Plantation of Ireland.

Torq:

do not take pleasure from exchanging insults on Internet foras but I will
not watch idly as some nutjobs talk crap about my fellow countrymen
working their arses off abroad to support their families and pay their mortgages.

[quote=Torq]Actually I do. I learned a lot about Irish history during my stay in your country
(mostly from your fellow compatriots) and as I stated many times before I have
a lot of respect and admiration for Ireland

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: ZIMMY Jun 21, 09, 17:48 / #
RevokeNice Did the native Americans benefit from mass immigration to their country? No they did not. Native Americans (Amerindians) were a diverse group who constantly fought each other, often in the most vicious manner. They were not 'benefiting' from each other and indeed, they didn't even use 'the wheel' among other things. RevokeNice: more Polish have emigrated to America over the centuries than Irish people. As has already been posted, your statement is wrong. Perhaps you need more information in other areas as well. RevokeNice: When my ancestors were eating grass and Poland was one of the wealtiest nations at the time, what did your ancestors do to help If you are referring to the Irish famine than you do need more information before you embarrass yourself further. During the mid 1800's in Ireland, the famine killed many Irish. During this same period Poland was still partitioned by 3 countries and was unable to help anyone let alone itself. During this period Poland was brutalized by Austria, Prussia (Germany) and Russia. RevokeNice: I believe we should pay back that compliment by returning the favour. We owe Poles nothing What compliment? (reread above comment).

moonlightThreads: 7 Posts: 115 Joined: Nov 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 17:52 / #
RevokeNice: Irish people please DO NOT speak on behalf of the Irish people, you are one person. I know plenty of Irish people who would disagree with everything you are saying and would be disgusted at your dribble!!! You speak as though you are of some importance, maybe so - but that does that make your opinion any more justified. I have friends from all areas - some with no jobs, some with very good jobs and all of them would think you are an arse. What they have in common is that they embrace change and approach it with a postive attitude, using it to enrich their life. If you look for the bad in everything you will find it. Keep going with your negative and restrictive views on life - you will never be happy - when you are bored with this argument you will move on to something else. You are wasting your time, do you really believe there is anything you can do about this?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 17:58 / #
Zimmy - the first quote in your post has my name in it. I didn't say that, please change it. Thanks.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 21, 09, 18:03 / #
Torq: the first quote in your post has my name in it. I didn't say that, please change it. Done! I was careless when quoting and obviously I was quoting our new Irish acquaintance.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jun 21, 09, 18:05 / #
ZIMMY: Done! Thanks a million! ZIMMY: our new Irish acquaintance lol There are so many different kinds of nutcakes on the Internet boards, it never ceases to amaze me :)

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Jun 21, 09, 18:13 / #
Im tired of the nonsense this man talks,

moonlightThreads: 7 Posts: 115 Joined: Nov 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 18:14 / #
irishdeano: Im tired of the nonsense this man talks, totally agree, could not deal with someone like this on a daily basis...

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jun 21, 09, 18:16 / #
RevokeNice: The Polish community of Ireland and indeed the Polish embassy claims there are up to 500,000 Poles here. I heard It's two million... :( RevokeNice: You may laugh your ass all you want, the fact is the Irish people are now viewing the Polish planters as enemies. Even If that was true... then what ? Looks like you are crazy enough to think that you will impress anyone here with this crap.

irishdeanoThreads: 11 Posts: 480 Joined: Oct 23, 07	Jun 21, 09, 18:24 / #
Grzegorz_: Even If that was true... then what ? Looks like you are crazy enough to think that you will impress anyone here with this crap. I've heard the odd guy complainting about it, most people i have heard never wanted to work a day in there life and they just like to complaint about something,

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 21, 09, 18:33 / #
irishdeano: I've heard the odd guy complainting about it, most people i have heard never wanted to work a day in there life and they just like to complaint about something, Well, I was told once by the Irishman from Republic (in his late forties) that young generation of Irish is in his words "stupid" as they had all handed on the silver plater !? What do you think?

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 18:34 / #
Torq: Most of my friends who worked abroad have already come back to Poland too and those who are still in Ireland plan to come back in 1-2 years time as soon as they save enough money or have their mortgages in Poland paid. Milking our economy dry and sending the money home. At least the Irish who immigrate to foreign shores spend within theat county and most of them stlle for life. Look at America, Austrailia etc. The poles have done nothing to support the economy here in Ireland....and they want their language to be recognised as third language !! Never

moonlightThreads: 7 Posts: 115 Joined: Nov 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 18:47 / #
Ireland32: Milking our economy dry and sending the money home. At least the Irish who immigrate to foreign shores spend within theat county and most of them stlle for life. Look at America, Austrailia etc. Oh come on, Irish people did send money home. I know with my family, most went to work in the UK and sent most of their wages home. Yes some will stay and create a future in these countries and the same will happen here too. - My friend is married to a Polish man, his family live here also and have no plans to move back home. Ireland32: The poles have done nothing to support the economy here in Ireland. So why is the economy feeling the effects from the ones who have gone home....houses not being rented....consumer buying down....etc. and yes its not all down to people leaving the country, but it is part of it. While here, they bought food, petrol,clothes, rented houses, used banks, paid taxes etc etc.... its a cycle..... they helped build this country in the boom times whether you like it or not - helped to line the pockets of the greedy Irish who took advantage of some ( and I know about this from first hand experience - I have dealt with so many people who were treated badly by employers - so its not a lie as was said in a previous post) Ireland32: and they want their language to be recognised as third language Most Irish don't even give a **** about their own language....how many can speak it?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Jun 21, 09, 19:16 / #
Torq: If they are here to work, pay mortgage, what is the point? I can't really answer that question. Why don't you ask your employees? Ireland32: Then don't quote it like your a son of Cromwell please. Son of Cromwell? Come on - I'm the biggest fan of Luke Kelly, John B. Keane and I still have my hurl with me - it will always remind me of the great time I spent in Ireland. Irelands patriot dead should be honoured for the sacrifices they made. Of course. There is no doubt about that. Respect. I think we can all agree that mutual respect between nations is a very important thing. I don't like threads like this one - they bring out the worst in people. However, I have to stand up for my country and my fellow compatriots. It's not a nice duty sometimes :(

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 19:22 / #
Torq Torq: Wrong again, muppet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American - 36,495,800 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_American - 10,000,000 Thats how many claim Irish ancestry. Proves nothing.

moonlightThreads: 7 Posts: 115 Joined: Nov 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 18:36 / #
irishdeano: most people i have heard never wanted to work a day in there life and they just like to complaint about something, People with too much time on their hands... also they need to justify why they are not working and will never admit its because they could not be arsed!

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 18:43 / #
Ireland32: The poles have done nothing to support the economy here in Ireland. Another muppet who writes Irish and Ireland with capital letters and poles with a small letter. Do you also talk with your mouth full and fart in closed rooms with other people around, or are there any rules of personal culture that you actually follow? Ireland32: and they want their language to be recognised as third language! Well, at least Poles all speak their native language. I can't say the same about Irish. You were owned by the Brits - killed, imprisoned, scorned and treated like animals, and what did you do? You started speaking their language, watching their TV and supporting their football teams. How disgusting.

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,102 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Jun 21, 09, 18:47 / #
Torq: and what did you do? You started speaking their language, watching their TV and supporting their football teams. How disgusting. And they are pink...

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Edited by: Ireland32 Jun 21, 09, 18:51 / #
Torq: Well, at least Poles all speak their native language. I can't say the same about Irish. You were owned by the Brits - killed, imprisoned, scorned and treated like animals, and what did you do? You started speaking their language, watching their TV and supporting their football teams. How disgusting. I have many friends who were killed as a result of the conflict in Ireland and I take that comment quite personal. What did we do? Do you know anything about Irish history you numb nut. How many Poles registered to vote in the recent local elections in Ireland.....very few as they are not concerned about our country. Like you said....here to pay the mortgage and smoke L & M's. Mo Chara, fuair se i do phipe as caith e.

moonlightThreads: 7 Posts: 115 Joined: Nov 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 18:57 / #
Ireland32: How many Poles registered to vote in the recent local elections in Ireland At my polling station there were 600 voters and about 120 were Polish and another 80 other nationalities, overall I believe there was a high turnout of non Irish voters.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 18:59 / #
Ireland32: Do you know anything about Irish history you numb nut. Actually I do. I learned a lot about Irish history during my stay in your country (mostly from your fellow compatriots) and as I stated many times before I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ireland. However, seeing as you were talking sh1te about Poles, I gave you some taste of your own medicine. I do not take pleasure from exchanging insults on Internet foras but I will not watch idly as some nutjobs talk crap about my fellow countrymen working their arses off abroad to support their families and pay their mortgages.

moonlightThreads: 7 Posts: 115 Joined: Nov 10, 08	Jun 21, 09, 18:59 / #
Ireland32: I have many friends who were killed as a result of the conflict in Ireland :( not nice

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Edited by: Ireland32 Jun 21, 09, 19:11 / #
Torq: do not take pleasure from exchanging insults on Internet foras but I will not watch idly as some nutjobs talk crap about my fellow countrymen working their arses off abroad to support their families and pay their mortgages. [quote=Torq]Actually I do. I learned a lot about Irish history during my stay in your country (mostly from your fellow compatriots) and as I stated many times before I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ireland For the record I am a manager in a company that employs over 80 polish workers here in Ireland, most of whom work hard and support their families.....but when they loose their job why stay in Ireland? If they are here to work, pay mortgage, what is the point? Then don't quote it like your a son of Cromwell please. Irelands patriot dead should be honoured for the sacrifices they made. Respect.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 19:16 / #
Respect Ireland32, good to see a fellow patriot on here.

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 19:24 / #
irishdeano: The sinn fein the south of ireland take nothing to with matters in the North, Untrue. We are one party with one leader. Policies in the north may differ from the south but the goal is the same.....a 32 county socialist republic. By the way...I am a nordie living in the south.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 19:26 / #
RevokeNice: Thats how many claim Irish ancestry. Proves nothing. Oh, so you have more credible source to prove that more Poles than Irish have emigrated to America?

Ireland32Threads: 2 Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 23, 09	Jun 21, 09, 19:29 / #
Torq: I can't really answer that question. Why don't you ask your employees? They are better of here than at home in Poland RevokeNice: Respect Ireland32, good to see a fellow patriot on here. I am merely entering the debate. It does not mean I agree with your views. There are alot of patriots in Ireland......armchair patriots. My views are my own personal beliefs. Freedom of speech. Something else we had to fight for in Ireland. The right to be heard.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 19:34 / #
Torq From the early 1800's to the beginning of World War II, approximately 5 million Polish immigrants came to the United States. The Poles fled their country for various reasons. Some emigrants left to escape conscription, others left to seek better opportunities in America, and some fled from religious persecution. http://nhs.needham.k12.ma.us/cur/kane98/kane_p3_immig/Poland/Polish.ht ml An investigation carried out in 1978 revealled that since 1820 over 4,723,000 people emigrated to the United States from Ireland. There you go.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Jun 21, 09, 19:39 / #
Revo given that Ireland 32 comes from Northern Ireland which is part of the UK, surely that makes him an immigrant? Should he be sent home?

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jun 21, 09, 19:42 / #
RevokeNice In that case, how do you explain the fact that almost four times as many people in USA claim Irish ancestry as Polish? RevokeNice: An investigation carried out in 1978 revealled that since 1820 over 4,723,000 people emigrated to the United States from Ireland. I'm sorry but I can't see the link (the one you provided is only about Polish immigration). Even if the numbers that you're providing are true then, comparing the populations of Poland and Ireland, one can see that Irish emigration was proportionally much higher than Polish.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09	Jun 21, 09, 19:42 / #
time means No, he was born in the partioned state, but is as Irish as anyone born in the south. To call him an immigrant is absurd.