maybe Sinn Fein have to have different policies in each area?

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Edited by: irishdeano Jun 21, 09, 13:56 / #
RevokeNice: There is one Sinn Fein, partitionist. There is not South Sinn Fein and Nordie Sinn Fein. Look his may be hard for you to comprehend, but maybe the voters in the south have different concerns than those in the north, so maybe Sinn Fein have to have different policies in each area? maybe cause alot of the south was traitors The are the same party, they have a different leader in the south, They make nothing towards northern, they have no say in Decisions in the north or how its govern,

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 13:58 / #
irishdeano Who is this mysterious leader in the south? When did he/she get elected as said leader of the south?

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Jun 21, 09, 14:08 / #
RevokeNice: Who is this mysterious leader in the south? When did he/she get elected as said leader of the south? Adams is over the whole lot but bases himself in the norths and caoimhghin o'caolain is the controller in the south

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 14:13 / #
[quote=irishdeano] and caoimhghin o'caolain is the controller in the south No, no he is not. Anyway this is off topic. Can you tell me how many polish reside in my country? Care to tell me how they benefit Ireland?

BarneyThreads: 14 Posts: 1,469 Joined: May 26, 08	Jun 21, 09, 14:30 / #
re: Plantation of Ireland How many people have been forced from their homes by Polish people? What laws have been forced upon Irish people by Poles? Your comparison with the plantations of Ireland is deeply insulting to the Irish nation let alone Polish people. What are you going to do next, draw parallels between the Famine and immigration? You may have an argument opposing migration lets hear it, but stop misrepresenting history.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 14:32 / #
Torq: Remember my words, in 10-12 years time there will be hardly any Poles in Ireland. However the number of people from other ethnic groups that I mentioned will be quite scary. It is going to be interesting to watch and see how it all develops. I think you are wrong. At present the poles are our largest minority and it needs to be tackled, a further 11,000 poles applied for PPS numbers in Ireland in the first five months of the year. They are still coming here. They do not belong here and they never will. Ireland for the Irish!

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,907 Joined: Apr 15, 09	Jun 21, 09, 14:49 / #
Barney: re: Plantation of Ireland How many people have been forced from their homes by Polish people? What laws have been forced upon Irish people by Poles? Your comparison with the plantations of Ireland is deeply insulting to the Irish nation let alone Polish people. What are you going to do next, draw parallels between the Famine and immigration? You may have an argument opposing migration lets hear it, but stop misrepresenting history. good point and the OP has a regular case of xenophobia.

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,272 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Jun 21, 09, 14:56 / #
RevokeNice: massive numbers of poles moving into areas and becoming the majority and completely changing the landscape if this is the case can you please give us links to all the housing developments which would be needed to cater for this so called plantation.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 15:06 / #
Wroclaw Are you not familiar with the Irish Property Bubble? The whole Irish economy was based on building cavity blocks from one end of the country to another. It is one of the main reasons why Fianna Fail, the mass immigration party, allowed free access of our labour market to eastern europeans. Their buddies needed cheap labour to build said cavity blocks and to live in them. It was a false economy and a myth that we needed anyone. Import people, and give them jobs to build houses for them to live in. Madness. All the while, the native Irish worker pays the social cost. Wages being driven down, conditions deteriorating, job displacement, not the mention the strain on the welfare bill, and mini Polands being created in every part of the country. Fianna Fail, the mass immigration party, are finished, They are on their last legs. My work is done in that respect. Now, my next challenge is to repatriate those involved in the present plantation of my country.

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,272 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Jun 21, 09, 15:16 / #
RevokeNice: Are you not familiar with the Irish Property Bubble I don't have enough knowledge on it to be able to debate it. And I'm not about to waste an afternoon at Wikipedia. However, I'll take what you say as correct... until someone gives an argument to the contrary.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 15:52 / #
Torq: I kinda feel sorry about you losing your job of toilet attendant to some poor Polish immigrant, but your xenophobic comments are not welcome, so why don't you feck off to the stormfront forum where you belong, you sorry excuse of a human being. I did not lose my job. I am happily employed. I am not into white nationalism and Neo Nazism so I will not go to Stormfront, a lot of poles seem to be,mind. Also, why are a lot of Poles so vulgar. I fail to see the need for it. The Irish people(66%) want stricter immigration controls on people from the accession states, are they xenophobic too? Of course not. An article here states that many migrants are staying on in Ireland even when becoming unemployed. There was a particular acceleration in the unemployment rate among immigrants for much of last year, especially among those from the eastern EU accession states, such as Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. A significant proportion who have lost their jobs are remaining here, according to new research. Mr Barrett says this could be explained by "market conditions abroad", but he has also said that "welfare entitlements" here may also be playing a role. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/racism-fears-rise-as-jobless-i ncrease-1782420.html

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 14:52 / #
Barney A plantation-An original settlement in a new country; a colony. That is what is happening at present in many parts of Ireland, massive numbers of poles moving into areas and becoming the majority and completely changing the landscape. The Polish Embassy in Ireland claims there is up to 500,000 poles here. There are 3,700,000 Irish citizens here. We will be a minority in our own land at this rate! I opposse plantations whether they be Protestant or Polish.

BarneyThreads: 14 Posts: 1,469 Joined: May 26, 08	Jun 21, 09, 15:05 / #
RevokeNice: I opposse plantations It’s always important to never let another idea get in the way of the one you have. You still haven't shown how the Polish presence in Ireland is detrimental to the country.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jun 21, 09, 15:36 / #
RevokeNice: poles are our largest minority and it needs to be tackled, a further 11,000 poles applied for PPS numbers in Ireland in the first five months of the year. They are still coming here. First of all, w*nker, if you write Ireland and Irish with capital letters then the same rule applies for Poland and Poles. I would reply to your post regarding PPS numbers but seeing as you're nothing more than a primitive troglodyte filled with hatred I really see no point in explaining anything to you. They do not belong here and they never will. Ireland for the Irish! I kinda feel sorry about you losing your job of toilet attendant to some poor Polish immigrant, but your xenophobic comments are not welcome, so why don't you feck off to the stormfront forum where you belong, you sorry excuse of a human being.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 16:04 / #
RevokeNice: I am not into white nationalism Oh, that's good to hear. So you won't mind when your country turns into a combination of China, Bangladesh and Nigeria. RevokeNice: The Irish people(66%) want stricter immigration controls on people from the accession states Of course they do. It's OK to milk the EU for over 30 years, receive huge European and American investments mainly because you're a member of EU, but when you have to do your part in supporting the new EU members by opening your work market then all the whining and moaning starts. Actually, I'd be more than happy if the 100 thousand Poles who currently live in Ireland came back to Poland, because we need young hard-working people and with time our economy will be strong enough to provide better jobs and opportunities for them. I would be even happier if all the Irish from all around the world came back to Ireland :) (except for the Irish in Poland, they're a decent lot and can stay here as long as they want to).

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 21, 09, 16:07 / #
RevokeNice: some uppity poles called for their language to be the official third language of my country. If that's true then any attempt to impose a third official language is wrong. As a Polish/American I can sympathize with you. It is surprising to hear the words "uppity" and "vulgar" when describing Poles. Generally speaking, Poles are considered to be 'good guys' and have one of the lowest (if not the lowest) crime rate in the U.S. As Winston Churchill once said; "Poles are just like the Irish, only more so."

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 16:08 / #
Torq Good then, so we agree. Repatriate the poles. You can join our campaign as many are now milking the labour system. I welcome any member of the 15 "old" european states to Ireland, as they do not move to Ireland in such vast numbers, unlike the eastern europeans. We also owe these people for accepting our people in to their countries during the famine, again, unlike the eastern europeans. We owe eastern europeans nothing, nada, zilch, feck all. They are no friends of the native Irish. ZIMMY I do not care what that fat foook thinks of Ireland or its people. We are in no way similar. Churchill sent the black and tans in to Ireland to exterminate local civilians during the War of Independence. He should have been sentenced for war crimes for that, not to mention Dresden.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 16:19 / #
RevokeNice You know what the best thing is? It's that Chinese, Nigerians, Hindu etc. will keep coming to Ireland and will eventually outnumber you (of course that will be long time after all the Poles come back home) and there's absolutely feckall you can do about it (except for spouting pish on Internet boards). :-)

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 16:23 / #
Torq If only you know. You have no clue what I do outside of this board. I am here to learn from my enemies perspective. If, and indeed when, the Indian,Nigerian,Chinese population in Ireland reaches similar levels of Polish immigration they will then feel my scorn too. As I said, I oppose all plantations.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Edited by: Ironside Jun 21, 09, 16:30 / #
RevokeNice: The Irish people(66%) want stricter immigration controls on people from the accession states, are they xenophobic too? Of course not. You should find a party or build one with program you deem right and then test it - election. You on the other hand come to PF claiming that immigration of Poles is a plantation - which is nonsense- and then blame Poles for going to Ireland, another nonsense. I'm sure given right circumstances you would emigrate to another country seeing it as opportunity. I fail to see sense of debating the issue on PF. To do something about immigration and other issues you should enter Irish politics it up to legal government of the Irish republic to solve it. And yes I think you feel threatened. As to about 2 millions Irish coming to Poland - as long as they were coming legally to work and possibly to stay I would welcome them. But I'm sure some idiots in Poland would have different views - most likely insecure and sorry individuals without knowledge and believe into the strengths of their native culture. I would be happy if all Poles come back to Poland!

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 16:30 / #
RevokeNice: I am here to learn from my enemies perspective. RevokeNice: they will then feel my scorn too LMAO RevokeNice: when, the Indian,Nigerian,Chinese population in Ireland reaches similar levels of Polish immigration It is already much higher. Only you have no official data, PPS numbers and so on, because they're there illegaly :) I usually don't waste much time on muppets like you but I find your recent posts mildly amusing. I changed my mind about your presence on this board. Please, keep posting - it's always good to have more comedians on board :)

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 16:38 / #
Ironside: You should find a party or build one with program you deem right and then test it - election. You on the other hand come to PF claiming that immigration of Poles is a plantation - which is nonsense- and then blame Poles for going to Ireland, another nonsense. Already done. I blame the government, they will be removed from power and resigned to history after the next general election. I am not worried about them anymore. Next we need to remove the eastern europeans as they are our largest minority and are becoming a burden on the state. The majority of whom are staying in Ireland and many are going on the dole. Yet, 11,000 more came in the first five months of this year alone. Probably ten times more than the whole Irish population of Poland! Torq The Polish community of Ireland and indeed the Polish embassy claims there are up to 500,000 Poles here. There is no way the 3rd worlders make up such numbers. Stop lying. You may laugh your ass all you want, the fact is the Irish people are now viewing the Polish planters as enemies. They had to fight against them for employement in the past, now they have to fight against them again to get a share of the social welfare. Ireland for the Irish!

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 21, 09, 16:42 / #
RevokeNice: Next we need to remove the eastern europeans as they are our largest minority and are becoming a burden on the state. The majority of whom are staying in Ireland and many are going on the dole. Yet, 11,000 more came in the first five months of this year alone. Probably ten times more than the whole Irish population of Poland! Good luck as long as it will be official policy of legal Irish government!

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 21, 09, 16:43 / #
RevokeNice: we need to remove the eastern europeans During the great Irish immigrations to the United States, many Americans felt the same way about the Irish, but it all worked out in the end.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 16:48 / #
RevokeNice: The Polish community of Ireland and indeed the Polish embassy claims there are up to 500,000 Poles here. And how do they know? You can only judge the number of Poles in Ireland by the number of PPS numbers issued and that's waaay below the ridiculous 500 thousand that you are talking about. Plus, a lot of people who received PPS numbers have already come back to Poland. Polish government gathers no exact data about Poles leaving the country so there's no way for Polish embassy to know how many of them are in Ireland. Stop lying. Provide credible links to support your ridiculous claims before you accuse someone else of lying. RevokeNice: Ireland for the Irish! I wholeheartedly agree - all Irish must come back to Ireland - as soon as possible!

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Edited by: RevokeNice Jun 21, 09, 16:51 / #
ZIMMY What does that have to with anything? Did the native Americans benefit from mass immigration to their country? No they did not. Ireland is an idigenous country with our own unique culture and traditions. America is a mish mash of nations and one hundred and fifty times larger than Ireland so of course it can absorb much more immigrants. You are not comparing like with like. Also, more Polish have emigrated to America over the centuries than Irish people. I am sick to death of Poles using this as an excuse for their presence in my country. "But you Irish went to America". Yes we did as we where being ethnically cleansed by "famine". Is there a famine in Poland? When my ancestors were eating grass and Poland was one of the wealtiest nations at the time, what did your ancestors do to help. Fooook all. I believe we should pay back that compliment by returning the favour. We owe Poles nothing. Do not believe media lies, we are not "friends". The Irish people have always oppossed foreign plantations. This shall be no different.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 17:20 / #
RevokeNice: more Polish have emigrated to America over the centuries than Irish people Wrong again, muppet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American - 36,495,800 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_American - 10,000,000 Ireland for the Irish! Bring the 36 million back home to Ireland where they belong!